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SedanChair posted:You haven't really engaged with anything I've said If liberals or progressives could choose one single issue where their position is clearly and unequivocally winning it would no question be LGBT rights. Trying to take a super pessimistic position that all of this progress is just going to be undone down the line just seems ridiculous when there is absolutely no evidence to back it up whatsoever. Yes we still has institutionalized racism all of these years after the civil rights movement but things are still better for blacks now than ever and it would be difficult to institutionalize homophobia because rich people have gay kids too.
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MaxxBot posted:things are still better for blacks now than ever Gosh I'm learning all sorts of stuff today! In general I agree with your points but let's see what a few decades of keeping their opinions to themselves does to homophobic bigots. Racism and anti-semitism are both enjoying a resurgence and culture does not progress towards an ideal. Cultures backslide. I realize I'm speaking in very general terms but so what?
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Oct 11, 2014 23:49
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SedanChair posted:Gosh I'm learning all sorts of stuff today! Homosexuality is unique in that it crosses any other sort of cultural boundary you can think of (race, class, gender, etc). Homosexuality has been tolerated for quite a while among rich people and educated people (insert Greek joke here), whereas (e.g.) racism has historically been a thing for all levels of class. Also, where is anti-semitism enjoying a resurgence?
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Oct 11, 2014 23:52
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SedanChair posted:In general I agree with your points but let's see what a few decades of keeping their opinions to themselves does to homophobic bigots. Racism and anti-semitism are both enjoying a resurgence and culture does not progress towards an ideal. Cultures backslide. I realize I'm speaking in very general terms but so what? Even supposing you're right, what's your point? Should we all just give up? Are we not trying hard enough?
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Oct 11, 2014 23:54
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Nothing like some "human beings are poo poo and the world is cruel" rhetoric just when people in this thread were starting to feel good about some social progress. Excellent timing!
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ColdPie posted:Even supposing you're right, what's your point? Should we all just give up? Are we not trying hard enough? Crab bucket, we're getting to uppity.
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Oct 12, 2014 00:13
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We've had some major successes this week so I guess it's time for the pessimistic meltdown
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Oct 12, 2014 00:33
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platedlizard posted:We've had some major successes this week so I guess it's time for the pessimistic meltdown Both of the Carolinas are on board now. Who expected that to happen at all before the Supreme Court made it a reality for everyone in the US? The next 2 landmarks will be Texas (because of the population) and Mississippi (because that will mean the fight has been over for the rest of the country for 30 years  )
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I think the point he is trying to make is that marriage equality isn't the end all of LGBTQ rights. Which it's definitely not, but no harm in pausing for a moment to celebrate. 
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:I think the point he is trying to make is that marriage equality isn't the end all of LGBTQ rights. Which it's definitely not, but no harm in pausing for a moment to celebrate. I reckon that about covers it. Affluent supporters of civil rights have a history of dismantling their movements after they have received the benefits they sought. Prosperous gay professionals and creatives now have little left to gain in terms of equal recognition under the law. They will retreat to suburban comfort and recognition and the memory of their battles will vanish. People on the margins (and people who derive no benefit from the perpetuation of pro-monogamy bias) will see very little benefit from recent changes to the law. America is in the process of congratulating itself, though. As usual, that means that everyone who is still left out will remain left out. And in 20 years, married gay couples will distance themselves from other sexual minorities. "I'm not one of those militant gay rights people," they'll aver. Like feminism, the concept of agitating for gay rights will be seen as extreme and unreasonable. That's when the rollback will begin.
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SedanChair posted:I reckon that about covers it. Affluent supporters of civil rights have a history of dismantling their movements after they have received the benefits they sought. Prosperous gay professionals and creatives now have little left to gain in terms of equal recognition under the law. They will retreat to suburban comfort and recognition and the memory of their battles will vanish. People on the margins (and people who derive no benefit from the perpetuation of pro-monogamy bias) will see very little benefit from recent changes to the law. trolling.txt
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Aggrieved, sexless white males will form a new coalition, a Klan of redditors. They will put many people in Congress with the sole objective of punishing everyone who is not like them. You had better get ready for them, because they are the ones who will be orchestrating this rollback.
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SedanChair posted:I reckon that about covers it. Affluent supporters of civil rights have a history of dismantling their movements after they have received the benefits they sought. Prosperous gay professionals and creatives now have little left to gain in terms of equal recognition under the law. They will retreat to suburban comfort and recognition and the memory of their battles will vanish. People on the margins (and people who derive no benefit from the perpetuation of pro-monogamy bias) will see very little benefit from recent changes to the law. Why'd you stop coloring? The grown ups are still talking. I mean I guess you get off on being the stupidest person in D&D but the rest of us find the gimmick tiring. But thank you straight white male for telling us queers how it is.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Why'd you stop coloring? The grown ups are still talking. A straight white male came in?
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:I think the point he is trying to make is that marriage equality isn't the end all of LGBTQ rights. Which it's definitely not, but no harm in pausing for a moment to celebrate. Why did you encourage him to keep posting 
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Mecca-Benghazi posted:I think the point he is trying to make is that marriage equality isn't the end all of LGBTQ rights. Which it's definitely not, but no harm in pausing for a moment to celebrate. So he's not a troll he's just a crazy person who saw posts that said 'oh wow this is so good' and gay people being happy that one of our fights is nearing its end, and his fuckin brain turned that to "SO THE WORK IS OVER GUYS", and instead of even focusing on that he just said 'uh no things will get worse for you actually'. I can't believe the poor guy got called an idiot.
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Icon Of Sin posted:Both of the Carolinas are on board now. Who expected that to happen at all before the Supreme Court made it a reality for everyone in the US? The next 2 landmarks will be Texas (because of the population) and Mississippi (because that will mean the fight has been over for the rest of the country for 30 years I can't wait for Texas bc my conservative step-cousin lives there and his meltdown on Facebook will be epic. He's so evangelical that my highly religious aunt (his step-mom) thinks he's off the deep-end so family holidays are v. interesting.
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Man I sure love the SedanChair "all the rich white gay people will quit fighting now and everyone else will suffer" quarterly derail.
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Oct 12, 2014 01:32
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I just got invited to my cousin's wedding so nothing and no one's posting is going to bring me down.
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I can't wait for Texas just because I'm spiteful. That aside, sorry if I missed it up thread but what's the status in Nevada now? Have licenses/weddings started, or are they still farting around?
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Icon Of Sin posted:Both of the Carolinas are on board now. Just one. The SC Supreme Court ordered that licenses were not to be issued on Thursday.
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I can't wait for Texas because I'm a gay person in Texas.
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SedanChair posted:(and people who derive no benefit from the perpetuation of pro-monogamy bias) Wait wait wait, is this your real concern? Polygamy?
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No need to start a polygamy derail. That's been hit up plenty of times and the response is it doesn't loving belong in the gay marriage thread and if you want to talk about it start a new one.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:Why'd you stop coloring? The grown ups are still talking. I don't agree with SedanChair but I don't think it's him who should try posting like a grown up. Sedan is at least presenting his very stupid opinion like an adult, meanwhile you're ignoring everything he says in favor of slinging some piss weak burns about instead. If he's just trolling ban him or whatever, but I don't think making increasingly childish posts where you try and call him a child is exactly the best way to deal with him. Then again I'm a straight white male so I know fuckall of course. Benjamin Arthur fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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SedanChair posted:Gosh I'm learning all sorts of stuff today! Ok if you disagree, when exactly in American history were things better for blacks? Obviously racism is still a huge issue but there is a very clear difference when comparing silent/greatest generation whites to boomers to millenials as far as their attitudes towards race are concerned. To deny that there has been progress just because things are still bad in certain areas is ridiculous.
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Benjamin Arthur posted:I don't agree with SedanChair but I don't think it's him who should try posting like a grown up. Sedan is at least presenting his very stupid opinion like an adult, meanwhile you're ignoring everything he says in favor of slinging some piss weak burns about instead. Ignoring what that idiot says is generally the best policy. It's better to laugh and move on the poo poo up the thread engaging him.
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Yeah I'm not wasting any time "debating" that idiot. It's like trying to discuss nuance with a child.
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Quick trip report from  MY WEDDING in Utah. There were three couples at the clerk's office, including us. The other two were same-sex. 
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Oct 12, 2014 06:17
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SedanChair just wants this thread to get the same experiences that Amergin gives the USPol thread.
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Evil Fluffy posted:SedanChair just wants this thread to get the same experiences that Amergin gives the USPol thread. And the same experience that SedanChair gives the Middle East thread.
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And Ted Rall gives the cartoons thread.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKAuOeEdjPo From this morning Perkins vs Olsen The host definitely came across as someone who does not think highly of Perkins. If I'm not mistaken he is one of the more liberal Fox News hosts Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKAuOeEdjPo wow, he got wrecked. so it sounds like perkins is joining cruz in his amendment bid. fun times
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Perkins posted:"The (Supreme) Court did a backalley type Roe v. Wade judicial decision by letting the lower courts do their...their evil bidding. Oh here we go 
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Texas posted:The new filing largely reiterated the same “responsible procreation” argument Abbott made in July, when the state first appealed a a February district court’s ruling overturning the Texas gay marriage ban. In it, Abbott argued marriage among heterosexual partners is more beneficial to society because it encourages married couples to have children and provides an example for other couples to do the same. “First, Texas’s marriage laws are rationally related to the State’s interest in encouraging couples to produce new offspring, which are needed to ensure economic growth and the survival of the human race,” Abbott wrote. You know it has to kind of hard to be an attorney and write horseshit like this.
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