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Ultigonio posted:It is, but his point was that it wasn't present in Sunshine. If you are using the jet nozzle, and running really fast, and then jump, i think that counts.
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Not in the FLUDD-less levels, which are the only place you'd ever need a long jump, anyway.
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Oct 12, 2014 05:28
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I missed the long jump in Sunshine, but being able to hop on your stomach repeatedly to move quickly, as well as being able to create a water slide wherever you go more than made up for it.
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Oct 12, 2014 05:58
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The Colonel posted:I agree with whoever said Rayman 2 was the best, though. Rayman 2 is, and always will be, the best. Yeah, Rayman 2 is reaaaally loving good. Better than it has any right to be.
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Oct 12, 2014 06:04
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Rayman 2, Donkey Kong 64, Jet Force Gemini, and Rocket:Robot on Wheels (the studio that would later make Sly Cooper) all came out in Fall 1999. It was a very good few months for twelve year old me.
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Oct 12, 2014 06:19
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Super Mario 64 is utter garbage and the DS port is the only version even worth touching (somehow has analog support if you put it in your 3DS). Sunshine is far superior because it has more of a "Mario" feel than generic 39 year old short dude in green smeared poo poo land.
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Oct 12, 2014 06:34
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absolutely anything posted:I think Banjo-Kazooie is steal real good and for the most part holds up (except notes resetting (they fix this in the XBLA version THANK GOD)). What was so bad about Tooie?
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Oct 12, 2014 06:38
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Super Mario 64 is utter garbage and the DS port is the only version even worth touching (somehow has analog support if you put it in your 3DS). No it doesn't, you still have to press Y to run, and even with the slidepad it controls awkwardly, since it's rigid eight-direction movement.
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Oct 12, 2014 06:40
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I bought a 2ds a month ago and tried mario 64 with it - the circle pad is an improvement but it is still awkward as hell to use. The whole joy of Mario 64 is those silky smooth, infinitely controllable set of moves. And the DS port takes that away. Then again, I've never played Psychonauts, despite it sitting on my 360 hard drive for years. So I'm clearly an idiot.
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Oct 12, 2014 06:43
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greatn posted:Too much collecting poo poo, not enough bosses(neither does M64 either but i think it actually still has more), too many attempts at humour that fall flat, and some really bullshit segments like the SS Grunty engine room and randomly generated quiz answers knock it down a few pegs but yeah its pretty much peak N64 platformer. Tooie can go to hell though. the bosses weren't that great (aside from the final one which was pretty good) and they sucked mostly in Mario 64 so I'm glad that they put their energy and time into making things that are fun to play instead of bosses. The other perfect games are Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Metroid Prime, and Punch Out. Thank you for your time. E: Sly Cooper 2 and 3 and Resident Evil 4 all come close
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Oct 12, 2014 06:48
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It's good that there's no long jump in Sunshine, because it completely broke the challenge in 64 and moreso in Galaxy. I replayed the Galaxy games and idk if I even died once on the non-wiimote gimick levels.
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Austrian mook posted:It's good that there's no long jump in Sunshine, because it completely broke the challenge in 64 and moreso in Galaxy. I replayed the Galaxy games and idk if I even died once on the non-wiimote gimick levels. The ease of general gameplay in both 64 and Galaxy has a lot less to do with the existence of the long jump and a lot more to do with the level design and the way the long jump interacts with the level design. With the long jump in 64 and especially Galaxy, the long jump not only carries you a far distance, but also offers the player a surprising amount of control over its speed, despite the fact that the player is forced to move forward until landing. In Galaxy, this combines with the spin jump and the game's general floatiness to offer the player multiple ways to both cross huge gaps and prevent themselves from falling into whichever abyss (if there even is one) to pretty effectively remove difficulty from the majority of the game. In 64, it's more to do with the fact that very few levels have bottomless pits, and 64 has a very forgiving health system. Sunshine has several courses that are more bottomless pit than they are platforming, and while I can certainly imagine that the long jump would make these sections easier, I think they'd still be pretty tough. They'd likely be less frustrating as well, since you'd have an option for long-jumping that wouldn't leave you sliding into the great beyond. Whoever picked out that avatar for you is a genius, it really amplifies your posts. Ultigonio fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Oct 12, 2014 07:17
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Ultigonio posted:Yeah, it's a good thing they didn't ruin the difficulty of slowly hovering over gaps by including the long jump, huh? Sunshine's spin jump is a really good tool, you should probably use it more if you're having tons of trouble with the platforming levels. E: Bitch
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Oct 12, 2014 07:20
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The only bad thing about sunshine is the 100 coin star poo poo. Meanwhile 64 looked and played like poo poo even when it was new. I still remember when I was a kid who first saw Mario 64 and was so disgusted with how awful it was that I got a PS1 instead. Then the GameCube came out and all was forgiven. Best console of that Generation ( if we ignore the Dreamcast).
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:The only bad thing about sunshine is the 100 coin star poo poo. Meanwhile 64 looked and played like poo poo even when it was new. I still remember when I was a kid who first saw Mario 64 and was so disgusted with how awful it was that I got a PS1 instead. That was only bad in the hotel level.
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RMZXAnarchy posted:That was only bad in the hotel level. If you remember to get the red coins, the coin stuff isn't so bad outside of the hotel one yeah. I remember as a kid I had 99 but I entered the hotel already and couldn't find one last coin.
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Oct 12, 2014 07:33
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Austrian mook posted:Sunshine's spin jump is a really good tool, you should probably use it more if you're having tons of trouble with the platforming levels. virtualboyCOLOR posted:The only bad thing about sunshine is the 100 coin star poo poo.
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Austrian mook posted:If you remember to get the red coins, the coin stuff isn't so bad outside of the hotel one yeah. I remember as a kid I had 99 but I entered the hotel already and couldn't find one last coin. Have you ever done it in the first stage before fighting that phantom manta ray? Most time consuming shine in the game. Still more fun than that Pachinko bullshit.
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RMZXAnarchy posted:Have you ever done it in the first stage before fighting that phantom manta ray? I remember the leaf level on the river that you could only get to by going on the boat with yoshi.
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Oct 12, 2014 08:36
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Austrian mook posted:I remember the leaf level on the river that you could only get to by going on the boat with yoshi. well yeah that sucked too but the nice thing was that if you hosed up you could walk all the way back to the beginning and start over without being booted out. With the loving pachinko level you hosed up and you lost lives, quickly. And it was mostly based on luckiness than anything else because the control was so stilted.
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RMZXAnarchy posted:well yeah that sucked too but the nice thing was that if you hosed up you could walk all the way back to the beginning and start over without being booted out. running around those loving pins in the wall just to get the last red coin was loving garbage. Also mudboats were horrible
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I'm replaying mario 64 for the first time in years, and I've decided to ignore any of the particularly arduous "get the 100 coins" stars. Same will go for Sunshine when i get there presumably. All I remember from sunshine is the blue coins being complete bastards to find, and a section towards the end of the game that required Mario to steer a canoe over lava. Not easy to do in the best of times, but trying to get the coins AND survive became a multi-hour affair. Ah, childhood.
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Pomp posted:What was so bad about Tooie? Tooie had some cool ideas that were awkwardly executed on. It had massive levels (some of the biggest on the N64, I think, Jetforce Gemini might be bigger) with the idea of having them interconnected, whether it be through the train station or just finding secret entrances. Because the levels were designed in this way, they put in a lot of jiggies that required frequent backtracking, especially with some of the powers. Lots of the backtrack jiggies were also sort of non-content. Like you would get the spring shoes and take 5 seconds to jump up behind a waterfall, or break a rock and give a dinosaur some water and go back to his level to talk to him for the reward, they were really shallow compared to some of the other efforts required. There was also some stuff that was just straight up badly thought out, like Canary Mary or Jolly Roger's Lagoon. The former being responsible for some of the worst button mashing in any n64 game and the latter being a level almost entirely submerged in water, with plenty of the game's difficult-to-maneuver underwater combat and sub-abilities. That said, some of the bosses were pretty neat and the more fleshed out mechanics (like splitting up banjo and kazooie, the first person shooting stuff) made traversing some areas interesting. Susat fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Azruelli posted:Tooie had some cool ideas that were awkwardly executed on. It had massive levels (some of the biggest on the N64, I think, Jetforce Gemini might be bigger) with the idea of having them interconnected, whether it be through the train station or just finding secret entrances. Because the levels were designed in this way, they put in a lot of jiggies that required frequent backtracking, especially with some of the powers. Lots of the backtrack jiggies were also sort of non-content. Like you would get the spring shoes and take 5 seconds to jump up behind a waterfall, or break a rock and give a dinosaur some water and go back to his level to talk to him for the reward, they were really shallow compared to some of the other efforts required. The main problem with the backtracking was that too few of them were actually puzzles or required any memory or thinking about how the levels connected to each other. A good one was the cavemen who needed hamburgers, as that required you to get an item from an even later level and then figure out how to transport the burgers from Witchyworld to the cavemen without getting them taken from you. Too many of them ended up just being rote busywork and weren't actually satisfying or interesting to figure out. I still loved both BT and BK when I was a kid, but I haven't played either of them in a very long time.
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I loved BT back in the day (probably still would) but holy hell was the N64 struggling to run it.
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Austrian mook posted:the bosses weren't that great (aside from the final one which was pretty good) and they sucked mostly in Mario 64 so I'm glad that they put their energy and time into making things that are fun to play instead of bosses. The other perfect games are Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Metroid Prime, and Punch Out. Thank you for your time. Your list doesn't have Mega Man X, therefore it is a broken list.
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:The only bad thing about sunshine is the 100 coin star poo poo. Meanwhile 64 looked and played like poo poo even when it was new. I still remember when I was a kid who first saw Mario 64 and was so disgusted with how awful it was that I got a PS1 instead. What 3D platform game looked and played better than Mario 64 in 1996?
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Long John Power posted:What 3D platform game looked and played better than Mario 64 in 1996? I wouldn't say it played better, but I'd be willing to say that Crash Bandicoot at least looked a little better than Mario 64.
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Just played the Bayonetta Demo, it was crazy in its own unique way, but I just felt like I mashed buttons and didn't quite understand what I was doing
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I hate how club Nintendo never updates their new rewards at any normal time. We're supposed to get new stuff today.
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Fremry posted:I hate how club Nintendo never updates their new rewards at any normal time. We're supposed to get new stuff today. No, this is the last day of last month's rewards and tomorrow we're getting the new stuff. They're confusing and it'll probably be delayed until Tuesday anyway.
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Long John Power posted:What 3D platform game looked and played better than Mario 64 in 1996? Busby 3D
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Just bought the 200 dollar refurb from Nintendo, and I got MK8 coming in the mail.
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James Woods Fan posted:Just bought the 200 dollar refurb from Nintendo, and I got MK8 coming in the mail. Welcome to the club. It's a great system.
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Wow, Club Nintendo doesn't give much time to register a product, do they? Bought mario kart 8 from gamefly (40 bucks!), entered in the code early last week. Went on today to knock out the 70 coin survey, and its already expired. drat, ah well.
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Long John Power posted:What 3D platform game looked and played better than Mario 64 in 1996? who cares? It's not 1996 anymore.
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Did I buy a WiiU because I'm cute, or did buying a WiiU make me cute?
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Scholtz posted:Did I buy a WiiU because I'm cute, or did buying a WiiU make me cute? Well you were cute before but now you've leveled up on the cute meter.
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I can't wait to hear more about confirmed cute game Devil's Third, made by cutest dev alive Tomonobu Itagaki: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yTldFe2m-A
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:I can't wait to hear more about confirmed cute game Devil's Third, made by cutest dev alive Tomonobu Itagaki: What an adorable game.
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