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Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug
If you run PSO2 through Steam, does the overlay work to the extent that you can take screenshots with F12? I've been trying various programs to map printscreen to my controller and it appears to be a special key that software like that can't access, but I assume F12 is not.

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Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Samurai Sanders posted:

If you run PSO2 through Steam, does the overlay work to the extent that you can take screenshots with F12? I've been trying various programs to map printscreen to my controller and it appears to be a special key that software like that can't access, but I assume F12 is not.

Pretty much anything you add to Steam as a non-steam game and then boot from the interface will have the overlay. There's no reason it shouldn't work unless you're launching it through Tweaker, because you would be launching Tweaker through Steam and not PSO2.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
Yeah, that'll work fine. I used to do that and had it bound to backslash. On some systems Steam and GameGuard don't play nice, which is pretty much par for the course with that piece of poo poo.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

The White Dragon posted:

Pretty much anything you add to Steam as a non-steam game and then boot from the interface will have the overlay. There's no reason it shouldn't work unless you're launching it through Tweaker, because you would be launching Tweaker through Steam and not PSO2.
I can launch PSO2 without the tweaker? When I try just running pso2.exe, nothing happens.

Ardeem
Sep 16, 2010

There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.
So, as I'm nearing 70 on my main class, I'm becoming aware that at some point I should start throwing millions at Dudu and actually make some decent armor; are there any guides for this, or at suggestions for abilities to save and fuse over?

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
You have to boot it with a flag and environment variable. Dunno if it's changed since it was introduced in Ep2, but

code:
SET -pso2=+0x01e3f1e9
pso2.exe +0x33aca2b9

LiquidRain
May 21, 2007

Watch the madness!

Ardeem posted:

So, as I'm nearing 70 on my main class, I'm becoming aware that at some point I should start throwing millions at Dudu and actually make some decent armor; are there any guides for this, or at suggestions for abilities to save and fuse over?
There's an affixing simulator you can try using, but I have no goddamn clue how to use it.

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

kirbysuperstar posted:

You have to boot it with a flag and environment variable. Dunno if it's changed since it was introduced in Ep2, but

code:
SET -pso2=+0x01e3f1e9
pso2.exe +0x33aca2b9
Oh, I guess I'll try that tomorrow.

Also, I turned my mag into a red puyo some time ago, because I thought with a mag change device, I could change it back if I wanted. I bought one, but there's no previous form on list of things I can revert it to?

edit:

LiquidRain posted:

There's an affixing simulator you can try using, but I have no goddamn clue how to use it.
that reminds me, has anyone made a weapon crafting/damage simulator? Or are the damage models not well enough understood for that?

Samurai Sanders fucked around with this message at 10:47 on Oct 10, 2014

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Samurai Sanders posted:

Oh, I guess I'll try that tomorrow.

Oh yeah, just a reminder that if you do this you won't get the item translation injected because tweaker handles that.

As for your mag, change devices change it to a specific look (like the Red Puyo), then a change pass will give you a single change to something it's already been, though it seems that the third evolution form isn't on that list, and costs a fistfull of AC items to get ahold of.

Protocol 5
Sep 23, 2004

"I can't wait until cancer inevitably chokes the life out of Curt Schilling."

Ardeem posted:

So, as I'm nearing 70 on my main class, I'm becoming aware that at some point I should start throwing millions at Dudu and actually make some decent armor; are there any guides for this, or at suggestions for abilities to save and fuse over?

It kind of a complicated topic, and there are various conflicting opinions on what to do, but as far as basic rules of thumb:

Set effects=Good
Built-in Strike/Ranged Resistance=Good
Built-in HP/PP=Good

Which ones you want to use depend a lot on your build and budget, but anything from SH with the three above will get the job done. If you can't buy 10 star units from the shop, then hope you get lucky when Loser shows up, because otherwise they're a pain in the rear end to farm. Loser units are a solid option for pretty much anyone.

Affixing is much simpler. Unless you're a high roller, then you'll probably just want to shoot for your boss soul of choice and ATK Stat 3. Spirita 3 is also nice to have if you can afford to go to 3 slots, and Stamina 3 is decent if you're really flimsy. Some dudes rock crazy 6 slot units, but it's not really worth what it costs unless you're a whale.

NextTime000
Feb 3, 2011

bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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my biggest issue with steam overlay is if I am accessing the back two PAs/Techs on my Rifle/Launcher/Rod/Talis/Wand and I try to tab over to a different target :v:

Samurai Sanders
Nov 4, 2003

Pillbug

kirbysuperstar posted:

Oh yeah, just a reminder that if you do this you won't get the item translation injected because tweaker handles that.

As for your mag, change devices change it to a specific look (like the Red Puyo), then a change pass will give you a single change to something it's already been, though it seems that the third evolution form isn't on that list, and costs a fistfull of AC items to get ahold of.
I don't use the item translation patch; literally the only reason I use the tweaker is that it's the only working way to get update patches...right?

The thing about that list of forms is that there is only the red puyo on it, unless I am missing something.

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
You can still get patches through the official client using the old proxy method, but most stopped doing that even before the isp ban after that one patch deleted people's operating systems.

MR. J
Nov 22, 2011

Chuck and Fuck

NextTime000 posted:

my biggest issue with steam overlay is if I am accessing the back two PAs/Techs on my Rifle/Launcher/Rod/Talis/Wand and I try to tab over to a different target :v:

You know you can change the keypresses to open the overlay right? I use ctrl+tab for mine.

Captain Keene
Dec 20, 2012

NextTime000 posted:

my biggest issue with steam overlay is if I am accessing the back two PAs/Techs on my Rifle/Launcher/Rod/Talis/Wand and I try to tab over to a different target :v:

Holy poo poo you can tab through targets? Why am I only learning about this now?

So many wasted Namegids...

Surprise Noodle
Aug 25, 2011
Namegid is a little different from most techs in that once you have started casting it, switching targets will not move the in-progress Namegid to the new target. Before you start charging though, go for it. If you use a controller, right stick moves the target.


Regarding Steam overlay, be forewarned that for some people it will just refuse to work, even if you set it up correctly. It worked fine on my old computer, but on my new one, GameGuard won't even allow me to launch the game through Steam.

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

clean dogge
is a
happy dogge

LiquidRain posted:

There's an affixing simulator you can try using, but I have no goddamn clue how to use it.

It's pretty easy, really. Add panel to add a simulated affixing attempt. From left to right on a panel, it's Base Item To Be Affixed, Fodder 1 and Fodder 2. Just drag and drop from the list on the left to item you want it on. There's an option at the very bottom of the list for Junk which is any stat you're going to replace.

The simulator will tell you the % chance of success and the % above the DUDU IT! button is the overall chance of everything successfully affixing.

It's helpful to gauge what's good to affix with what, before you commit to it in game and flush millions of mesetos down the Dudu toilet.

NextTime000
Feb 3, 2011

bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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LiquidRain posted:

There's an affixing simulator you can try using, but I have no goddamn clue how to use it.

added that and a link to the es version of swiki(http://pso2es.swiki.jp/) to the OP

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

clean dogge
is a
happy dogge

NextTime000 posted:

added that and a link to the es version of swiki(http://pso2es.swiki.jp/) to the OP

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3660743&userid=174780#post435312794 <:saddowns:>

(I kid, it's good to have it in the OP finally, though!)

AndroidHub
Feb 28, 2007

I've seen some stuff that would really make you say "like what?"
I'm thinking about putting together a newbies guide to getting started in pso2, basically all of the stuff I wish I had known a month ago (like that there's a set I could have been using from almost day 1 that you get off the EP3 matter board, which is nearly as good as end game gear). Particularly since most of the guides out there (like a good number of the ones on Bumped.org) for basic things are way out of date, that said a lot of the guides on Bumped are still quite decent and could probably use links in the OP.

But I was wondering if people would want to write up some short guides on stuff I don't really know fully myself, such as the secrets of each time attack quest, what the various EQs are about and what you can get out of them that makes them worth doing (and which to use which boosts on), and some really basic cookie cutter builds for each class wouldn't go awry either (I only really have experience with ranger, and hunter to a lesser extent.) I guess they aren't nearly as complicated, but some quick rundowns of what you do in Advance and Extreme quests could be nice too. In any case the Guides section of the op is severely lacking.

Captain Keene
Dec 20, 2012
I could help put together some guides and advice for Force and Techer. I've got plenty of experience with nuker Force and buffer Techer, but somebody else would have to give input on a wand bonk build.

In other news, I participated in a Gigur Gunne-Gam rare trigger party last night. 16 runs and way too many tickets later and not a single unit to my name :smith:

NextTime000
Feb 3, 2011

bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Captain Keene posted:

I could help put together some guides and advice for Force and Techer. I've got plenty of experience with nuker Force and buffer Techer, but somebody else would have to give input on a wand bonk build.

In other news, I participated in a Gigur Gunne-Gam rare trigger party last night. 16 runs and way too many tickets later and not a single unit to my name :smith:

good news! you can relive that disappointment because I am putting together another run on Saturday for a friend of mine who isn't normally awake when people get together for these.

made a thread on psow to fill in the gaps if we don't have 12 http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222286

also I only have 525 casino coins so I need to get cracking on the mesetan shooter.

oh also it looks like one of the PSO-world people that signed up is Big Olaf, someone who has a bit of a "reputation" of commissioning porn of their character, most notably a henti game that was on newground's front page a while back. so we should do our job as goons and make preparations...

ThePhenomenalBaby
May 3, 2011

NextTime000 posted:

oh also it looks like one of the PSO-world people that signed up is Big Olaf, someone who has a bit of a "reputation" of commissioning porn of their character, most notably a henti game that was on newground's front page a while back. so we should do our job as goons and make preparations...

I see things have gotten interesting while I've been not playing

LiquidRain
May 21, 2007

Watch the madness!

I'm in depending on when, exactly, this is happening. That range is 3am-10am for me.

NextTime000
Feb 3, 2011

bweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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ThePhenomenalBaby posted:

I see things have gotten interesting while I've been not playing
This is fairly par for the course as far as he is concerned. I remember olaf doing stuff like that as far back as PSU.

LiquidRain posted:

I'm in depending on when, exactly, this is happening. That range is 3am-10am for me.

it is looking like it will be in the later section of that timeframe so far

dragon enthusiast
Jan 1, 2010
It's pretty par for the course for pso in general tbh

AndroidHub
Feb 28, 2007

I've seen some stuff that would really make you say "like what?"

NextTime000 posted:

good news! you can relive that disappointment because I am putting together another run on Saturday for a friend of mine who isn't normally awake when people get together for these.

made a thread on psow to fill in the gaps if we don't have 12 http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222286

Definitely count me in if you weren't already, RabidHound/Big Dad in-game.

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

clean dogge
is a
happy dogge

NextTime000 posted:


oh also it looks like one of the PSO-world people that signed up is Big Olaf, someone who has a bit of a "reputation" of commissioning porn of their character, most notably a henti game that was on newground's front page a while back. so we should do our job as goons and make preparations...

Yesssssss.

I have 1,500 coins atm, with a few more passes and of course the daily ones to come. Time to shoot mesetans.

Lenaway
Feb 8, 2006

Touch Fuzzy
Get Dizzy

NextTime000 posted:

good news! you can relive that disappointment because I am putting together another run on Saturday for a friend of mine who isn't normally awake when people get together for these.

I've still got my trigger, and I wouldn't mind getting those units before Ult hits so count me in.

sandorius
Nov 13, 2013

AndroidHub posted:

I'm thinking about putting together a newbies guide to getting started in pso2, basically all of the stuff I wish I had known a month ago (like that there's a set I could have been using from almost day 1 that you get off the EP3 matter board, which is nearly as good as end game gear). Particularly since most of the guides out there (like a good number of the ones on Bumped.org) for basic things are way out of date, that said a lot of the guides on Bumped are still quite decent and could probably use links in the OP.

But I was wondering if people would want to write up some short guides on stuff I don't really know fully myself, such as the secrets of each time attack quest, what the various EQs are about and what you can get out of them that makes them worth doing (and which to use which boosts on), and some really basic cookie cutter builds for each class wouldn't go awry either (I only really have experience with ranger, and hunter to a lesser extent.) I guess they aren't nearly as complicated, but some quick rundowns of what you do in Advance and Extreme quests could be nice too. In any case the Guides section of the op is severely lacking.

I had a quick look at the EP3 matter board and didn't see anything particularly impressive amongst the drops. Is it a drop off a story mission, or something like that?

Anyway, I just started this game a few days ago, and in case there are any other goons considering the plunge, here's what I've learned thus far.

-You switch subpalettes (which are your action bars) by opening your main palette (which is your weapon select) and then using your subpalette select. This is important if you want to use more than 10+3 abilities.

-You change blocks by running into the green teleporters. Blocks are lobbies where like-minded people hang out (theoretically, anyway). This is mostly important in forming a party when emergency quests come up, nobody is going to join you if you start a normal quest in a "Super Hard" block.

-Emergency quests happen every few hours on the hour. You absolutely want a party for these. I haven't really figured out what's going on in these, because most of the time I just tag along and blast spells at random bits of the enemy.

-Sometime around level 15 the game will point you towards crafting. "Extend Equipment" is pretty useful, it's been turning 200 T-Atk sticks into 500 T-Atk sticks. You need to take apart rare items for materials, though.

-Respeccing both your class skills and your pet robot take Actual Cash and so it is advisable not to gently caress it up. I use this class guide because the pictures are easy to understand. http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221527

Hope this helps! This is actually a really fun game.

InfinityComplex
Feb 5, 2011

Nothing better than swinging around a little girl like a flail.
Ep3-ch 1 is obviously the start of a new episode, but keep in mind you have access to it from the very start. Since it's accessible from the start, it's definitely geared towards lower level players.

Since ep 2 can only be accessed after ep1, the rewards are much more better than in ep 1. Also keep in mind that affix fodder is just as good as any other reward in the matterboards.

AndroidHub
Feb 28, 2007

I've seen some stuff that would really make you say "like what?"

sandorius posted:

I had a quick look at the EP3 matter board and didn't see anything particularly impressive amongst the drops. Is it a drop off a story mission, or something like that?

I'm talking about this it is the best general use set you will get short of endgame SH/EQ bosses and the like, and you can get and use it within the first 20 levels, I'm relatively sure it's the only units on the EP3 matter board and it comes with decent enough affixes on each piece. You might be confused because the set bonuses wouldn't show up, but once you are wearing all of the pieces you get 60 to all attack stats, 80 dex, and 25 pp, which is pretty significant. It's a baby version of the set you can get from SH gunne-gam (the thing people are clamoring to get in a trigger run for), the only difference being the defense stats and the equip requirements and a little less Hp (and maybe more pp accoding to cirnop?).

Other than that the rifle you get at the very end is decent, but takes something like 300 dex to equip which is double what the units take.

AndroidHub fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Oct 15, 2014

Saagonsa
Dec 29, 2012

sandorius posted:

I had a quick look at the EP3 matter board and didn't see anything particularly impressive amongst the drops. Is it a drop off a story mission, or something like that?

From what I've heard the 3 pieces of armor that drop for the matter board give the same bonus when they're all worn together as the 11* set that Gunne-Gam drops.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

The episode 3 units give 5 PP each when you have them equipped, plus 10 for having all three. Gigur Gunne-gam's units give 0 PP each, but 25 for having all three. What this means is if you're an absolute maniac PP cultist who hates having defense stats, you can extend Gunne-gam's units to get even more PP.

nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer

Dabir posted:

The episode 3 units give 5 PP each when you have them equipped, plus 10 for having all three. Gigur Gunne-gam's units give 0 PP each, but 25 for having all three. What this means is if you're an absolute maniac PP cultist who hates having defense stats, you can extend Gunne-gam's units to get even more PP.

To be fair, defense sucks.

Lenaway
Feb 8, 2006

Touch Fuzzy
Get Dizzy

sandorius posted:


-Respeccing both your class skills and your pet robot take Actual Cash and so it is advisable not to gently caress it up. I use this class guide because the pictures are easy to understand. http://www.pso-world.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221527

Hope this helps! This is actually a really fun game.

I just wanted to point out that they pass out "all skill tree reset passes" to everyone when they change a skill. So even if you mess up the first time, you're not screwed. Only way to fix a mag is to shell out some cash for AC, so be careful with your free one.

There is alot of minmax talk in this thread, don't let that stop you. The game is actually pretty forgiving. Just jump in and go on some space adventures.

Tengames
Oct 29, 2008


Dabir posted:

The episode 3 units give 5 PP each when you have them equipped, plus 10 for having all three. Gigur Gunne-gam's units give 0 PP each, but 25 for having all three. What this means is if you're an absolute maniac PP cultist who hates having defense stats, you can extend Gunne-gam's units to get even more PP.

unlesss you're a bouncer in which case you get a 10% def boost from extended units, which gives you a unit set you'll never have to replace since you can just keep upgrading it every time crafting updates increase the cap.

Mewnie
Apr 2, 2011

clean dogge
is a
happy dogge

NextTime000 posted:

oh also it looks like one of the PSO-world people that signed up is Big Olaf, someone who has a bit of a "reputation" of commissioning porn of their character, most notably a henti game that was on newground's front page a while back. so we should do our job as goons and make preparations...

:siren::nws::nms: http://bigolaf.tumblr.com/ :siren: Creepy fetishes, :spergin: and #NotAllGamers... prepare yourselves. Just don't stare into the abyss for too long.

Jowy
Dec 4, 2007

Jesus Christ, it's a Pyro!

Mewnie posted:

:siren::nws::nms: http://bigolaf.tumblr.com/ :siren: Creepy fetishes, :spergin: and #NotAllGamers... prepare yourselves. Just don't stare into the abyss for too long.

Hahahaha what the gently caress. I always had a feeling dude was kinda weird based on what I saw on PSOW but god drat.

Also I'm looking into actually leveling ranger now since my TE is 70 (wand bonking with braver sub rules, but king yede wands being outrageously pricy for a fire element one does not rule) but I barely know poo poo about it since I only played it very sparsely and mostly leveled it up via COs. Is Braver the new hot sub for it or is it something else, and are there any particularly stellar bossing PAs or general use ones I should keep an eye on, like Satellite Cannon/Divine Launcher? Since the ep 3 changes a lot of their PAs seem pretty decent but I have very little frame of reference since like I said, barely actually played the class so it's hard to tell.

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nerdz
Oct 12, 2004


Complex, statistically improbable things are by their nature more difficult to explain than simple, statistically probable things.
Grimey Drawer

Jowy posted:

Hahahaha what the gently caress. I always had a feeling dude was kinda weird based on what I saw on PSOW but god drat.

Also I'm looking into actually leveling ranger now since my TE is 70 (wand bonking with braver sub rules, but king yede wands being outrageously pricy for a fire element one does not rule) but I barely know poo poo about it since I only played it very sparsely and mostly leveled it up via COs. Is Braver the new hot sub for it or is it something else, and are there any particularly stellar bossing PAs or general use ones I should keep an eye on, like Satellite Cannon/Divine Launcher? Since the ep 3 changes a lot of their PAs seem pretty decent but I have very little frame of reference since like I said, barely actually played the class so it's hard to tell.

Satellite cannon is pretty drat great, don't ever use launcher on bosses.

Edit: To be honest I barely use launchers anymore. They should be good for mobbing in theory but gunslash PAs are so good now that a combo of gravity bomb+ein raketen is way more effective than any launcher PA I tried. Cosmos breaker was amazing until the nerf. They should have kept it as it was.

nerdz fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Oct 16, 2014

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