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kingturnip posted:No, you see, 'cos in Singapore what, this singapore? 
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David Miliband as Blair's heir apparent would've been tarred with Blair's failings and would've turned off a lot of left wing voters with his connection to extraordinary rendition (which the media would've cared about a lot more if he'd become leader, Nick Robinson shedding a tear for all the innocent kidnapping victims). Plus if you dislike Ed for adopting Tory policies, as a solid Blairite David would've been even worse. To his credit David did act very responsibly in leaving the party immediately and keeping quiet about his brother's leadership. Balls would've likely caused factionalism and discontent by being an rear end in a top hat, Burnham would've attacked Cameron from the right and Abbott didn't command the confidence of the PLP among many other problems. There really wasn't anyone better than Ed sadly.
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Good news everyone, the format for the leader's debates for the next General Election has been announced, and they've included UKIP. loving shoot me. EDIT: It's basically the 5-3-2 format I outlined, but with the Greens removed because gently caress the Greens I guess. Pasco posted:A 5-3-2 format (LabLibConKipGre-LabLibCon-LabCon) which allows them to neutralise the first debate by making it unmanageably large, and turn the third debate into a Presidential style Miliband/Cameron face-off. This is the least obvious attempt at a spoiler and could possibly work. Pasco fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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Oct 13, 2014 10:37
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Pasco posted:Good news everyone, the format for the leader's debates for the next General Election has been announced, and they've included UKIP. Even if you dislike the Greens, how can anyone argue fairness, and not include a party that is polling higher than one in government, while including one with the same amount of seats?
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Oct 13, 2014 10:40
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Even if you dislike the Greens, how can anyone argue fairness, and not include a party that is polling higher than one in government, while including one with the same amount of seats? The Lib Dems are currently in government and are likely to pick up at least 20-odd seats in 2015 despite their current woes. UKIP have only one MP but are polling high and have a realistic chance of picking up multiple seats in 2015. The Greens are neither likely to pick up multiple seats nor polling particularly well. How is their claim for inclusion anywhere near as strong as UKIP's or the Lib Dems'? e: the Greens are not currently polling better than the Lib Dems - the former averaged <5% in the four most recent polls while the latter were on ~8%. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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what ed miliband really needs is a charisma contest with another human being* on national television shortly before the election *certain values of human, another
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Oct 13, 2014 10:48
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I think it was someone in here who said that the Tories hate debates as they identified it as a key reason for losing out on a majority in 2010? Just imagine David Cameron against Farage. For once, divide and rule may become a desirable outcome for the left i.e. Farage takes Cameron down a notch to the point where Tory voters switch to a side that can't form a Governnent : tdrules fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Oct 13, 2014 |
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Oct 13, 2014 10:57
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Pasco posted:Good news everyone, the format for the leader's debates for the next General Election has been announced, and they've included UKIP. By 2020 they'll just have a phone vote to eliminate a party at a time from the debates and by 2025 they won't even bother with polling stations.
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Oct 13, 2014 11:05
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goddamnedtwisto posted:By 2020 they'll just have a phone vote to eliminate a party at a time from the debates and by 2025 they won't even bother with polling stations. Britain's Got Politics.
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Oct 13, 2014 11:07
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Pasco posted:Good news everyone, the format for the leader's debates for the next General Election has been announced, and they've included UKIP. Reminder that this is not the definite format for the debates, it's the major broadcasters' (BBC, ITV, C4, Sky) proposal to the parties for the debates. It's not certain the four parties will agree to that exactly. For example the Guardian and Telegraph have suggested a joint youtube debate, the Lib Dems still favour 3-3-3 (unsurprising really) etc..
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The New Black posted:Reminder that this is not the definite format for the debates, it's the major broadcasters' (BBC, ITV, C4, Sky) proposal to the parties for the debates. It's not certain the four parties will agree to that exactly. For example the Guardian and Telegraph have suggested a joint youtube debate, the Lib Dems still favour 3-3-3 (unsurprising really) etc.. why would anyone suggest handing Google control of a significant part of the electoral campaign at the same time as they're facing investigation for massive tax evasion?
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Oct 13, 2014 11:56
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Cerv posted:why would anyone suggest handing Google control of a significant part of the electoral campaign at the same time as they're facing investigation for massive tax evasion? Because they've got the biggest streaming platform across multiple devices with the largest demographic reach available?
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Oct 13, 2014 11:58
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Well there's always Twitch... who're owned by Amazon. 
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Well there's always Twitch... who're owned by Amazon. Leadership debate to be held during multiplayer Minecraft stream.
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Oct 13, 2014 12:18
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Not Operator posted:Leadership debate to be held during multiplayer Minecraft stream. Future policy to decided by Spelunky Death Roulette.
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Total Meatlove posted:Because they've got the biggest streaming platform across multiple devices with the largest demographic reach available? Sounds like they don't need the hand out
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Oct 13, 2014 12:38
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Hijo Del Helmsley posted:Even if you dislike the Greens, how can anyone argue fairness, and not include a party that is polling higher than one in government, while including one with the same amount of seats? Come now, no one's going to want to watch the debate if it involves any actual debate. We're here for shouting about how we're going to punish those Immigrants and stick it to the EU thank you very much.
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Oct 13, 2014 12:42
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Well there's always Twitch... who're owned by Amazon. Question from Tim in Ruislip, to each of the leaders: which starter Pokemon did you choose and why?
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Oct 13, 2014 12:45
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Stottie Kyek posted:Question from Tim in Ruislip, to each of the leaders: which starter Pokemon did you choose and why?
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Oct 13, 2014 12:54
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David Cameron: I chose Squirtle, not just because it is the traditional Conservative blue but because it represents a lot of British values; its tough outer shell shows our commitment to standing up and protecting not just ourselves but others around the world, its water element celebrates our fine naval traditions and nautical industries and even though it is small now there's a blastoise in each of us ready to come out when given the right opportunities in this great country. Ed Miliband: Ditto. Nick Clegg: I'm more of a monster rancher myself.
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Nigel Farage: It's EU farming legislation that's keeping the British pokemon trainers down, and all these lazy new imported pokemon from the Bongo-Bongo leagues, and the feminisation of our society to the point that the Professor has to ask whether you're a boy or a girl. What was the question? David Cameron: I met a 40-year-old black man who'd been a pokemon trainer for thirty years, he'd got his license at age ten just like all new trainers and I think that's quite right and proper that our children can be involved in combat roles.
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Farage would choose Koffing, looks like him and represents his values. However no ones topping this:namesake posted:Ed Miliband: Ditto.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:There really wasn't anyone better than Ed sadly. Well, there was John McDonnell, but he was never going to achieve the nominations he needed. (Still won't next year.)
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Oct 13, 2014 14:06
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What's UKIP's connection to big monied interests like? I'm basically assuming they're stealth liberalisers like all the others and whatever passes for an establishment in 2014 UK wouldn't care too much if they got power. Considering most of their most terrible policies are impossible it'd be interesting if they magically won and had a grassroots push to actually tackle banks and such. At this point I can't see them being worse than the tories, neither of whom I'll ever vote for. Not that any of this will happen, Tory majority 2015 woo! This failtrain got no breaks!
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Oct 13, 2014 14:32
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Their biggest funder is an ex-Tory hedge-fundie.
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Nothing 'stealth' about it in UKIP's case.
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Zephro posted:Their biggest funder is an ex-Tory hedge-fundie. So yeah, then they're basically funnelling "the right kind" of populism into a lovely party that will sell them out. Thats pretty much what I thought.
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Cerv posted:why would anyone suggest handing Google control of a significant part of the electoral campaign at the same time as they're facing investigation for massive tax evasion? The same reason it goes out on any media outlet, do you think they would pull the debate from Sky or ITV if there were questions about their tax? Besides, facing investigation for is not the same as proven to have been, the books could all line up at this stage, however unlikely. Surely more debate across more forms of media is a good thing, adults are currently watching almost as much online video as TV each year and the trend is even more pronounced in teenagers, bringing that generation into the political conversation, or at least making them aware, is an admirable goal.
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Tiran Dirth posted:
I guess it could lead to more TV debates and then some with actual information in. Though the main campaign debates are just ad campaigns at this point for a couple different flavours of economic strip mining. Nobody is gonna be pulling any real information from them, we know in advance they're going to say "We're the best, vote for me,". e: canny viewers can pick apart their narrative strategies I guess.
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nopantsjack posted:So yeah, then they're basically funnelling "the right kind" of populism into a lovely party that will sell them out. Thats pretty much what I thought.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What's particularly annoying is how people seized on the Part 2 safeguards - and their references to aggregated metadata - as proof of how evil the Bill was when it was literally the exact opposite, the very first time (that I'm aware of) that any government has attempted to limit the aggregation of metadata in that way. Part II isn't just a "safeguard", it's codifying in law that anyone "senior" enough in a public authority can request communications data for nebulously-defined reasons without being forced to seek a warrant. It's basically taking the worst parts of RIPA and transplanting them into the bill. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see, say, a movie studio leaning on the police to make such requests for data.
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Oct 13, 2014 14:59
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David Cameron has already started looking for entertainment for the debate intermission. 
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tdrules posted:David Cameron has already started looking for entertainment for the debate intermission. That is offensive to people of blur.
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Something relevant to the new bright idea to sell off Eurostar... http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/privatisation-and-government-debt.html?m=1
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Zephro posted:Yeah, voting UKIP would be against the interests of almost all UKIP voters. It's a protest vote (and quite an effective one, too - you can bet the Cabinet are thinking about Clacton and its problems in a way that they haven't for decades). Are they though? With Labour deciding to embrace xenophobia it seems the only message the political class are taking from the rise of UKIP is that they need to bash poor immigrants (nobody, especially not UKIP, is criticising the Russian Oligarchs for coming to London) more in order to keep working class support. I suppose there's the jam
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The tax cuts in Cameron's speech weren't for the working class, though. It's hardly jam at all.
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TinTower posted:Part II isn't just a "safeguard", it's codifying in law that anyone "senior" enough in a public authority can request communications data for nebulously-defined reasons without being forced to seek a warrant. It's basically taking the worst parts of RIPA and transplanting them into the bill. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to see, say, a movie studio leaning on the police to make such requests for data. That's literally the situation now (that a sufficiently senior official can authorise a CD request). Part 2 actually firms up the proportionality tests compared to the current RIPA regime to help avoid the aggregated metadata problem.
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Parliament are currently debating a non-binding Backbench Motion on recognition of Palestine. The text of the motion and its amendments are below: That this House believes that the Government should recognise the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel.
Looks like the motion might pass, although ministers are abstaining and the Government position won't change regardless of the vote.
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Cameron seems to object to the Greens not being included in the debates if UKIP are. So, that pretty much confirms that they won't be in one of the debates...
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for what its worth; Cameron is questioning the lack of Green inclusion in the debates, since they have an equal number of MPs to UKIP and actually elected one at the last general election ...so look forward to the Greens not being included in any of the debates, then!
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