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The problem is that this is WWE so they'll be really infrequent at first and it won't be a big deal, so they'll assume that means everyone loves ads and run them constantly.
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Blast Fantasto posted:If the ads on VOD stuff are only before the program, I'm okay with this. What I don't want is ads inserted every 20 minutes in a 3 hour PPV. That'd be crushing. Well it literally says just before the programming, and only occasional, so rest easy on that front.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:21
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I'd be fine with WWE Network adding ads if that also meant they started getting added to reward sites like Hulu does. I don't think I've paid for Hulu Plus in two years thanks to Bing Rewards.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:23
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the most annoying thing they could do is interrupt matches for ads and they still do that on main event and poo poo. i doubt they will ever do this on a ppv.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:24
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There's already usually 4-6 minutes of ads on every PPV anyway, and if you didn't see this coming then you're quite a naive consumer.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:26
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I wonder what (if anything) this says for Network subscription numbers. Shouldn't we be getting another number announced fairly soon?
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Oct 13, 2014 17:26
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Johanns Molemann posted:the most annoying thing they could do is interrupt matches for ads and they still do that on main event and poo poo. i doubt they will ever do this on a ppv. I never understood why on the Pre Show before a PPV, they will cut away from the match to either show an ad for the Network or the PPV you are about to watch. Why would they do this?!? Nothing can be as bad as Hulu ads where within a 22 minute show I see the same drat commercial 9 times.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:26
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Daniel Bryan posted:I won't mind ads between shows on the live stream. What I will mind is pre-rolls before VOD. That's what may piss me off to the point of canceling. I'd rather they'd jack the price up a couple bucks and not do this. Can I ask why? I don't get this at all. A minute long ad before a 3 hour VOD pisses you off that much?
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Astro7x posted:I never understood why on the Pre Show before a PPV, they will cut away from the match to either show an ad for the Network or the PPV you are about to watch. Why would they do this?!? Because the pre-shows air places other than on the Network. How many times are people going to ask this and have it answered? TL posted:Can I ask why? I don't get this at all. A minute long ad before a 3 hour VOD pisses you off that much? This is what I don't get too. If it got Hulu level bad, I'd totally understand. But unless it becomes VASTLY different from the written description, there's no way it'll end up that bad.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:34
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I don't have a problem with the terms as they're stated in the initial e-mail. My problem is that this company has a horrible, horrible track record of looking at things completely out of context and I fully expect them to view the relative lack of issue with minimal ads as a blanket "don't really mind ads" policy and expand the ads from there.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:37
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Blast Fantasto posted:
I'm afraid I've got some bad news.
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sportsgenius86 posted:I don't have a problem with the terms as they're stated in the initial e-mail. My problem is that this company has a horrible, horrible track record of looking at things completely out of context and I fully expect them to view the relative lack of issue with minimal ads as a blanket "don't really mind ads" policy and expand the ads from there. This is a fair point, but I'll cross that bridge if/when we come to it. Until then, I'm not gonna froth at the mouth about it, personally.
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Oct 13, 2014 17:42
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Honestly, a couple ads as filler between shows doesn't bother me at all considering they fill downtime with the same two or three short segments right now anyway.
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So they're gonna add ads.
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What this says about the Network number: It's probably bad. Things I take from it: - Everyone who signed up and got Wrestlemania 30 has gone through a 6 month commitment by this point. Every one of those 667k people could have canceled. Not that they did, but they could have. The cancellation number could be huge. - Summerslam did not create the boost they wanted. Lesnar destroying Cena meant for a small boost, not enough though. - International subscriptions did not take off like they had hoped. - Lesnar costs them a ton of money per appearance, and they have to make up for it somehow.
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oldpainless posted:Ad News Barrett. All of the ads between shows should be '50s-style sponsorships. Like we cut to Barrett in a studio "Wow, that was a great match. You know, when I deliver bad news it can give me a real headache sometimes. Thankfully, I always carry a bottle of Advil with me just in case. Advil: I'm afraid I have some bad news for headaches."
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Oct 13, 2014 18:04
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The network is still worth it to me for the PPVs alone, even with ads...
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Oct 13, 2014 18:05
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poo poo the wwe is doing bad, push the bunny and gunge! They luvvit MAGGLE wadaya talgein aboud tas as werf nain niandeh nain!
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My sub from the day of Wrestlemania ran out, and I was just going to re-sub before Hell in a Cell. With this though, and the HIAC card so awful, I might hold out for a good PPV or the Rumble, whichever comes first.
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Blast Fantasto posted:All of the ads between shows should be '50s-style sponsorships. Like we cut to Barrett in a studio "I'm afraid you've got some... BAD KNEES. Give them the support they need with Dr. Scholls padded insoles!"
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Oct 13, 2014 18:12
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Oct 13, 2014 18:36
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This is an incredibly dumb idea and will not bring in significant money. I wonder if the fact that it's an audience of paying customers means they will get paid regular ad rates instead of instead of wrestling rates.
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Oct 13, 2014 18:41
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pressedbunny posted:A lot of countries still don't actually have it available, and in those that do it seems poorly advertised. All the focus is on $9.99, which isn't of much relevance to people living in countries that use Euros, Pounds, Yen, Gil, Bison dollars or whatever else. It probably will have a big increase in subscriptions once it rolls out over Europe fully, including the UK where it's still nowhere to be seen. You're overstating the realistic importance of foreign markets. They're not going to give the network a big boost.
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Johanns Molemann posted:i'm 30 i cant join the army! Yes you can.
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Oct 13, 2014 18:56
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so you are telling me i can still be a general, huh
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Oct 13, 2014 19:02
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I don't have any issue with the ads if it means more programs getting uploaded and apps getting updated.
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ChampRamp posted:You're overstating the realistic importance of foreign markets. They're not going to give the network a big boost. ... Again, at least if they actually manage to roll it out everywhere in reasonable fashion and make any kind of attempt to advertise it. If it's a half-arsed, month-delayed Smackdown recap and PPVs aren't included or they run on a delay with adverts then gently caress it, it becomes worthless.
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Doomsday Jesus posted:I don't have any issue with the ads if it means more programs getting uploaded and apps getting updated. hahahaha
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pressedbunny posted:Across most modern mediums—music, movies, video games and TV—the combined countries of Europe generate more money than any other region. Asia is collectively not far behind (ahad in a couple of instances) and Oceania and South America aren't actually that far off North America, in many cases. There's absolutely no reason to believe that the combined profits from the rest of the planet would not outweigh the money generated in North America only. The notion that North America is the most important region for any truly international business is unfounded and very inaccurate in virtually all cases. They should put Raw on the network in the US then. They can make it with those big overseas deals. Overseas stuff really is a fraction of NA stuff wrt WWE.
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Oct 13, 2014 19:09
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So is the network still unavailable to the half of Canada that doesn't have Rogers cable and a lovely watered down version for people on Rogers or have they come to their senses yet? I'd love to go back and watch a bunch of old PPVs, but every time I look into the network in Canada it seems to be a gigantic clusterfuck. I want to give them money if they'll let me.
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pressedbunny posted:Across most modern mediums—music, movies, video games and TV—the combined countries of Europe generate more money than any other region. Asia is collectively not far behind (ahad in a couple of instances) and Oceania and South America aren't actually that far off North America, in many cases. There's absolutely no reason to believe that the combined profits from the rest of the planet would not outweigh the money generated in North America only. The notion that North America is the most important region for any truly international business is unfounded and very inaccurate in virtually all cases. For the longest time, the argument was that everyone that wants the network in overseas markets already has it and is viewing with proxies, so they won't actually gain any new subs. The fake US ones will cancel, and the new overseas ones will subscribe.
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coconono posted:ads in paid services make me irrationally angry. Same. You can't escape Capitalism!
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ChampRamp posted:They should put Raw on the network in the US then. They can make it with those big overseas deals. Overseas stuff really is a fraction of NA stuff wrt WWE. Astro7x posted:For the longest time, the argument was that everyone that wants the network in overseas markets already has it and is viewing with proxies, so they won't actually gain any new subs. The fake US ones will cancel, and the new overseas ones will subscribe. Again, I'm not saying that a proper world-wide roll-out would fix all their problems, just that to act like there is only one region on the whole planet that matters is ridiculous and there certainly is more money to be made out there, if they got their act together and put out a good product within a reasonable time frame and without problems.
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BGrifter posted:So is the network still unavailable to the half of Canada that doesn't have Rogers cable and a lovely watered down version for people on Rogers or have they come to their senses yet? They are very likely negotiating something similar for the UK.
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Oct 13, 2014 20:43
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UltimoDragonQuest posted:Rogers is paying them a lot of money and the Network is allegedly doing pretty well. So the 80% of Canadians using other cable providers are pretty much hosed? Great. Rogers doesn't even offer cable services west of Ontario. What a brilliant idea, turn the Network into an even shittier more annoying HBO.
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I'm paying $12.50 for the network here in Denmark because of VAT on top of the $9.99 but the dollar is still pretty devalued compared to the euro (which the danish currency is pegged to even though we don't actually use it) so still ends up being cheap. It would be really nice if WWE would actually put RAW and Smackdown on the network right away over here, since it literally isn't on TV at all, but I guess that would mean implementing some sort of advanced geoblocking system and sounds an awful lot like extra work.
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Daniel Bryan posted:What this says about the Network number: It's probably bad. I'd be surprised if it's good. I mean, I've dropped mine (for now, will renew by Rumble at the latest), and I know I'm not alone on here. If there's been a fair bit of dropped subs on PSP, imagine what the retention rate is for more casual fans.
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