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mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
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I wonder if another few cases are found in the US over the next couple weeks, which doesn't seem too outrageous, will communities freak out and cancel halloween trick or treating?

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FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

This just isn't true. Ebola is highly infectious and the slightest bit of infected bodily fluid (including sweat) coming in contact with the tiniest of cuts, nose, eyes, mouth, etc will pretty much infect you. The whole "you have to basically roll around in their vomit" meme is bullshit.

You still have to gently caress up on a level akin to sticking your arm in a vat of infected feces, I.e. loving up following BCP and wiping your contaminated gloves all over your arms/wiping your hands all over your contaminated apron.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

mod sassinator posted:

I wonder if another few cases are found in the US over the next couple weeks, which doesn't seem too outrageous, will communities freak out and cancel halloween trick or treating?

On the bright side Ebola is real pope hat can make for a easy costume

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

FAUXTON posted:

You still have to gently caress up on a level akin to sticking your arm in a vat of infected feces, I.e. loving up following BCP and wiping your contaminated gloves all over your arms/wiping your hands all over your contaminated apron.

That's, um, not true. What sort of viral load do you think is sufficient to cause infection?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Discendo Vox posted:

That's, um, not true. What sort of viral load do you think is sufficient to cause infection?
I think you guys are violently agreeing from different perspectives. I'll ask again out of curiosity, any news about TED's family/housemates? How they doing?

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

FAUXTON posted:

You still have to gently caress up on a level akin to sticking your arm in a vat of infected feces, I.e. loving up following BCP and wiping your contaminated gloves all over your arms/wiping your hands all over your contaminated apron.

quote:

Dear Colleagues,

We write to provide a summary of the presentation at IDWeek by Dr. Bruce Ribner on caring for Ebola patients in the US 1. Dr. Ribner led the team at Emory University that cared for two patients with Ebola virus disease (EVD) in August. In light of the recent Ebola cases in Dallas and Spain he agreed that a summary could be provided to assist ID specialists in their ongoing preparedness efforts.

Planning for the care of patients

This involves the entire institution, and needs many sections to coordinate their work. EMS services were an important coordination point for the transport of the 2 patients to Emory. On the medical staff, many types of expertise were needed for clinical management: ID, critical care, anaesthesiology and several other subspecialities. Nursing, environmental management, facilities, security and media relations were all intensively involved ahead of time so that expected roles were defined. Even so, there were times when questions arose after the patients arrived.

Clinical Care

Ebola patients in Africa have only limited clinical evaluations and essentially no laboratory testing due to the lack of any infrastructure to support this. The Emory team was able to make careful clinical evaluations over time in their 2 patients and Dr. Ribner summarized the main points as follows:

Despite weight gains of 15-20 kg, the patients were profoundly hypovolemic due to their low serum albumin and vascular leak with third spacing. Fluid losses in their patients were 5-10 L/day.
Electrolyte losses were significant and included profound hyponatremia, hypokalemia and hypocalcemia. At initial assessment at Emory the patients were one week into illness yet these were their first laboratory determinations. Arrhythmias were noted, and both intravenous and oral electrolyte repletion was necessary.

Nutritional depletion was evident as well.
Ebola virus RNA was detected in blood, urine, vomitus, stool, endotracheal suctioning and semen and on skin. It was not detected in dialysate. Environmental testing in the patient rooms had no detection of viral RNA and included many high touch surfaces such as bed rails and surfaces in the bathroom.
Intensive 1:1 nursing care was necessary around the clock. Patients were monitored continuously and this level of nursing care allowed for rapid response to clinical changes. Nursing and other team members provided emotional support, and as the patients improved, help with self-care and physical therapy.
Experimental Interventions
While there are no approved vaccines or treatments for EVD, the WHO has noted that it is ethically acceptable to consider use of experimental agents. Categories of agents under study include candidate vaccines, whole blood and immune serum, and novel therapeutic agents (monoclonal antibodies, antivirals and RNA-based drugs). Most have not been evaluated in phase 1 human studies and are in limited supply. The Emory team engaged the FDA, CDC and pharmaceutical manufacturers in active discussions as they weighed additional interventions.

Laboratory Testing and Diagnostics

Differences in guidance for laboratory testing were noted between CDC and ASM. The CDC guidance indicates that testing can be performed in a main lab with attendant infection control and analyzer safeguards that are specified by the instrument's manufacturer, while the ASM guidance specified that point of care (POC) instruments located very close to the patient should be used. The reality the Emory team noted was that if a specimen from one of their EVD patients spilled in the main lab, it would be closed for hours to accomplish decontamination, thus impacting function of the entire hospital. There was realistic concern that technologists would not perform testing on EVD blood. These considerations prompted the Emory team to set up a POC testing area adjacent to the patient care unit 2. Lab testing was kept to a minimum.

Surprises in Shipping

Ebola virus is considered a category A agent which requires special packaging and shipping arrangements for clinical specimens. Despite meeting these requirements, the Emory team learned that commercial carriers refused to transport the specimens even when the carriers were licensed for Category A agents.

Staff and Environmental Safety

The hospital safety officer needed to navigate multiple regulatory requirements at the federal, state and local level. Familiarity with the regulatory documents and jurisdiction was necessary.

Personal Protective Equipment

Their staff was trained in the use of PPE that included impermeable body protection (gown, leg and shoe covers), face mask or N95, eye and face protection (goggles and face shield) and gloves. Practical considerations led them to use full body suits and PAPRs. Their decision was based on the need to work for extended periods of time using PPE, the aim of decreasing physical discomfort working in multi-component PPE and the avoidance of difficulties like fogged faceshields. The donning and doffing of PPE was always observed by another staff member, and the importance of adhering to safe removal of PPE was emphasized.

Unexpected Adventures in Waste Management

Although the CDC guidance indicates that sanitary sewers are acceptable for patient waste, the local water authority disagreed. The Emory team had to disinfect all patient liquid waste with bleach or quaternary detergents for 5 minutes before it could be flushed. The hospital's waste disposal contractor would only pick up materials that were certified as free of Ebola virus. As a consequence, the hospital had to dedicate an autoclave and move it to process all materials used in clinical care in order for it to be accepted for disposal as regulated medical waste. By the end of the patients' stay the autoclaved and boxed materials filled several trailers.

Media and Communications

Three key messages were used to manage the tsunami of media attention: first, that the Emory team had expertise in treating serious infectious diseases; second, that the staff and hospital were trained and prepared to care for the patients; and third, that the preparations included protection of Emory patients, staff and the community. Patient confidentiality was also underscored. For the hospital staff, multiple communications were done, using town hall meetings, email and other modes. For inpatients and all new admissions, letters were given that explained the situation and reiterated the key messages, and senior administrative leaders delivered the messages as well answered questions. No decrease in admissions or elective surgeries at the hospital was noted.

Lessons Learned

Patients with EVD can be safely cared for in developed countries with appropriate safeguards. This opportunity affords close clinical observation and experience in clinical management that could be relayed to facilities with lesser infrastructure. Communication, both internal and external, is critical to manage the situation surrounding a hospitalized EVD patient.

The Society thanks Dr. Ribner and his team for their astute observations, their compassion and their willingness to share what they have learned.

Sincerely,
Marguerite A. Neill, MD FIDSA, Chair, Rapid Communications Task Force, IDSA
References

Ribner BS. Treating patients with Ebola virus infections in the US: lessons learned. Presented at IDWeek, October 8, 2014. Philadelphia PA
Hill CE, Burd EM, Kraft CS, et al. Laboratory test support for Ebola patients within a high-containment facility. Lab Medicine 2014:45(3):e109-111.
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My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Oct 14, 2014

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Discendo Vox posted:

That's, um, not true. What sort of viral load do you think is sufficient to cause infection?

The sort of viral load sufficient to compromise properly handled PPE.

Seriously if you've picked up dog poo poo with those hand baggies you turn inside out, then you are smart enough to follow BCP regarding donning/disrobing PPE. It's just as simple, you don't loving touch the outside of the garment. Ebola is not nerve gas.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

This just isn't true. Ebola is highly infectious and the slightest bit of infected bodily fluid (including sweat) coming in contact with the tiniest of cuts, nose, eyes, mouth, etc will pretty much infect you. The whole "you have to basically roll around in their vomit" meme is bullshit.

So you're saying 40 years of research is wrong now? Enlighten us, medical wizard bringing the conspiracy down.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Nintendo Kid posted:

So you're saying 40 years of research is wrong now? Enlighten us, medical wizard bringing the conspiracy down.

What exactly did I say that goes against 40 years of medical research on ebola?

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

I think people are getting probable and possible confused.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

What exactly did I say that goes against 40 years of medical research on ebola?

No virus was found in urine (0 of 11), vomit (0 of 2), sputum (0 of 2), sweat (0 of 1), or the body louse (0 of 1).

The part where you did poo poo like claim sweat was a method of infection.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

What exactly did I say that goes against 40 years of medical research on ebola?

"Ebola is highly infectious and the slightest bit of infected bodily fluid (including sweat) coming in contact with the tiniest of cuts, nose, eyes, mouth, etc will pretty much infect you."

Did ebola kill your short term memory?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

quote:

Because the natural reservoir host of Ebola viruses has not yet been identified, the manner in which the virus first appears in a human at the start of an outbreak is unknown. However, researchers believe that the first patient becomes infected through contact with an infected animal.

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes in, for example, the eyes, nose, or mouth) with
  • blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola
  • objects (like needles and syringes) that have been contaminated with the virus
  • infected animals
  • Ebola is not spread through the air or by water, or in general, by food. However, in Africa, Ebola may be spread as a result of handling bushmeat (wild animals hunted for food) and contact with infected bats. There is no evidence that mosquitos or other insects can transmit Ebola virus. Only mammals (for example, humans, bats, monkeys, and apes) have shown the ability to become infected with and spread Ebola virus.

That's the CDC.

Fauxton, you're quoting an article on sweat transmission with an n of 1. Notice how they don't discuss it in the conclusion. This also appears to predate the research on infectious levels, which are 1 to 10 particles. It really takes remarkably little exposure.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Oct 14, 2014

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

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The CDC does list sweat as a method of transmission.

quote:

When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes in, for example, the eyes, nose, or mouth) with

  • blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola
  • objects (like needles and syringes) that have been contaminated with the virus
  • infected animals
  • Ebola is not spread through the air or by water, or in general, by food. However, in Africa, Ebola may be spread as a result of handling bushmeat (wild animals hunted for food) and contact with infected bats. There is no evidence that mosquitos or other insects can transmit Ebola virus. Only mammals (for example, humans, bats, monkeys, and apes) have shown the ability to become infected with and spread Ebola virus.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infection-prevention-and-control-recommendations.html

You're talking about a single sample of sweat and using it to draw huge unsupported generalizations about every single sample of sweat from every patient. Maybe the sample dried out and the carried virus died before processing, or maybe the sample was taken too early.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Did you not read what I just posted from Emory's team?

quote:

Nutritional depletion was evident as well.

Ebola virus RNA was detected in blood, urine, vomitus, stool, endotracheal suctioning and semen and on skin. It was not detected in dialysate. Environmental testing in the patient rooms had no detection of viral RNA and included many high touch surfaces such as bed rails and surfaces in the bathroom.
Intensive 1:1 nursing care was necessary around the clock. Patients were monitored continuously and this level of nursing care allowed for rapid response to clinical changes. Nursing and other team members provided emotional support, and as the patients improved, help with self-care and physical therapy.

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Sheng-ji Yang posted:

This just isn't true. Ebola is highly infectious and the slightest bit of infected bodily fluid (including sweat) coming in contact with the tiniest of cuts, nose, eyes, mouth, etc will pretty much infect you. The whole "you have to basically roll around in their vomit" meme is bullshit.

I'm getting conflicting messages here. Here's what I've heard from this thread:

1) What you've posted above
2) 1-10 viruses are enough to cause infection
3) In the late stages of the disease, ebola patients lose liquids rapidly -- 5-10 liters per day according to what MIGF posted.
4) In a non-hospital environment, i.e. with no PPE, the *average* ebola patient will infect two others.

It doesn't seem possible for all four of those to be true. What am I missing?

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Grundulum posted:

I'm getting conflicting messages here. Here's what I've heard from this thread:

1) What you've posted above
2) 1-10 viruses are enough to cause infection
3) In the late stages of the disease, ebola patients lose liquids rapidly -- 5-10 liters per day according to what MIGF posted.
4) In a non-hospital environment, i.e. with no PPE, the *average* ebola patient will infect two others.

It doesn't seem possible for all four of those to be true. What am I missing?

*median* R0 is 95% CI 2-3.55, from a phylogenetic analysis of transmision in rural settings with a limited sample size and an introductory event which was responsible for 14 cases detected by the study in Sierra Leone only.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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Grundulum posted:

I'm getting conflicting messages here. Here's what I've heard from this thread:

1) What you've posted above
2) 1-10 viruses are enough to cause infection
3) In the late stages of the disease, ebola patients lose liquids rapidly -- 5-10 liters per day according to what MIGF posted.
4) In a non-hospital environment, i.e. with no PPE, the *average* ebola patient will infect two others.

It doesn't seem possible for all four of those to be true. What am I missing?
The liquids do not stay infectuous for particularly long, and the virus will die quite readily if soaked with bleach. If you get a virus particle on your hand in a droplet of spit, hand sanitizer will (probably) kill it. Now given the dose threshold it is hard to say that it is "absolutely" safe.

As for 4, this number may be substantially lower in the West.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

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Grundulum posted:

It doesn't seem possible for all four of those to be true. What am I missing?

When you're feverishly sweating, making GBS threads, and vomiting 5-10 liters of water per day, you tend not to be ambulatory enough to rack up huge numbers of contacts to spread the disease to. In rural areas distance between small settlements may also help minimize contact networks.

Strongylocentrotus
Jan 24, 2007

Nab him, jab him, tab him, grab him - stop that pigeon NOW!

FAUXTON posted:

You still have to gently caress up on a level akin to sticking your arm in a vat of infected feces, I.e. loving up following BCP and wiping your contaminated gloves all over your arms/wiping your hands all over your contaminated apron.

That doesn't seem quite right given the current situation with the nurse in Dallas. Neither she nor the CDC have been able to pinpoint where, or even whether, there was a breach in protocol. Nancy Writebol also attested to not knowing how she got exposed Ebola while following safe practices. I don't think either of those cases involved fuckups as severe as what you described.

Otteration
Jan 4, 2014

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"I'm getting conflicting messages here. Here's what I've heard from this thread:

1) What you've posted above
2) 1-10 viruses are enough to cause infection
3) In the late stages of the disease, ebola patients lose liquids rapidly -- 5-10 liters per day according to what MIGF posted.
4) In a non-hospital environment, i.e. with no PPE, the *average* ebola patient will infect two others.

It doesn't seem possible for all four of those to be true. What am I missing?"

My Imaginary GF posted:

*median* R0 is 95% CI 2-3.55, from a phylogenetic analysis of transmision in rural settings with a limited sample size and an introductory event which was responsible for 14 cases detected by the study in Sierra Leone only.

My Imaginary GF posted:

*median* R0 is 95% CI 2-3.55

As a technical writer versed in high science and carborator rebuilding-with-duct-tape, audience-deaf responses like these make me giggle. So much useful information potential in this thread. So little of that useful information passed on. Not a specific gripe to MIGF - it is happening much in this thread and IRL (In Real Life) (<<see what I did there?). Might be part of the reason why The Media can't figure it all out too.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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I think MIGF is just an ebola news repost bot like ...! in the bitcoin threads, at this point

Grundulum
Feb 28, 2006

Otteration posted:

As a technical writer versed in high science and carborator rebuilding-with-duct-tape, audience-deaf responses like these make me giggle. So much useful information potential in this thread. So little of that useful information passed on. Not a specific gripe to MIGF - it is happening much in this thread and IRL (In Real Life) (<<see what I did there?). Might be part of the reason why The Media can't figure it all out too.

I do science, just not anything biology-related. So at least the answer made sense to the person who asked. :shobon:

Thanks to the three of you who responded.

Fruity Rudy
Oct 8, 2008

Taste The Rainbow!
It seems like there's a trend in online discussions to play armchair epidemiologist and claim definitively that the virus isn't easy to transmit without direct contact. This is not true. Persons without direct contact have been infected by the virus before. We do not have all the evidence on this current strain to claim anything definitive on how it's transmitted.

Humans have a tendency to create scenarios where a threat is only a danger to people who lack the knowledge or intelligence they possess. We see this in every comment section of a horrific crime or tragedy where people call out mistakes the victims must've made to find themselves meeting a gruesome death. There's an assumption that the victims made an error that they would simply avoid. There's also a subtle elitism in that claim that it requires direct contact. Quietly pushing the idea that this nurse in Dallas or all these West Africans would have avoided infection if only they weren't so dumb or careless. Conservatives do a similar trick on their mind when they see homeless people suffering. This tragedy only happened to that person because they made mistakes, mistakes that can obviously be avoided...

But here's the reality: We still really don't have enough data to be making definitive statements (despite what the CDC is confidently pronouncing) about transmission. And there's epidemiological evidence that at times the virus can defy known transmission methods.

The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy:

quote:

Health workers need optimal respiratory protection for Ebola

Healthcare workers play a very important role in the successful containment of outbreaks of infectious diseases like Ebola. The correct type and level of personal protective equipment (PPE) ensures that healthcare workers remain healthy throughout an outbreak—and with the current rapidly expanding Ebola outbreak in West Africa, it's imperative to favor more conservative measures.

The precautionary principle—that any action designed to reduce risk should not await scientific certainty—compels the use of respiratory protection for a pathogen like Ebola virus that has:

- No proven pre- or post-exposure treatment modalities
- A high case-fatality rate
- Unclear modes of transmission

We believe there is scientific and epidemiologic evidence that Ebola virus has the potential to be transmitted via infectious aerosol particles both near and at a distance from infected patients, which means that healthcare workers should be wearing respirators, not facemasks.1

The minimum level of protection in high-risk settings should be a respirator with an assigned protection factor greater than 10.
A powered air-purifying respirator (PAPR) with a hood or helmet offers many advantages over an N95 filtering facepiece or similar respirator, being more protective, comfortable, and cost-effective in the long run.

We strongly urge the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO) to seek funds for the purchase and transport of PAPRs to all healthcare workers currently fighting the battle against Ebola throughout Africa—and beyond.

There has been a lot of on-line and published controversy about whether Ebola virus can be transmitted via aerosols. Most scientific and medical personnel, along with public health organizations, have been unequivocal in their statements that Ebola can be transmitted only by direct contact with virus-laden fluids2,3 and that the only modes of transmission we should be concerned with are those termed "droplet" and "contact."

These statements are based on two lines of reasoning. The first is that no one located at a distance from an infected individual has contracted the disease, or the converse, every person infected has had (or must have had) "direct" contact with the body fluids of an infected person.

This reflects an incorrect and outmoded understanding of infectious aerosols, which has been institutionalized in policies, language, culture, and approaches to infection control. We will address this below. Briefly, however, the important points are that virus-laden bodily fluids may be aerosolized and inhaled while a person is in proximity to an infectious person and that a wide range of particle sizes can be inhaled and deposited throughout the respiratory tract.

The second line of reasoning is that respirators or other control measures for infectious aerosols cannot be recommended in developing countries because the resources, time, and/or understanding for such measures are lacking.4

Although there are some important barriers to the use of respirators, especially PAPRs, in developing countries, healthcare workers everywhere deserve and should be afforded the same best-practice types of protection, regardless of costs and resources. Every healthcare worker is a precious commodity whose well-being ensures everyone is protected.
p.

If we are willing to offer infected US healthcare workers expensive treatments and experimental drugs free of charge when most of the world has no access to them, we wonder why we are unwilling to find the resources to provide appropriate levels of comparatively less expensive respiratory protection to every healthcare worker around the world.

How are infectious diseases transmitted via aerosols?
Medical and infection control professionals have relied for years on a paradigm for aerosol transmission of infectious diseases based on very outmoded research and an overly simplistic interpretation of the data. In the 1940s and 50s, William F. Wells and other "aerobiologists" employed now significantly out-of-date sampling methods (eg, settling plates) and very blunt analytic approaches (eg, cell culturing) to understand the movement of bacterial aerosols in healthcare and other settings. Their work, though groundbreaking at the time, provides a very incomplete picture.

Early aerobiologists were not able to measure small particles near an infectious person and thus assumed such particles existed only far from the source. They concluded that organisms capable of aerosol transmission (termed "airborne") can only do so at around 3 feet or more from the source. Because they thought that only larger particles would be present near the source, they believed people would be exposed only via large "droplets" on their face, eyes, or nose.

Modern research, using more sensitive instruments and analytic methods, has shown that aerosols emitted from the respiratory tract contain a wide distribution of particle sizes—including many that are small enough to be inhaled.5,6 Thus, both small and large particles will be present near an infectious person.

The chance of large droplets reaching the facial mucous membranes is quite small, as the nasal openings are small and shielded by their external and internal structure. Although close contact may permit large-droplet exposure, it also maximizes the possibility of aerosol inhalation.

As noted by early aerobiologists, liquid in a spray aerosol, such as that generated during coughing or sneezing, will quickly evaporate,7 which increases the concentration of small particles in the aerosol. Because evaporation occurs in milliseconds, many of these particles are likely to be found near the infectious person.

The current paradigm also assumes that only "small" particles (less than 5 micrometers [mcm]) can be inhaled and deposited in the respiratory tract. This is not true. Particles as large as 100 mcm (and perhaps even larger) can be inhaled into the mouth and nose. Larger particles are deposited in the nasal passages, pharynx, and upper regions of the lungs, while smaller particles are more likely to deposit in the lower, alveolar regions. And for many pathogens, infection is possible regardless of the particle size or deposition site.

It's time to abandon the old paradigm of three mutually exclusive transmission routes for a new one that considers the full range of particle sizes both near and far from a source. In addition, we need to factor in other important features of infectivity, such as the ability of a pathogen to remain viable in air at room temperature and humidity and the likelihood that systemic disease can result from deposition of infectious particles in the respiratory system or their transfer to the gastrointestinal tract.

We recommend using "aerosol transmissible" rather than the outmoded terms "droplet" or "airborne" to describe pathogens that can transmit disease via infectious particles suspended in air.

Is Ebola an aerosol-transmissible disease?
We recently published a commentary on the CIDRAP site discussing whether Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) could be an aerosol-transmissible disease, especially in healthcare settings. We drew comparisons with a similar and more well-studied disease, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

For Ebola and other filoviruses, however, there is much less information and research on disease transmission and survival, especially in healthcare settings.

Being at first skeptical that Ebola virus could be an aerosol-transmissible disease, we are now persuaded by a review of experimental and epidemiologic data that this might be an important feature of disease transmission, particularly in healthcare settings.


What do we know about Ebola transmission?
No one knows for certain how Ebola virus is transmitted from one person to the next. The virus has been found in the saliva, stool, breast milk, semen, and blood of infected persons.8,9 Studies of transmission in Ebola virus outbreaks have identified activities like caring for an infected person, sharing a bed, funeral activities, and contact with blood or other body fluids to be key risk factors for transmission.10-12

On the basis of epidemiologic evidence, it has been presumed that Ebola viruses are transmitted by contaminated hands in contact with the mouth or eyes or broken skin or by splashes or sprays of body fluids into these areas. Ebola viruses appear to be capable of initiating infection in a variety of human cell types,13,14 but the primary portal or portals of entry into susceptible hosts have not been identified.

Some pathogens are limited in the cell type and location they infect. Influenza, for example, is generally restricted to respiratory epithelial cells, which explains why flu is primarily a respiratory infection and is most likely aerosol transmissible. HIV infects T-helper cells in the lymphoid tissues and is primarily a bloodborne pathogen with low probability for transmission via aerosols.

Ebola virus, on the other hand, is a broader-acting and more non-specific pathogen that can impede the proper functioning of macrophages and dendritic cells—immune response cells located throughout the epithelium.15,16 Epithelial tissues are found throughout the body, including in the respiratory tract. Ebola prevents these cells from carrying out their antiviral functions but does not interfere with the initial inflammatory response, which attracts additional cells to the infection site. The latter contribute to further dissemination of the virus and similar adverse consequences far beyond the initial infection site.

The potential for transmission via inhalation of aerosols, therefore, cannot be ruled out by the observed risk factors or our knowledge of the infection process. Many body fluids, such as vomit, diarrhea, blood, and saliva, are capable of creating inhalable aerosol particles in the immediate vicinity of an infected person. Cough was identified among some cases in a 1995 outbreak in Kikwit, Democratic Republic of the Congo,11 and coughs are known to emit viruses in respirable particles.17 The act of vomiting produces an aerosol and has been implicated in airborne transmission of gastrointestinal viruses.18,19 Regarding diarrhea, even when contained by toilets, toilet flushing emits a pathogen-laden aerosol that disperses in the air.20-22

Experimental work has shown that Marburg and Ebola viruses can be isolated from sera and tissue culture medium at room temperature for up to 46 days, but at room temperature no virus was recovered from glass, metal, or plastic surfaces.23 Aerosolized (1-3 mcm) Marburg, Ebola, and Reston viruses, at 50% to 55% relative humidity and 72°F, had biological decay rates of 3.04%, 3.06%. and 1.55% per minute, respectively. These rates indicate that 99% loss in aerosol infectivity would occur in 93, 104, and 162 minutes, respectively.23

In still air, 3-mcm particles can take up to an hour to settle. With air currents, these and smaller particles can be transported considerable distances before they are deposited on a surface.

There is also some experimental evidence that Ebola and other filoviruses can be transmitted by the aerosol route. Jaax et al24 reported the unexpected death of two rhesus monkeys housed approximately 3 meters from monkeys infected with Ebola virus, concluding that respiratory or eye exposure to aerosols was the only possible explanation.

Zaire Ebola viruses have also been transmitted in the absence of direct contact among pigs25 and from pigs to non-human primates,26 which experienced lung involvement in infection. Persons with no known direct contact with Ebola virus disease patients or their bodily fluids have become infected.12

Direct injection and exposure via a skin break or mucous membranes are the most efficient ways for Ebola to transmit. It may be that inhalation is a less efficient route of transmission for Ebola and other filoviruses, as lung involvement has not been reported in all non-human primate studies of Ebola aerosol infectivity.27 However, the respiratory and gastrointestinal systems are not complete barriers to Ebola virus. Experimental studies have demonstrated that it is possible to infect non-human primates and other mammals with filovirus aerosols.25-27

Altogether, these epidemiologic and experimental data offer enough evidence to suggest that Ebola and other filoviruses may be opportunistic with respect to aerosol transmission.28 That is, other routes of entry may be more important and probable, but, given the right conditions, it is possible that transmission could also occur via aerosols.

Guidance from the CDC and WHO recommends the use of facemasks for healthcare workers providing routine care to patients with Ebola virus disease and respirators when aerosol-generating procedures are performed. (Interestingly, the 1998 WHO and CDC infection-control guidance for viral hemorrhagic fevers in Africa, still available on the CDC Web site, recommends the use of respirators.)

Facemasks, however, do not offer protection against inhalation of small infectious aerosols, because they lack adequate filters and do not fit tightly against the face.1 Therefore, a higher level of protection is necessary.

Which respirator to wear?
As described in our earlier CIDRAP commentary, we can use a Canadian control-banding approach to select the most appropriate respirator for exposures to Ebola in healthcare settings.29 (See this document for a detailed description of the Canadian control banding approach and the data used to select respirators in our examples below.)

The control banding method involves the following steps:

Identify the organism's risk group (1 to 4). Risk group reflects the toxicity of an organism, including the degree and type of disease and whether treatments are available. Ebola is in risk group 4, the most toxic organisms, because it can cause serious human or animal disease, is easily transmitted, directly or indirectly, and currently has no effective treatments or preventive measures.
Identify the generation rate. The rate of aerosol generation reflects the number of particles created per time (eg, particles per second). Some processes, such as coughing, create more aerosols than others, like normal breathing. Some processes, like intubation and toilet flushing, can rapidly generate very large quantities of aerosols. The control banding approach assigns a qualitative rank ranging from low (1) to high (4) (eg, normal breathing without coughing has a rank of 1).

Identify the level of control. Removing contaminated air and replacing it with clean air, as accomplished with a ventilation system, is effective for lowering the overall concentration of infectious aerosol particles in a space, although it may not be effective at lowering concentration in the immediate vicinity of a source. The number of air changes per hour (ACH) reflects the rate of air removal and replacement. This is a useful variable, because it is relatively easy to measure and, for hospitals, reflects building code requirements for different types of rooms. Again, a qualitative ranking is used to reflect low (1) versus high (4) ACH. Even if the true ventilation rate is not known, the examples can be used to select an appropriate air exchange rate.
Identify the respirator assigned protection factor. Respirators are designated by their "class," each of which has an assigned protection factor (APF) that reflects the degree of protection. The APF represents the outside, environmental concentration divided by the inside, facepiece concentration. An APF of 10 means that the outside concentration of a particular contaminant will be 10 times greater than that inside the respirator. If the concentration outside the respirator is very high, an assigned protection factor of 10 may not prevent the wearer from inhaling an infective dose of a highly toxic organism.

Practical examples
Two examples follow. These assume that infectious aerosols are generated only during vomiting, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing, or similar high-energy emissions such as some medical procedures. It is possible that Ebola virus may be shed as an aerosol in other manners not considered.

Caring for a patient in the early stages of disease (no bleeding, vomiting, diarrhea, coughing, sneezing, etc). In this case, the generation rate is 1. For any level of control (less than 3 to more than 12 ACH), the control banding wheel indicates a respirator protection level of 1 (APF of 10), which corresponds to an air purifying (negative pressure) half-facepiece respirator such as an N95 filtering facepiece respirator. This type of respirator requires fit testing.

Caring for a patient in the later stages of disease (bleeding, vomiting, diarrhea, etc). If we assume the highest generation rate (4) and a standard patient room (control level = 2, 3-6 ACH), a respirator with an APF of at least 50 is needed. In the United States, this would be equivalent to either a full-facepiece air-purifying (negative-pressure) respirator or a half-facepiece PAPR (positive pressure), but standards differ in other countries. Fit testing is required for these types of respirators.

The control level (room ventilation) can have a big effect on respirator selection. For the same patient housed in a negative-pressure airborne infection isolation room (6-12 ACH), a respirator with an assigned protection factor of 25 is required. This would correspond in the United States to a PAPR with a loose-fitting facepiece or with a helmet or hood. This type of respirator does not need fit testing.

Implications for protecting health workers in Africa

Healthcare workers have experienced very high rates of morbidity and mortality in the past and current Ebola virus outbreaks. A facemask, or surgical mask, offers no or very minimal protection from infectious aerosol particles. As our examples illustrate, for a risk group 4 organism like Ebola, the minimum level of protection should be an N95 filtering facepiece respirator.

This type of respirator, however, would only be appropriate only when the likelihood of aerosol exposure is very low. For healthcare workers caring for many patients in an epidemic situation, this type of respirator may not provide an adequate level of protection.

For a risk group 4 organism, any activity that has the potential for aerosolizing liquid body fluids, such as medical or disinfection procedures, should be avoided, if possible. Our risk assessment indicates that a PAPR with a full facepiece (APF = 50) or a hood or helmet (APF = 25) would be a better choice for patient care during epidemic conditions.

We recognize that PAPRs present some logistical and infection-control problems. Batteries require frequent charging (which requires a reliable source of electricity), and the entire ensemble requires careful handling and disinfection between uses. A PAPR is also more expensive to buy and maintain than other types of respirators.

On the other hand, a PAPR with a loose-fitting facepiece (hood or helmet) does not require fit testing. Wearing this type of respirator minimizes the need for other types of PPE, such as head coverings and goggles. And, most important, it is much more comfortable to wear than a negative-pressure respirator like an N95, especially in hot environments.

A recent report from a Medecins Sans Frontieres healthcare worker in Sierra Leone30 notes that healthcare workers cannot tolerate the required PPE for more than 40 minutes. Exiting the workplace every 40 minutes requires removal and disinfection or disposal (burning) of all PPE. A PAPR would allow much longer work periods, use less PPE, require fewer doffing episodes, generate less infectious waste, and be more protective. In the long run, we suspect this type of protection could also be less expensive.

Adequate protection is essential

To summarize, for the following reasons we believe that Ebola could be an opportunistic aerosol-transmissible disease requiring adequate respiratory protection:

- Patients and procedures generate aerosols, and Ebola virus remains viable in aerosols for up to 90 minutes.
- All sizes of aerosol particles are easily inhaled both near to and far from the patient.
- Crowding, limited air exchange, and close interactions with patients all contribute to the probability that healthcare workers will be exposed to high concentrations of very toxic infectious aerosols.
- Ebola targets immune response cells found in all epithelial tissues, including in the respiratory and gastrointestinal system.
- Experimental data support aerosols as a mode of disease transmission in non-human primates.
- Risk level and working conditions suggest that a PAPR will be more protective, cost-effective, and comfortable than an N95 filtering facepiece respirator.


Acknowledgements

We thank Kathleen Harriman, PhD, MPH, RN, Chief, Vaccine Preventable Diseases Epidemiology Section, Immunization Branch, California Department of Public Health, and Nicole Vars McCullough, PhD, CIH, Manager, Global Technical Services, Personal Safety Division, 3M Company, for their input and review.


http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2014/09/commentary-health-workers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola

Fruity Rudy fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Oct 14, 2014

zimboe
Aug 3, 2012

FIRST EBOLA GOON AVOID ALL POSTS SPEWING EBLOA SHIT POSTS EVERWHERE
I'm literally retarded
It is said that asymptomatic infected are not (or minimally) contagious in a casual setting-such as an airplane. I accept this as true, or the data would be markedly different. But- what about more intimate contact?
The asymtomatic carrier must have some viral load- i.e. if you drew his blood and injected it, you would very likely become infected- the most intimate contact possible- the limiting case.

I apologize in advance for the fear-mongering I about to indulge in.

Consider the following scenario:

Joe Truckdriver is hauling a truckload of say, lumber somewhere. It's a long run. He is infected, but asymtomatic. Maybe he is feeling a little crappy, on the threshold of fever- but he won't let that stop him- he has a load to deliver and wants to get paid.

He hauls out at a truck stop and rents a room for the night. He also rents one of the prostitutes that are ubiquitous at such stops. In intimate non-casual contact, he infects her, despite being without obvious signs of illness or disability.
Next day he moves on-next night the same routine. He makes 2000 miles before he finally has to pull over, unable to continue.
Meanwhile, the hooker(s) eventually infects other drivers- the E riding along in the trucks, a malign and hidden hitchhiker, following the roads of Africa as though they were arteries, spreading with the commerce and the comfort women.
Eventually it reaches the Kinshasa Highway-which spans much of Africa east to west.

It is thought this is how HIV spread so far and so fast and why Kinshasa Highway is called the "AIDS Highway" in some accounts.
...
Q1. Any data on infectivity by asymptomatics in non-casual settings such as sex, sharing needles (surely), etc?

Q2. Did TED have sex with his girlfriend? If so, how is she?

Q3. How would we tell if this route of transmission is occurring? What signature in the distribution would reveal this?

Q4. Is there a window just before symptoms appear that an asymptomatic may become contagious due to viral load (maybe only hours wide)?
...
One sick but busy whore at the right (wrong) place could wreak havoc.

e: puntc. prosody
e2: this is an MIGF-type question.

zimboe fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Oct 14, 2014

The North Tower
Aug 20, 2007

You should throw it in the ocean.
So is the nurse that got infected the same one who he met with the first time he went to the hospital?

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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The North Tower posted:

So is the nurse that got infected the same one who he met with the first time he went to the hospital?
I don't think it is, though that WOULD be kind of ironic.

I ask yet again, does anyone know what the infected/not status of TED's family are?

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Nessus posted:

I don't think it is, though that WOULD be kind of ironic.

I ask yet again, does anyone know what the infected/not status of TED's family are?

Under quarantine at this time. Presumably, they would be under isolation should they exhibit symptoms. Asymptomatic infection is possible; to gather sufficient data, I'd recommend testing all known contacts.

What will be really interesting is whether the nurse's husband develops an infection, and to what extent they exchanged bodily fluids during the nurse's incubation period.

E:

The North Tower posted:

So is the nurse that got infected the same one who he met with the first time he went to the hospital?

I'm still trying to find somewhere that has uploaded all of Duncan's released medical records online. I'd be interested to read those and see all recorded instances of this nurse's name popping up.

zimboe
Aug 3, 2012

FIRST EBOLA GOON AVOID ALL POSTS SPEWING EBLOA SHIT POSTS EVERWHERE
I'm literally retarded

My Imaginary GF posted:

What will be really interesting is whether the nurse's husband develops an infection, and to what extent they exchanged bodily fluids during the nurse's incubation period.

See my post above about intimate vs. casual contact among asymtomatic carriers.

b2n
Dec 29, 2005
Someone reported this way earlier (maybe incorrectly) but one Ebola patient in Germany has died, reportedly just tonight

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

b2n posted:

Someone reported this way earlier (maybe incorrectly) but one Ebola patient in Germany has died, reportedly just tonight

:smith: Medical evacuations to German: 1-2, or, new case?

E:

http://m.mdr.de/nachrichten/ebola-patient-leipzig-tot100.html#mobilredirect

Sudanese medical evacuation. I wonder, related to the Sudanese case involved with the outbreak occuring within the UN military deployment?

zimboe posted:

See my post above about intimate vs. casual contact among asymtomatic carriers.

I did, I wonder if they had sex during that time since kissing is a given and likely ruled out. Hopefully ruled out.

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Oct 14, 2014

zimboe
Aug 3, 2012

FIRST EBOLA GOON AVOID ALL POSTS SPEWING EBLOA SHIT POSTS EVERWHERE
I'm literally retarded
The HCW need something more like those full spacesuits, that can be completely drenched in poison before the disrobement process.
They deserve the best available- they are the front line in this war.
And a war it is.

zimboe fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Oct 14, 2014

b2n
Dec 29, 2005

My Imaginary GF posted:

:smith: Medical evacuations to German: 1-2, or, new case?
According to the news site Germany is 1 (healed) - 1 (still in the hospital) - 1 (dead)

As I said earlier, this death seemed to have been reported in this thread prematurely because apparently he just died a few hours ago

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

b2n posted:

According to the news site Germany is 1 (healed) - 1 (still in the hospital) - 1 (dead)

As I said earlier, this death seemed to have been reported in this thread prematurely because apparently he just died a few hours ago

Hm. Help me with my German, is "Patienten" the plural form of "Patient"?

E:

"Bei dem nach Leipzig gebrachten Patienten handelt es sich den Angaben zufolge um einen 56-jährigen Mann aus dem Sudan, der sich bei seiner Arbeit in Liberia mit dem oft tödlichen Virus infiziert hatte. Es befinde sich in einem "stabilen, aber extrem kritischen Zustand", sagte der Leitende Oberarzt, Thomas Grünewald."

From the initial description of the medical evacuation, via: http://mobil.n-tv.de/panorama/Leipziger-Ebola-Patient-geht-es-schlecht-article13755081.html

\/\/\/\/ Ah, wasn't sure if this was Liepzig's second patient or not. Thanks for clearing that up.

My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Oct 14, 2014

Armed Neutrality
May 8, 2006

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My Imaginary GF posted:

Hm. Help me with my German, is "Patienten" the plural form of "Patient"?

E:

"Bei dem nach Leipzig gebrachten Patienten handelt es sich den Angaben zufolge um einen 56-jährigen Mann aus dem Sudan, der sich bei seiner Arbeit in Liberia mit dem oft tödlichen Virus infiziert hatte. Es befinde sich in einem "stabilen, aber extrem kritischen Zustand", sagte der Leitende Oberarzt, Thomas Grünewald."

From the initial description of the medical evacuation, via: http://mobil.n-tv.de/panorama/Leipziger-Ebola-Patient-geht-es-schlecht-article13755081.html

Not in this case, no. They're referring to the one guy.

Basically:

The patient that was brought to Leipzig is a 56 y.o. man from Sudan who became infected with the often deadly virus while working in Liberia. Currently he's in a stable but extremely critical condition, says the head doctor.

Armed Neutrality fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Oct 14, 2014

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Armed Neutrality posted:

Not in this case, no. They're referring to the one guy.

Basically:

The patient that was brought to Leipzig is a 56 y.o. man from Sudan who became infected with the often deadly virus while working in Liberia. Currently he's in a stable but extremely critical condition, says the head doctor.

Ah, well, I thought it was plural because this is the second patient in Liepzig, the first being an Ugandan doctor.

quote:

"The patient is a physician from Uganda, who has worked for an Italian NGO and has looked after patients in Sierra Leone," Stefan Gruettner, Health Minister of the state of Hesse said. The patient's name was not disclosed."

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-patient-arrives-germany-sierra-leone-local-officials-090653305--finance.html

Still in treatment, which seems outside the 11-16 day period for fatal cases, so here's hoping for convalescence.

Grim Up North
Dec 12, 2011

My Imaginary GF posted:

Ah, well, I thought it was plural because this is the second patient in Liepzig, the first being an Ugandan doctor.


http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-patient-arrives-germany-sierra-leone-local-officials-090653305--finance.html

Still in treatment, which seems outside the 11-16 day period for fatal cases, so here's hoping for convalescence.

No, Leipzig lies in the federal state of Saxony, the Health Minister of Hesse is referring to the patient in Frankfurt:

One patient was treated in Hamburg and was discharged healthy after five weeks, one is still being treated in Frankfurt and one died in Leizpig. That's the three ebola patients in Germany till now.

"dem Patienten" is the dative case.

e: since I looked it up now: The patient in Frankfurt is treated in a BSL-3 setting not the BSL-2 or whatever the hell they are doing in Dallas or Texas de Europa.



quote:

Well-developed safety measures
Patients carrying highly contagious diseases, such as Ebola, are not treated on regular wards, but rather on a dedicated isolation ward located in a separate building. Infectious agents are retained within these rooms. The isolation ward is airtight and the circulating air is filtered. All objects, items of clothing and equipment that have entered the room are either meticulously disinfected or destroyed. The isolation ward has dedicated and specifically trained staff who exclusively takes care of the patients admitted to this ward. To ensure their safety, staff members wear protective clothing consisting of full body suits, helmets, boots and special gloves. Upon leaving the isolation room, they are showered still fully geared with disinfectant and then, with the aid of specifically trained colleagues, remove their protective clothing in a set procedure. As a result of the conditions under which the isolation ward operates, there is no threat of any infectious agent escaping to the surrounding environment.

http://www.kgu.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/article/2014/10/03/ebola-patient-to-be-treated-at-the-university-hospital-frankfurt-germany.html

Grim Up North fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Oct 14, 2014

b2n
Dec 29, 2005

Grim Up North posted:

quote:

Upon leaving the isolation room, they are showered still fully geared with disinfectant and then, with the aid of specifically trained colleagues, remove their protective clothing in a set procedure
Sounds like the Germans got their poo poo together when it comes to Ebola. It would probably be smart to redirect patients to Germany that were originally planned to arrive in Spain, Greece etc.

MeLKoR
Dec 23, 2004

by FactsAreUseless

Note to self "5 gallon water jugs are a must have of any ghetto suit".

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TehSaurus
Jun 12, 2006

The North Tower posted:

So is the nurse that got infected the same one who he met with the first time he went to the hospital?

It seems unlikely to me, but not impossible. Nurses are assigned to specific wards and while it is possible that the nurse was floating to ER from MICU the night this guy showed up, it's pretty unlikely. They might have made a special effort to limit this patients contacts and asked staff from the ER visit to attend in ICU, but that seems unwise given that the care settings are quite different.

Grim Up North posted:

e: since I looked it up now: The patient in Frankfurt is treated in a BSL-3 setting not the BSL-2 or whatever the hell they are doing in Dallas or Texas de Europa.

I'm familiar with a hospital (near-ish to Dallas) and it is not at all equipped to handle such an infection despite being a level 1 trauma facility. No PPE coach, no antechambers for donning/doffing, and yet the hospital has already declared to staff it would be accepting patients. They're offering training (videos) on ebola, but given some of the other issues they have I'm sure it will fall well short of what is reasonable/required.

I am not filled with confidence.

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