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I'm new to this thread. Around what page does the good stuff start? Right now I just see a bunch of dudes posting about how awesome this game is gonna be because EverQuest.
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm new to this thread. Around what page does the good stuff start? Right now I just see a bunch of dudes posting about how awesome this game is gonna be because EverQuest. Brad starts lelu dallas multiposting on page 17.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:07
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I appreciate that, on its own, the early hype pages are a bit dry but I can assure you that those posts are the salt that make the meat of this thread oh so delicious.
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Oct 10, 2014 20:10
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm new to this thread. Around what page does the good stuff start? Right now I just see a bunch of dudes posting about how awesome this game is gonna be because EverQuest.  about MMOs in general to the Pantheon train wreck, aka a few pages of glory. The 17th page approximation is close enough, you just miss the initial announcement of monthly fee forum.
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Oct 10, 2014 22:17
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bUm posted:I too was in this situation and, when I caught up to current progress, my first post in the thread I pointed to this post for when things turned from Summary: - dumb idiot with an existing terrible track record at creating MMO goes "hey guys we're going to recreate everquest everyone loves everquest and wants a game like it, even though it's still running right??" - people fellate him because he did a thing in everquest - cue an endless list of dumb bad game decisions very few people would pay for even if brad didn't have a track record as a money squandering, foul-mouthed, scam artist - kickstarter for panthion fails because above - private funding falls through when the trust fund baby's trust manager listens to the first sentence of brad's pitch - brad holds private donations and raises about $145k, of which he pays himself $50k of it as a "five-month pay advance" - brad has a history of hard drug abuse - "developers" walk out of the "studio" (brad's garage) after realizing they aren't going to be paid in money - brad creates forums with monthly subscription tiers and game cash shop before any working parts of the game are featured anywhere - brad licenses the unity engine and buys the cheapest models he can off the unity community market to make a "concept video" - brad brings in a family of utterly insane "christian programmers" to work basically for free and take over all development - brad is now begging for extremely experienced unity programming "volunteers" to create his game for him for nothing - schadenfreude
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Oct 10, 2014 22:30
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Boris Galerkin posted:I'm new to this thread. Around what page does the good stuff start? Right now I just see a bunch of dudes posting about how awesome this game is gonna be because EverQuest. I think at least one of them was being ironic. Probably. Or at least I hope so.
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Oct 11, 2014 01:33
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gently caress McQuaid EQ stole 13 years of my life
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Oct 11, 2014 01:38
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T.G. Xarbala posted:I think at least one of them was being ironic. Nope not at all. Once this slips off the forum and Brad announces a new game it'll be the exact same idiots drooling over how awesome it's going to be
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Oct 11, 2014 01:52
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Vomik posted:Nope not at all. Once this slips off the forum and Brad announces a new game it'll be the exact same idiots drooling over how awesome it's going to be TBF it's usually the exact same idiots in every thread about an obviously poo poo game. There's something about this passtime which attracts the most willfully ignorant fools, I swear. See: people defending SotA. 
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Oct 11, 2014 01:56
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Rime posted:TBF it's usually the exact same idiots in every thread about an obviously poo poo game. Every new MMORPG is the best thing ever until it actually comes out and we have to play it. Pantheon will never come out, therefore it will be the best MMO forever. Checkmate, haters  .
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Oct 11, 2014 02:18
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bUm posted:I too was in this situation and, when I caught up to current progress, my first post in the thread I pointed to this post for when things turned from Looking back at it all you really can't go wrong from page 2. Aradune posted:You're right -- we didn't reach out enough before KS launch. Node posted:Oh my gosh, an idol of mine posting in my thread. I need to add some pics and videos to the OP. Got a few links for me sir? Knowing the outcome really puts a lot of this into a new perspective.
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Oct 11, 2014 09:14
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randombattle posted:Looking back at it all you really can't go wrong from page 2. YOU'RE TWISTING MY WORDS AND I WON'T STAND FOR IT
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Oct 11, 2014 09:29
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Looking back I am kinda amazed that itweant this badly pearshaped. I was there on the first page prophesising a failed project but I didn't expect the mmo from the other side of the pool in event horizon.
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Oct 11, 2014 10:38
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I don't want to just post my reactions like some liveposting goober but I reached a guy who says that FFXIV was one of the worst MMOs he's ever played and another who used Star Citizen as a positive example for crowdfunding. What the actual gently caress. 
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Oct 11, 2014 12:42
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To be fair, if the guy was talking about XIV 1.0, then yes, it was definitely one of the worst MMOs in existence. It is only through the absolutely amazing efforts of Yoshi-P and his dev team and the buckets of money SE poured into fixing things that it has become the Cinderella/Ugly Duckling story that it is. As for Star Citizen... there's no defending that. Just reading the concept of the thing makes me cringe in horror at how the servers would just immolate upon beta trials.
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Oct 11, 2014 15:20
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jwang posted:To be fair, if the guy was talking about XIV 1.0, then yes, it was definitely one of the worst MMOs in existence. It is only through the absolutely amazing efforts of Yoshi-P and his dev team and the buckets of money SE poured into fixing things that it has become the Cinderella/Ugly Duckling story that it is. The topic was definitely about ARR and some of his complaints included how easy it is to tank in pre-level 30 dungeons as a MRD/WAR ("just hit Overpower and occasionally move around a bit!"), how dull it is to grind FATEs, and how easy and painless it is to play solo. And also how the gear had no procs or interesting features, just stat point differences. And other quibbles that mostly amount to how much he dislikes the current state of themepark MMO design, for better or worse. He just happened to be using FFXIV ARR as the effigy for his distaste. I mean, reading people's fond memories of EQ, I can understand how MMOs just don't have that magic anymore to people who experienced it. But there's a reason why the number one rejection of EQ's more onerous conceits, World of Warcraft, took off the way it did. A lot of these fondly-remembered anecdotes sound, to me, like horror stories. And the complaints they have for modern MMOs are about conveniences without which these games would be needlessly wasting my time when I could be doing something else like watching Netflix. There was a guy who wanted to know if there were plans to not include maps in the game. I'm right with you on SC though. Red flags were popping for me when I noticed people talking about buying and selling ships when all they had was a barebones "hangar module."
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Oct 12, 2014 03:57
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I can get some of that, the complaints about FFXIV are why I quit after beating the raid content for the time. I just couldn't handle the low level stuff a second time because it was so soulless and boring. That's basically every MMO ever that isn't a sandbox, though. I'm back tackling heroics in WoW and waiting on the patch, just because all the alternatives are pretty boring. I really think WoW took off so spectacularly because all of its competitors were trainwrecks, it was highly polished, and EQ done hosed up hard around the GoD era and then poo poo like EQ2/vanguard were unplayable at launch. You bet your rear end I was playing WoW as my main game after that horrible garbage expansion of GoD, and I was pretty much a die-hard EQ fan. I would still be interested in an 'oldschool' style MMO still, if only because we have like 3 dozen wow clones and really nothing that feels like EQ did. I would also take something radically new and experimental. Just anything but the constant failed hotbar wow-clones that are poo poo out constantly. I still think that playing a bard/pvp in EQ was more interesting than most of what I do in MMOs now. That sentiment is what attracted a lot of the initial kickstarter support, but that crashed and burned so spectacularly that I don't know anyone who hadn't yanked their initial donation after the first week. It doesn't mean I want to regress to the stone age, just that I want an MMO that offers different things for when we're staring down a full year of SoO again. Meow Tse-tung fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Oct 12, 2014 |
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Oct 12, 2014 05:10
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Meow Tse-tung posted:I still think that playing a bard/pvp in EQ was more interesting than most of what I do in MMOs now. Go go Fansy!
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Oct 12, 2014 05:29
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T.G. Xarbala posted:I don't want to just post my reactions like some liveposting goober but I reached a guy who says that FFXIV was one of the worst MMOs he's ever played and another who used Star Citizen as a positive example for crowdfunding. Star Citizen was successful at raising money.
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Oct 12, 2014 06:14
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Zvim posted:Star Citizen was successful at raising money. That doesn't make it a positive example for crowdfunding though.
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Oct 12, 2014 15:35
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For anyone who doesn't follow the saga over at Rerolled involving this "game", here's the latest "news" (warning - lots of "quotes" incoming, because this whole thing is a joke) -Sparkling posts several terrible things on her facebook involving gay people. She's a major person the team (lore, servers, more), as is her whole family. Basically a cult. Had a failed kickstarter for a "christian MMO" called Visions. As well as a failed Kickstarter trying to raise $100 to send her kid to camp, too. Sparkling got rid of Revenants and Necros from Pantheon. I think she nixed an undead race too? ( all of it deemed too demonic) -Nittrix (or something like that) of the (all volunteer, mind you) "team" gets tired of it, causes a big stink -Nittrix's posts get deleted from the pantheon boards -Nittrix defects to the "dark side", joins the Rerolled forum -Nittrix posts "concept art" done by Sparkling of a "fuzzy troll". People dig up the old "merpeople" "concept art" as well. Both are hilarious. -Nittrix says he can write good lore, but meanwhile can't write a single correct English sentence, finally gets convinced to stop posting for a while. -Kyndsomething (someone still on the team) gets drunk and starts posting on Rerolled at like 2 am or something. Basic message is "it's been terrible, but new videos are coming out that are awesome, and stop being mean guys a lot of us are trying really hard and doing our best, there's a lot of news about to come out, direction has been fixed, ITS GONNA ROCK". -Kyndsomething then tells us all that Sparkling is no longer on the team (quit? "fired"? dunno) -Kyndsomething edits all his posts.
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Oct 12, 2014 15:45
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Eonwe posted:That doesn't make it a positive example for crowdfunding though. I don't recall that, might have just forgotten though. I think most people just said earlier in this thread if you look at the successful crowd funding game projects and how they went about it then it was an example of how Brad could have done it better, if there was more substance to what was put out at the time of asking people for their money then it probably would have been received better than it was. I am generally not in favour of crowd funding for massive projects and will make the project owner a fortune. All the risk falls to the backers and the person who takes all their money is the only one who potentially stands to gain anything, either shooting up those proceeds or actually using them to make a successful game then selling out to Sony for a wad of cash once it is popular. What do backers get? Some remote chance that it will be pulled off successfully many years later? It is a pretty poo poo deal.
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Oct 12, 2014 15:45
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xZAOx posted:For anyone who doesn't follow the saga over at Rerolled involving this "game", here's the latest "news" (warning - lots of "quotes" incoming, because this whole thing is a joke) This reminds me of the lovely indie teams I used to join on Gamedev.net, back in the early 2000's. 
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Oct 12, 2014 16:19
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xZAOx posted:For anyone who doesn't follow the saga over at Rerolled involving this "game", here's the latest "news" (warning - lots of "quotes" incoming, because this whole thing is a joke) The development drama of this trainwreck is far more entertaining than the game would ever be.
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Oct 12, 2014 16:25
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No More Heroes posted:The development drama of this trainwreck is far more entertaining than the game would ever be. Also cheaper!
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Oct 12, 2014 17:48
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No More Heroes posted:The development drama of this trainwreck is far more entertaining than the game would ever be. Yes, haha. I haven't seen MMO theatrics this good since the old days of EQ guild drama. Pantheon has delivered at this point just by (not) existing.
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Oct 12, 2014 18:43
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Eonwe posted:That doesn't make it a positive example for crowdfunding though. Compared to Pantheon it was a positive example of how to do a crowdfunding campaign. They showed their idea for what they wanted to do, explained how they would get there, offered incentives for people to donate, and communicated with the community at every step of the kickstarter. Whether you like where Star Citizen ended up or not they did it right. Unlike almost everything about Pantheon with it's pictures a dungeon scrawled out on a napkin and constant pandering to it's creator's TOTALLY AWESOME UNIQUE CHARACTER!
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Oct 13, 2014 01:54
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New video update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oELd95jqaFc This is the one that they supposedly spent a lot of time polishing on. I'll just let that sink in.
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Oct 13, 2014 22:30
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xZAOx posted:New video update: Cant even afford a 2 key for his hot bar
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Oct 13, 2014 23:28
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Haha holy poo poo, I like how the last minute of that video is just "Hey if you guys know of any accredited investors send'em our way! We've got a business plan and everything!"
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Oct 13, 2014 23:33
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I'm tempted to email him just to get a look at that business plan.
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Oct 13, 2014 23:49
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So tempted.
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Oct 14, 2014 00:38
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A lot of skeletons in that vid, did Sparkle sign off on this??
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Oct 14, 2014 00:49
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So am I looking at more unity stock areas here, or did they manage to cobble together a "unique" area with prefab terrain models? EDIT: Wow! I was expecting Brad to be talking over the video or something at least, but it's just nine or so minutes of him running around skeletons and lizard men with Definitely Not Friona Vie. i am tim! fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Oct 14, 2014 |
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Oct 14, 2014 00:56
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I can tell why they are excited about this, it would have KILLED in 1999.
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Oct 14, 2014 01:17
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i am tim! posted:So am I looking at more unity stock areas here, or did they manage to cobble together a "unique" area with prefab terrain models? The mountains are prefabs and the textures and grass are too. I'm not sure about the actual castle walls and gate but I think they are, hard to tell without buying the specific assets I think they are and checking. https://www.assetstore.unity3d.com/en/#!/content/7110 thats your skeletons The rest is a hodgepodge of 'starter kits' if you go looking on the assets store.
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randombattle posted:I'm tempted to email him just to get a look at that business plan. I sense an imminent goon-flavored "consultation". At least I hope I do.
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Byolante posted:The mountains are prefabs and the textures and grass are too. I'm not sure about the actual castle walls and gate but I think they are, hard to tell without buying the specific assets I think they are and checking. That's incredibly sad even for one dude. Like that's the level of garbage a 12 year old could poop out in 8 hours if you gave them $100. Meth - Not Even Once
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Oct 14, 2014 04:37
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