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PT6A posted:Well, this isn't how I wanted to hear about the US finally annexing Canada... I knew I was forgetting some odd exception. Regardless when I worked there it was explained the runways were inadequate for international travel. It's primarily a commuter airport
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Trabisnikof posted:To be clear, there is no greater chance of a random person getting Ebola in Texas than getting Ebola in New York. The few people at risk in Texas cannot spread Ebola and know exactly who they are and are in contact with public health officials. Correct. Pending further fuckups on the part of health providers/local officials it should remain contained. If it gets into the working poor population it might suddenly draw a huge distinction between places with safety nets and places without, but for now thankfully the bulk of the control systems are federalized by virtue of being at points of entry meaning Texas is pretty much safe. It's up to hospitals to detect and report, but that only becomes the case when someone gets through customs with an infection.
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PT6A posted:Well, this isn't how I wanted to hear about the US finally annexing Canada... How were you hoping to hear? We can probably arrange a post-hoc news conference. Maybe a Congressional resolution, but don't count on it.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Some signal intelligence I've seen has been tracking cases of this occuring. Ugh, I can barely imagine the conditions inside one of those containers once an infected person started firing out their various fluids. And can't even begin to imagine how you'd deal with a contaminated one full of human cargo upon discovery.
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My Imaginary GF posted:CDC and FEMA have emergency preparedness checklists available on their site. Follow them, get your flu shot, and you can consider yourself more prepared than 90% of other Americans. I'm in Canada  (so let us know when it's time to seal the US border). Thanks!
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ReidRansom posted:And can't even begin to imagine how you'd deal with a contaminated one full of human cargo upon discovery. Given the amount of fear around Ebola, I can imagine how it might go and it doesn't end well.
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Clipperton posted:I'm in Canada You guys won't even let us immigrate to your country. Good loving decision on your part, but bad for us.
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My Imaginary GF posted:
Can anyone actually vouch for the reliability of that bio surveillance site that I see posted about so often here? MIGF you've used it a lot, did you do any background check? Its a for profit consultation type of business as far as I can find that tries to look very professional but im not really impressed: The use of that weird IDIS classification system is saw copied here is not at all a standard classification and made me really curious: On the site I cant find any mention on who the "team" is supposed to be that produces these assessments. The only guy I can find info about on the site is the director jim or james wilson, who doesn't appear to exist on research gate ( a sort of biomedical research face-book)and of whom I cant find any publications in pubmed. He doesn't appear to have a PhD or even a specialisation in infectious diseases, by his own bio he's a paediatrician. Moreover, he's supposed to be the editor of "Journal of Operational Biosurveillance" which is not a existing indexed journal that I can find, and his other credentials are equally vague: the charity he is supposedly the founder and executive of "Praecipio International" doesn't exist. Furthermore, he's not connected to any academic universities or research institutes, but practices as a part of a small private firm in colorado. Not trying to slander, but so far this looks really bad as far as academic reliability goes in my opinion. As it stands, I would take anything they/he says with a modicum of salt, even if it only because he/they get paid to inform companies on the newest infectious scare. TLDR: why do we accept this site/person as an expert? IAMNOTADOCTOR fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Pohl posted:Oh hey, are you actually performing a genocide right before our eyes? Why the machete? This is unacceptable. Remember that the UN exists solely to keep the peace between the nuclear powers. The lack of unilateral authority is a design feature. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:TLDR: why do we accept this site/person as an expert? "Our fourth witness on this panel is James Wilson, chief executive officer and chief scientist of the Veratect Corporation. Prior to that, he was principal investigator at Project Argus and a member of the Department of Homeland Security's National Biosurveillance Integration System, NBIS, concept design review team, and the first chief of analytic operations at the National Biosurveillance Integration Center." http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-110hhrg46259/html/CHRG-110hhrg46259.htm At least the US gov seems to trust him somewhat FWIW.
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:TLDR: why do we accept this site/person as an expert? About page posted:Dr. Wilson was a Founder, Director, and the Chief Technical Officer / Chief Scientist of the Veratect Corporation in Seattle, Washington. He was the Founder and Principal Investigator of Project Argus, Chief of the Argus Research Operations Center, and Division Head of Integrated Biodefense at the Imaging Science and Information Systems Center, Georgetown University. He was the lead architect and Founder of the Biosurveillance Indication and Warning Analysis Community (BIWAC). He was a member of the Department of Homeland Security National Biosurveillance Integration System (NBIS) Concept Design Review team and the first Chief of Analytic Operations at the National Biosurveillance Integration Center (NBIC). He served as a senior advisor for biosurveillance on the National Library of Medicine’s Project Sentinel. Dr. Wilson has served as a Special Assistant to the Director for Weapons of Mass Destruction at the US Army Medical Research and Materiel Command Telemedicine and Advanced Technology Research Center (USAMRMC-TATRC), Ft. Detrick, Maryland; Visiting Scientist at NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center; consultant to NOAA’s National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service (NESDIS); and research team member of the World Health Organization Tai Forest Project on Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever. Also, he designed IDIS.  He has dealings through the Virginia Contracting AgencyAbout page posted:Dr. Wilson was the concept, development, and current operationalization lead for the new professional discipline of operational biosurveillance, which included the creation of the Wilson-Collmann and Wilson-Infectious Disease Impact Scales (IDIS). He led the creation of the Haiti Epidemic Advisory System (HEAS) following the 2010 earthquake and led multiple ground operations throughout the cholera disaster. The HEAS was the first operational instantiation of a comprehensive infectious disease forecasting center in the world. Dr. Wilson subsequently led the creation of the Ascel Bio SE Asia Regional Infectious Disease Forecast Station, which covers five countries with 30-60-90 forecasts for dozens of diseases. He then led the creation of the first National Weather Service-inspired infectious disease forecast station in US history, the Ascel Bio Black Canyon Forecast Station. The Station produced forecasts for over 70 diseases at the national and county-local level in the Western Slope of Colorado at 30 and 60 day pre-event intervals. Now the Station has evolved into the National Infectious Disease Forecast Center, providing operational forecasts for nearly 150 diseases. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:I think we'll learn from Spain soon enough. At which point the excuses will continue about how Spain isn't a real health care system and the US's is so much higher quality. Despite the fact that our cases so far haven't been handled particularly well - like sending home a patient with a 103* fever, ebola-like symptoms, and a travel history to outbreak zones, and then leaving more people in his dirty apartment for another half a week afterwards. Even before we get into the massive population without effective access to the medical system, etc. No True First-World Health Care System exists outside the US, The Greatest Healthcare System In the World. I don't even buy that a US region will be able to handle Flu Season with a non-trivial (>100 cases) concurrent ebola outbreak, really. Assuming there are cases originating from domestic infection, do we really have enough equipment to quarantine and treat everyone who comes in with the flu? Do we have enough testing capacity, tracing capacity, and so on? Remember that not getting contacts traced right away vastly blows up the amount of reproduction, can we do that for everyone who gets the flu? And I think there's enough potential disease reservoirs to make that plausible. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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I was sent home with a 103° fever last year caused by RSV. Is that a bad thing normally, or only in the context of "could be Ebola"?
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quote:At least the US gov seems to trust him somewhat FWIW. Yeah, but wasn't doctor Oz invited to something similar once as well? I'm really not sure what to think at this point. IAMNOTADOCTOR fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Helicity posted:I was sent home with a 103° fever last year caused by RSV. Is that a bad thing normally, or only in the context of "could be Ebola"? 103 is very, very high and a sign that you are extremely sick. that said, a temperature that high in and of itself is not something that needs to be managed.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Also, he designed IDIS. Yeah, and IDIS is not accepted by anyone else, should that be an indication of something? You just copy pasted the bio he has on his site. Which is demonstrably inaccurate or false as I posted. Do you want met to look into the other claims made there as well or do you have some serious credentials? Also what the hell is the Virginia Contracting Agency? Some subtext please for my tired brain.
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Pohl posted:I think it just shows how terrible our medical system is. How the hell do you kick someone out of a hospital when they have a 103 degree fever? We don't even have to discuss Ebola, we just have to wonder what they hell was the Dr. thinking? Well the family thinks it's because he's Liberian and not white according so Some Article I Read that I can't find.
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:Also what the hell is the Virginia Contracting Agency? Some subtext please for my tired brain. CIA/some sort of govt. intelligence, maybe? I don't know why you wouldn't just say that.
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:Yeah, and IDIS is not accepted by anyone else, should that be an indication of something? You just copy pasted the bio he has on his site. Which is demonstrably inaccurate or false as I posted. Do you want met to look into the other claims made there as well or do you have some serious credentials? http://blog.georgetownvoice.com/2009/08/01/georgetown-sues-former-employees-over-cia-project/
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:Also what the hell is the Virginia Contracting Agency? Some subtext please for my tired brain. Before he edited that post, the spoilered section was that he was linked to the CIA. I have no idea why he decided to be coy about it. If anything, that makes this person more suspect and less reliable, so I'm not sure why you would bring it out as evidence of someone's credentials.
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Tim Raines IRL posted:okay, so if it's not time to head for the hills just yet, what will the indicator be? This is very important, I'm enough of a 1637 people died today in the US because of heart failure. 1574 people died because of cancer. 378 respitory disease. 353 died due of stroke. A couple hundred due to accidents. If none of that had you running around like a jackrabbit on amphetimines before, maybe not freak out about something that won't ever affect you? Maybe?
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nut and outdoors enthusiast that if it were entirely up to me I'd already be in the boonies, but my wife can't work remotely and she's not enthusiastic about quitting her job just because I think the end of civilization is neigh.
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Ashcans posted:Before he edited that post, the spoilered section was that he was linked to the CIA. I have no idea why he decided to be coy about it. If you can't trust a project lead CIA contractor to get biosurveillance correct, who can you trust?
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Locus posted:I'm in Miami right now, and although I don't have any connections with the health care system, my impression of the city as a whole is that it's incredibly dysfunctional and uncoordinated. The income disparity here is brutal, and everyone above the lowest poverty level is living way beyond their means. Also a tropical climate, direct contact with every country that ebola is going to spill over into, and a handful of other horrible diseases scheduled to show up later on. On the plus side, we've got plenty of UV light, and 90% of the population is sealed inside of a Mercedes in traffic most of the day... As a man who has read a lot of Dave Barry, Ebola making it into Miami would be handled with such incompetence that it would be orders of magnitude worse than Dallas.
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Top Bunk Wanker posted:As a man who has read a lot of Dave Barry, Ebola making it into Miami would be handled with such incompetence that it would be orders of magnitude worse than Dallas. The US hospital system is not set up to handle an outbreak of anything unless the government gets involved. We have the money and the infrastructure, but they need to be pointed at an outbreak. The Texas case showed us how ugly it can be. If there are more Ebola cases the CDC will pretty much take things over, but the initial reports are going to be scary as gently caress.
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My Imaginary GF posted:If you can't trust a project lead CIA contractor to get biosurveillance correct, who can you trust? I'm sorry if you think that the CIA/DHS/DOD doesn't hire kooks in addition to actual experts. Remember the Behavioral Detection Program?
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Shageletic posted:1637 people died today in the US because of heart failure. 1574 people died because of cancer. 378 respitory disease. 353 died due of stroke. A couple hundred due to accidents. I'd expect people to freak out if those statistics grew exponentially too.
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Helicity posted:I was sent home with a 103° fever last year caused by RSV. Is that a bad thing normally, or only in the context of "could be Ebola"? Yeah 103° is one of those threshold-of-lasting-damage fevers. You get much higher than that and they will be putting you in an ice bath before you can say bleh. I guess they took a look at some other vitals and determined you weren't about to go into a coma or anything so they sent you home (I assume they gave you meds) and scheduled a followup. I hit 104° once as a kid and I was thrown in the car before the thermometer hit the counter. Mom was a medical assistant at the time so she wasn't going to gently caress around. ER doc put icepacks all over and there I reclined, freezing my rear end off and feeling like poo poo while orderlies kept taking my temp. I wasn't kept overnight or anything but there was ibuprofen and lots of attention involved. Maybe as an adult they trusted you to show back up if the fever didn't break soon or something because 103 isn't a fever you just get bed rest and chicken soup for unless you're uninsured, of course, which makes this Ebola poo poo a little scary but only in that it could get bad if it got out of control. FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:If you can't trust a project lead CIA contractor to get biosurveillance correct, who can you trust? The IDIS Cat 7 in pockets at least seems legit as it appears all social cohesion is starting to collapse in Liberia. Still haven't heard anything more about this Colombia hints though.
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I guess this is new. 8 News NOW is investigating reports that passengers on a plane headed to Las Vegas were exposed to Ebola virus. http://www.8newsnow.com/story/26757425/breaking-news-plane-quarantined-at-mccarran-airport
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Zoodpipe posted:I guess this is new. At least it seems like 2 black people sneezed this time.
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Shageletic posted:1637 people died today in the US because of heart failure. 1574 people died because of cancer. 378 respitory disease. 353 died due of stroke. A couple hundred due to accidents. None of those are contagious. Apples and oranges.
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My Imaginary GF posted:If you can't trust a project lead CIA contractor to get biosurveillance correct, who can you trust? The CDC/WHO/ECDC, or am i supposed to accept he has no scientific credentials because he's 007 / a man that stares at goats? Okay then lets see what else there is to find about his credentials: quote:Wilson was a Founder, Director, and the Chief Technical Officer / Chief Scientist of the Veratect Corporation in Seattle, Washington. Veratect was a corporation that data mined the internet for reports on infectious diseases, hired a pr company to stress how they were the hot new thing in detecting the swine flu pandemic (1), received lots of PR attention and venture capital but went bankrupt after the swine flu scare ended (2). Sources 1 http://www.communiquepr.com/clients/veratect-public-relations 2 http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/techflash/2010/03/disease_tracker_veratect_on_life_support_looks_for_a_buyer.html quote:He was the Founder and Principal Investigator of Project Argus, Chief of the Argus Research Operations Center, and Division Head of Integrated Biodefense at the Imaging Science and Information Systems Center, Georgetown University. A you just posted, project Argus again was another aggregator of social media and internet data that was funded by a CIA grant to monitor "health and civil unrest". To me, sounds a lot like the protocols written to use facebook to predict the riots in egypt. Total number of publications resulting from this nominal work? 0 EDIT: because im bad with research gate, this should be 1. Total dick move: he still held on to the IP that was produced while working at the Georgetown university. A big no no in research. Four of the others did assign the patent rights to the university, but of our boy James is to much of a spy master to do this. To be clear, the patents are NOT with the CIA. IAMNOTADOCTOR fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Oct 10, 2014 |
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Berke Negri posted:The IDIS Cat 7 in pockets at least seems legit as it appears all social cohesion is starting to collapse in Liberia. Still haven't heard anything more about this Colombia hints though.
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:The only guy I can find info about on the site is the director jim or james wilson, who doesn't appear to exist on research gate ( a sort of biomedical research face-book)and of whom I cant find any publications in pubmed. While I agree that styling one-self as editor of a non-existant journal is shady as gently caress (loving buy your vanity journal, Elsevier is happy to sell you one), here is his research gate entry, with 4 publications: https://www.researchgate.net/researcher/10341396_James_M_Wilson
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If you want a research citation, try Am. J. Trop. Med. Hyg., 71(5), 2004, pp. 664-674 First one that popped up. E: Grim Up North posted:While I agree that styling one-self as editor of a non-existant journal is shady as gently caress (loving buy your vanity journal, Elsevier is happy to sell you one), here is his research gate entry, with 4 publications: https://www.researchgate.net/researcher/10341396_James_M_Wilson The journal exists. It may be a bit complicated to locate.
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Zoodpipe posted:I guess this is new. "Delta flight #495 from John F. Kennedy Airport landed at McCarran International Airport at approximately 10:55 a.m. this morning and was subsequently quarantined at the gate after reports that a passenger who had recently traveled in Africa vomited on board the aircraft. Clark County Fire Department, the Centers for Disease Control and the Southern Nevada Health District have responded. After a thorough assessment, it has been determined that the affected passenger does not meet the criteria for Ebola." https://www.facebook.com/mynews3/posts/730408560346889
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IAMNOTADOCTOR posted:A you just posted, project Argus again was another aggregator of social media and internet data that was funded by a CIA grant to monitor "health and civil unrest". To me, sounds a lot like the protocols written to use facebook to predict the riots in egypt. Eh, at least it seemed to work somewhat: quote:Results:
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Grim Up North posted:While I agree that styling one-self as editor of a non-existant journal is shady as gently caress (loving buy your vanity journal, Elsevier is happy to sell you one), here is his research gate entry, with 4 publications: https://www.researchgate.net/researcher/10341396_James_M_Wilson Thanks, I'm apparently bad and wrong with research gate searching and I apologize to mister Wilson for missing him Total impact factor: 6.11. Total impact factor for a standard PhD candidate after 4 years of research: 20-40.
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