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REAL MUSCLE MILK posted:and also I am ridiculously surprised that...they're going to be outnumbered? It fits the Horus Heresy books, certainly: the Army grunts are there to mop up after the Legions do most of the fighting. This is not the Imperial Guard, it seems - these are space marines in lower case.
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Well, in the context of the tabletop game, they're going to be fighting...actual Space Marines, I guess. So it's bizarre to me they're going to be outnumbered. Either way I am loving pumped for that book.
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Oct 11, 2014 20:34
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Oct 11, 2014 21:24
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Here's a blog post with more info about the FW seminar: http://the-responsible-one.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/warhammer-fest-day-1-afternoon-forge.html
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Oct 11, 2014 21:27
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As big old modeling warham I am pretty excited for a HH Model Masterclass book.quote:There was a mention that some of the Loyalist forces have gone mad, others are engaging in revenge attacks to worlds that have allied or even capitulated to Horus, and others are waging a guerrilla war. This is really cool. I like how they are making the conflict a less black and white. I hope they do something simliar with the Traitor Legions- units that start to regret their actions and begrudgingly are forced to follow their orders or something.
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Oct 11, 2014 21:36
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Boon posted:So what's the general consensus on Dark Eldar? They can work as an ally force to Eldar; Webway Portals are really good and available to all their HQs, though the HQs themselves are somewhere between mediocre and acceptable. A handful of units (Scourges, Grotesques, Razorwings) are pretty alright, most others are fairly meh, a few (Wyches, Wracks, Voidraven) are quite bad. It's playable as a fairly casual book, though it will suffer from basically all of the exact same problems it has had for two editions running now, but in a competitive sense it is pretty dead in the water. Seems to be continuing the 7E trend of removing unique special rules and paring down options for most all codices.
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Finished Mortarion. Hopefully I'll get Vulkan done before Curze is out so I can finally be caught up. More pictures here http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3210214&pagenumber=1212#post436109606
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AbusePuppy posted:They can work as an ally force to Eldar; 6 degrees of
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Oct 11, 2014 22:18
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The idea of squads going mad is awesome. I do love how the books convey the depth of the betrayal - the mere idea a marine could go bad is essentially unfathomable. Did the books touch on the missing legions? I haven't read them all.
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Oct 11, 2014 22:40
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The Dark Eldar codex gave Eldar players access to deep-striking open topped transports.
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Oct 11, 2014 22:45
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The missing legions are briefly touched on in The First Heretic, where Word Bearer elite mention how Lorgar was devastated by whatever happenend to them. Later, the primarch brings them up to Magnus, and is told to keep his oath of silence regarding them. Later -still-, during a vision of the past, the same Word Bearer elite guys see one of the missing primarchs in his gestation tube on Terra, and ponder openly about killing him then and there to avoid all the mess that followed. One mentions that doing so would also substantially cut into Ultramarines recuitment, hinting that whatever Astartes that survived the purge (or their geneseed) were pressed into the 13th legion.
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Oct 11, 2014 22:48
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Rulebook Heavily posted:The Dark Eldar codex gave Eldar players access to deep-striking open topped transports. I'm thinking a deep-striking Wave Serpent is more impressive. Deep strike, D-Scythes step out and flame something while Wave Serpent unloads a shield into the back of another vehicle...
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Oct 11, 2014 22:53
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Sephyr posted:Later -still-, during a vision of the past, the same Word Bearer elite guys see one of the missing primarchs in his gestation tube on Terra, and ponder openly about killing him then and there to avoid all the mess that followed. One mentions that doing so would also substantially cut into Ultramarines recuitment, hinting that whatever Astartes that survived the purge (or their geneseed) were pressed into the 13th legion. It's also briefly mentioned in Prospero Burns - it's heavily alluded that the Space Wolves destroyed the lost legions.
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Oct 11, 2014 23:08
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Thinking about DE allies I've come up with this: Eldar Combined Arms Detachment HQ Spiritseer Elites x6 Fire Dragons - Exarch w/ Fast Shot Wave Serpent - Fast Shot - Holofield Troops x5 Dire Avengers Wave Serpent - Fast Shot - Holofield x5 Dire Avengers Wave Serpent - Fast Shot - Holofield x5 Wraithguard - D-Scythe Wave Serpent - Fast Shot - Holofield Heavy Support Wraithknight Wraithknight - Suncannon - Scatter Laser Dark Eldar Allied Detachment HQ Archon - Webway Portal Troops x9 Kabalite Warriors Raider - Nightshield - Disintegrator Fast Attack x5 Scourges - x4 Haywire Blaster TOTAL: 1999 Points The Archon/Spiritseer can join either the Fire Dragons or the D-Scythes in Deep Strike reserve. When they come on, no scatter, disembark they are placed where they can hit the most units. The Spiritseer can Psychic Scream a unit, the D-Scythes can erase another unit, while the Wave Serpent can hit another. Fire Dragons can operate the same way. It seems pretty devastating in theory and incredibly flexible. Boon fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Oct 12, 2014 00:03
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I'd love to see Chaos Sicaran rules now... IA 13 looking to be a must buy for CSM players. And I can pull my renegades that 7th chucked in the bin out and start working on them again.
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Oct 12, 2014 00:37
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krushgroove posted:
Oh I've already read through it and played with it. I'm curious to know other Chaos players opinions. In particular on the flyers rules. Thanks for sharing the pics. I'll put up a bunch from the BL event in Nov
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krushgroove posted:Mandrakes are actually worth taking now What's different about them? My homeboy plays DE and he's always wanted a set and I want to get him some + the new codex for his birthday. It'll be nice if he can actually use them now.
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Crowleraptor posted:I'd love to see Chaos Sicaran rules now... Reaper Accelerator Autocannon S7 AP4 Heavy a billion
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Reaper Accelerator Autocannon Does that differ in any way from the standard pattern auto-cannon on a Sicaran? (Heavy 6, twin linked, rending, target locked or something - blah ignores jink) Because it sounds worse :p
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Oct 12, 2014 02:00
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Probably not wiped out. I imagine their primarch would have been taken out by the wolves and the rest of the legion was folded into the Ultramarines. There's a part in the HH serious (I forget the book) where Perterabo is talking to some captain about the trials that the primarchs have to go through on terra and he suggests that one failed. I dont think both of the missing legions went traitor or pissed off the Emperor in some way. Maybe there was a primarch who was more hosed up than Angron who just couldn't hack the primarch life that the Emperor envisaged.
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Oct 12, 2014 02:10
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I got this guy from box to this in about 5 hours.  And with that, my Renegade open list is now fully painted and WYSYWIG. 2 Hive Tyrants with wings, devourers, electroshock grubs, one has Hive Commander 30 Termagants, 15 of which have devourers 1 Tervigon with electroshock grubs 2 Exocrines 1 Crone 1 Malanthrope 1 Knight Paladin In prep games it has been highly successful. Now I just need to test it against Naramyth to see if it's legit.
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Oct 12, 2014 02:16
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hey gently caress you man it took me like 6 hours to half assemble this land raider before giving up
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Big Willy Style posted:Probably not wiped out. I imagine their primarch would have been taken out by the wolves and the rest of the legion was folded into the Ultramarines. It'd be kind of neat if over the HH series, they drop a couple hints of differing reasons as to why the two lost primarches are missing/lost/whatever, but in such a way that you can never be sure which reason is the true one. Add to the whole mystery of their disappearance.
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Crowleraptor posted:Does that differ in any way from the standard pattern auto-cannon on a Sicaran? (Heavy 6, twin linked, rending, target locked or something - blah ignores jink) a billion > 6
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So, Solar Auxilia aren't quite as close as I expected, so I figured I'd add to my Death Guard. I already have a Typhon in my list, and I was thinking of something cheap points-wise to escort it in. I was thinking 3 predators with either the normal guns and lascannon sponsons, or executioners with heavy bolter sponsons. Anyone have any advice one way or the other? Alternatively, I could remove the Typhon altogether and bring a Spartan to deliver my Praetor/Deathshroud, but that feels like a lot of points to not really do a whole lot.
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Master Twig posted:I got this guy from box to this in about 5 hours. Twig, I really like the way you do tyranid flesh. It reminds me of The Thing, all veiny and ooky.
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Ignite Memories posted:Twig, I really like the way you do tyranid flesh. It reminds me of The Thing, all veiny and ooky. Thanks. It's a really easy and lazy method too. Prime white, wash heavily with Carroburg Crimson, then dry brush on screaming skull. Detail as necessary.
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Crowleraptor posted:I'd love to see Chaos Sicaran rules now... It'll be just like the regular Sicaran, but can't take sponsons, doesn't ignore Jink, and has Hatred (Space Marines.) Chaos is fickle! Babe Magnet posted:What's different about them? The big thing is they traded the 5++ save for Stealth/Shrouded and their special shooting attack is now useable all the time (rather than only when they have a pain token.) They're still not amazing, but they're actually fairly respectable overall now and they are fairly though to get rid of for anything that doesn't have Ignores Cover. Being naturally S4 doesn't hurt, either.
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I'd say the biggest thing about Mandrakes is that their annoying as poo poo, considering 3 are like 32 points and have all kinds of special rules. I actually really like the Dark Eldar codex, and the supplement, I think they finally got it right if not for the price tag. A lot of people complained about not being able to take Wracks as troops and there are basically super Formations of Wracks from the Haemy Coven codex and they're all disgustingly good. It's even got a formation thats 6 HQ and 6 Elites and Heavy support where you can only take Haemy, Wracks, Ravagers , Grotesques, Talos, Chronos, Raider and Vyper. Still 6 HQ 6 Elites 4 H. Support That's pretty insane considering every single Haemy can take a Webway portal. Hollismason fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Slimnoid posted:It'd be kind of neat if over the HH series, they drop a couple hints of differing reasons as to why the two lost primarches are missing/lost/whatever, but in such a way that you can never be sure which reason is the true one. Add to the whole mystery of their disappearance. Malcador was one, a primarch who didn't develop the superhuman size and strength parts of the gig in the tube properly, which is why the other primarchs treated him as an equal despite not apparently being one 
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NTRabbit posted:Malcador was one, a primarch who didn't develop the superhuman size and strength parts of the gig in the tube properly, which is why the other primarchs treated him as an equal despite not apparently being one  I'm pretty sure he was just a really powerful psyker and hung out with the Emperor a bunch. He was with the Emperor way before the primarchs were even made.
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Safety Factor posted:
I was speculating, because it'd be cool if Malcador was the Primarch's runty malformed brother who finally proved his worth over all of them at the end, especially Horus who used to pick on him.
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Yeah Malcador is like...really, really old.
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Hollismason posted:I'd say the biggest thing about Mandrakes is that their annoying as poo poo, considering 3 are like 32 points and have all kinds of special rules. I actually really like the Dark Eldar codex, and the supplement, I think they finally got it right if not for the price tag. I don't think that you can get Ravagers in the Coven FoC; it's basically just the "fleshcrafted" units, i.e. a bunch of melee guys and their transports. The formations in the Coven list are... eh, some of them are okay, some of them less so. "Five Talos with Scout" seems fairly alright, and "Talos + Chronos + Haemo as a single unit" has a lot of potential, since you can give a WWP to the Haemonculus there and bring them all down somewhere inconvenient. Most of the others are a lot less impressive, though, and unlike the Ork book I don't think the supplement really solves any of their big problems when taken as a whole.
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30k list chat So, here's what I'm thinking about for 3k point Death Guard. HQ (Pride of the Legion) Praetor + Cataphractii terminator armor + master-crafted power fist + digital lasers 175 points Elites Contemptor Dreadnought Talon Dreadnought A: Kheres assault cannon + heavy flamer 200 points Dreadnought B: Kheres assault cannon + heavy flamer 200 points Troops Legion Cataphractii Terminator Squad + 5 terminators + 10 power fists + 8 volkite chargers + 2 plasma blasters 461 points Legion Cataphractii Terminator Squad + 5 power fists + heavy flamer 210 points Legion Cataphractii Terminator Squad + 5 power fists + heavy flamer 210 points Heavy Support Grave Warden Terminator Squad 200 points Grave Warden Terminator Squad 200 points Legion Predator Strike Armour Squadron Predator A: Heavy bolters + Executioner 130 points Predator B: Heavy bolters + Executioner 130 points Predator C: Heavy bolters + Executioner 130 points 390 points Lords of War Typhon Heavy Siege Tank + lascannons 390 points Now, this leaves me with around 350 points. Right now, I run a 7-man Deathshroud unit (almost entirely for fluff purposes), but that's a lot of points on a mediocre unit. I could squeeze in another Typhon (sans sponsons), but that doesn't really help me do anything I can't already do. I could also fit in 2-ish more Contemptors.
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AbusePuppy posted:I don't think that you can get Ravagers in the Coven FoC; it's basically just the "fleshcrafted" units, i.e. a bunch of melee guys and their transports. The formations in the Coven list are... eh, some of them are okay, some of them less so. "Five Talos with Scout" seems fairly alright, and "Talos + Chronos + Haemo as a single unit" has a lot of potential, since you can give a WWP to the Haemonculus there and bring them all down somewhere inconvenient. Most of the others are a lot less impressive, though, and unlike the Ork book I don't think the supplement really solves any of their big problems when taken as a whole. You're right it is just the Venom (why'd I say vyper) and Raider that's allowed for the 6HQ 6 Elite. I dunno, that one with the Wracks that Deep Strike turn one and give D3 Victory points for getting a first blood is really good. Plus the one where it's like a bunch of them getting to count the turn higher than it is also, pretty good. Plus all of the formations are Fearless. That's pretty nice. I dunno I thought it was good book.
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The problem with the "Deep Strike and First Blood" one is that it's not actually very good at getting First Blood. 24 poison shots is only ~3 dead Marines (or ~8 dead Guardsmen if they have 4+ cover), which probably isn't going to be destroying anything particularly easily. And even when it works, 33% of the time you still get no bonus (because of d3). Basically, it's an investment into otherwise-mediocre units (Wracks) that might possibly get you something, but probably won't. The stuff in the Coven book isn't terrible or anything, it just suffers from the same problem the DE book does in general- it doesn't really offer many options and has no real solutions to the main problem its units have (which in this case is that they mostly don't have much killing power.) As I said, there's a couple pretty decent formations in there and if you're in a format where you aren't limited to two detachments then they get a lot better (since you can spam out a bunch of the Talos/Chronos/Haemo one and back it all up with an Autarch and some AT shooting from a Realspace Raiders detachment), but I honestly think it's weaker than the SoB book from a purely competitive perspective, and that's not good news.
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Had a fun game tonight with Von Humbolt, was a 2v2 me and another tyranid player vs him playing chaos and an ork player. He wanted to try Last Stand from stronghold assault so we whipped together 1500 lists each and went at it. (Disclaimer, I'm bad at batreps but I wanted to share) Tyranid Deployment   Mine are the painted ones and those bright rear end red raveners. Per misson the attackers deployed first.  Defenders deployment While they siezed, all they managed to kill was a single termagaunt since both armies had short ranged fire and the automated battlecannon wiffed with like an 8" scatter. The Tyranid onslaught.   My flyrant rolled 4 sixes in a row to 1 shot the automated battlecannon. It was beautifull, but karma is a bitch. The other tyranid players crones dumped all of their tentaclid fire into the middle bunker, causing it to collapse and kill 2 of the flash gitz inside. Turn 2 the ork player's bike blob comes on, headed by the forgeworld bikerboss and his tracktor cannons, as well as Von Humbolt's Daemon princes. Going back to the flyrant, warpstorm comes up with the "Make a LD test on 3D6 or your psyker turns into a herald" result. Needless to say he blinked out of existence in a spray of blood. I was less than thrilled about this. Their shooting phase brings down one of the crones. The tracktor guns bring another crone down 2 wounds, and various others brings the other tyranid flyrant down to 1. With miraculous grounding checks everything stays flying. The Mawloc Cometh.  All 3 of his mawlocs come in, one killing one of the bikers, the other killing several boyz. #3 just got in the way of things. After a very unexciting shooting phase, the termagaunt unit makes their charge into the herald, but the big ones is the 10" charge from the stonecrushers into the bike blob, killing several on impact, and finishing up the rest of the unit after the 2 wounds the boss puts out.   (I just really like how this one turned out and this is just an excuse to show it off)  Raveners made their charge and killed about half the boyz, only losing one in return. Following phases lead downhill quickly, with the stonecrushers crushing a bastion, raveners murdering the backfield until..  Surprise Gorkanaught coming in from reserve and blowing away half the unit. They decided to concede there however. Was a fun game, dunno how I feel about that for a mission though.
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Sweet battle report. Any advice on how to fix this? I was too excited with spraying and beginning painting to notice it's bent... Boiling water?? Haven't worked much with resin. 
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