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I'm going to be playing Claptrap in 2-player Co-op. Which tree should I use? The middle tree looks like full-on support. While the high five skill looks funny, I'm not sure how useful the tree is. The left tree reminds me of Gaige's anarchy tree a little, which I like, but otherwise seems boring. Right looks like it could either be really fun or absolutely terrible.
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Claptrap is one of the most damaging characters. This isn't surprising to me, really, I guess. The far right tree with various subroutines seems like a rather terrible tree given the 'random' nature of it, but the last tier of skills pretty much give you complete control over the frag stacks, which means with Tripleclocking and slam/melee/grenades you can pretty much keep a subroutine going indefinitely, playing an edge case with slam/tripleclocking to get increased damage for that particular subroutine, or playing it safe with higher frag stacks to keep the bonuses. Combined with his one shot wonder and other amazing abilities you can unload a full sniper rifle clip into someone's head with the sniper rifle subroutine and tripleclocking and pretty much loving destroy everything. I'm convinced that this is the 'correct' way to play Claptrap in this mode, as he doesn't need to breath, so can 'slam' with impunity with no negative effects. Those who have a hard time coming to grips with Claptrap are missing out on one of the most fun, powerful characters out there.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:19
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Oct 15, 2014 22:21
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Eonwe posted:I feel like its just how Anthony Burch writes. He isn't subtle at all. I don't think it was some secret agenda to get on the winning side of "the gays." Ey I didn't know you got this. Also is this unlocking at midnight GMT?
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Oct 15, 2014 22:25
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Alteisen posted:Me being gay doesn't define me, its simply a small part of who I am as a whole, the problem with these characters is that they have the subtlety of a brick to the face. You don't discover that they're gay through interactions with them or doing quests, its practically the first thing they tell you. Its cool they're being inclusive but be more subtle about it, otherwise it comes off as pandering. Torgue's line was hilarious in part because I knew it would make certain people really mad (I checked 4chan and yep)
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Oct 15, 2014 22:33
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Kaubocks posted:Oh no, I was planning on playing as Athena because I like melee and elemental damage but my favorite thing to do in BL2 was play Maya and poo poo out as many bullets as fast as possible. Now I'm completely torn. Athena is probably what you want, her elemental tree benefits from rapid fire weapons and making GBS threads out bullets. Nisha isn't as much about elemental damage as she is about plain normal DPS and skirmishing. It's just that Nisha does not have the option of those support roles, she is all about shooting and nothing else. You COULD play as just a shooty shoot Athena if you wanted.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:33
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Aleksei Vasiliev posted:Nothing in Borderlands is subtle. All the characters are completely open about wanting to murder people, might as well be open about sexuality. I agree with Alt's logic, but if it gets the little 15 year-old misogynists on 4chan mad, then keep on keepin' on, Gearbox.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:42
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Athena feels very BL1 Lilith to me at times since she can just go invincible for a duration to get all her hp + shields back, along with shooting out a bananas amount of elemental damage with rapid firing weapons. If that one legendary fire SMG is back, the one that stacks its elemental DoT infinitely, that will be downright ridiculous, since DoT ticks also build maelstrom stacks for her.
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Skandranon posted:Athena is probably what you want, her elemental tree benefits from rapid fire weapons and making GBS threads out bullets. Nisha isn't as much about elemental damage as she is about plain normal DPS and skirmishing. It's just that Nisha does not have the option of those support roles, she is all about shooting and nothing else. You COULD play as just a shooty shoot Athena if you wanted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Nisha actually kind of wants to avoid elemental damage because the +gun damage bonus on Showdown and some of her skills doesn't affect elemental damage, correct? I know she has at least one skill that is explicitly for non elemental damage.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:47
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Alteisen posted:Also Torque's line about about friendzoning is a misogynist way of looking at relationships was cringe inducing. I actually kind of like that a character who looks like a one-joke Macho Man Randy Savage knock-off is also super progressive about relationships and COMPLETELY UNSUBTLE about, well, anything.  I think the biggest problem with the writing in Borderlands is whenever they try to get serious about death. In a universe that treats life as completely disposable (underlined by the New-Us and vending machines that spew deadly weapons) it inevitably comes off as a whiplash-inducing shift in tone.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:49
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Crazy Larry posted:Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Nisha actually kind of wants to avoid elemental damage because the +gun damage bonus on Showdown and some of her skills doesn't affect elemental damage, correct? I know she has at least one skill that is explicitly for non elemental damage. I'm playing Nisha as basically a Jakobs customer service representative going down the middle tree taking as many +damage and +reload speed skills as possible and so far the outlook is promising. Desperado seems like the preferred class mod for this. That Torgue-mode gamechanger in the middle looks really fun.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:52
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"Nothing is more badass than treating a woman with respect! "
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Oct 15, 2014 22:53
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Speaking of Torgue, it always confuses me that it's actually the Tediore guns that are grenades when you reload them. Torgue needs to stage a buyout.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:53
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Jsor posted:Speaking of Torgue, it always confuses me that it's actually the Tediore guns that are grenades when you reload them. Torgue needs to stage a buyout. I could just be making up memories, but wasn't the reload originally part of the Torgue traits? I recall reading that it was added to the Tediore line instead because just having fast reloads was underwhelming for a gun company.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:56
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Solartide posted:I could just be making up memories, but wasn't the reload originally part of the Torgue traits? I recall reading that it was added to the Tediore line instead because just having fast reloads was underwhelming for a gun company. Tediore's gimmick is their guns are cheap and disposable so while they might not put out the damage of other brands you can just throw the empty gun away and digistruct a new one. I think its less Rorgue-boom and more antiseptic self-cleansing boom.
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Oct 15, 2014 22:59
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Clearly the Tediore company is an offshoot of the Torgue corporation.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:00
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Can I get an invite to the Bordergoons group too? https://steamcommunity.com/id/kalis004
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Oct 15, 2014 23:01
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Solartide posted:I could just be making up memories, but wasn't the reload originally part of the Torgue traits? I recall reading that it was added to the Tediore line instead because just having fast reloads was underwhelming for a gun company. Nah, it was always supposed to be Tediore. Since they are really cheap that it's easier to just throw it away instead of reloading it. Also there's the whole meta joke that people always tossed Tediore guns in the first game.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:01
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Party Boat posted:I actually kind of like that a character who looks like a one-joke Macho Man Randy Savage knock-off is also super progressive about relationships and COMPLETELY UNSUBTLE about, well, anything. Yeah this is how I see it. The hamfisted approach to story telling in these games really suits a character like Torgue and I will continue to enjoy him until it gets played out. Also if MRAs are actually getting riled by it then all the better.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:06
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I had the 16th as my mental release date on Steam for this but it says 1 day 2 hours. That's the 17th. 
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Oct 15, 2014 23:06
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Reiley posted:Tediore's gimmick is their guns are cheap and disposable so while they might not put out the damage of other brands you can just throw the empty gun away and digistruct a new one. I think its less Rorgue-boom and more antiseptic self-cleansing boom. In Borderlands 1, Tediore weapons were stated to be very simply designed and meant to be easily reloaded, so all Tediore guns in that game had high reload speed boosts. Borderlands 2 reimagined them into the "Wal-Mart of guns" with the idea of disposable firearms. I've been playing Wilhelm so far and finally unlocked his cyber-arm. So far the robo punch can one-shot most anything. Need to invest in some badass ranks into his melee damage.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:09
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Jibo posted:Yeah this is how I see it. The hamfisted approach to story telling in these games really suits a character like Torgue and I will continue to enjoy him until it gets played out. Borderlands is really just about character interactions for me. I don't really care whatever the gently caress the stupid overarching plot is. I'm curious to see how it turns out, but it's not a big deal. I mostly just like to see mostly one-note wacky characters play off each other. Tiny Tina, Torgue, and Moxxi kind of play into that (though I guess they tried to develop Moxxi a bit more). Sometimes they're really good, sometimes they're really bad. I think the worst thing I can say about the Pre-Sequel is that for the most part the characters are neither good nor bad. They're just mediocre.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:10
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Reiley posted:I'm playing Nisha as basically a Jakobs customer service representative going down the middle tree taking as many +damage and +reload speed skills as possible and so far the outlook is promising. Desperado seems like the preferred class mod for this. That Torgue-mode gamechanger in the middle looks really fun. Nisha seems almost unfair after playing as Zero and the Gunzerker in borderlands 2. Apart from one boss fight where I didn't get the mechanic at first, I haven't died once to enemy fire. Her active is on a 15 second cooldown (less for me now) and once you get the hang of switching targets, you can generally clear out the entire room in seconds through the iron sights.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:13
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So where my console goons at?
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Caros posted:Nisha seems almost unfair after playing as Zero and the Gunzerker in borderlands 2. Apart from one boss fight where I didn't get the mechanic at first, I haven't died once to enemy fire. Her active is on a 15 second cooldown (less for me now) and once you get the hang of switching targets, you can generally clear out the entire room in seconds through the iron sights. I sort of wish her skill was just the powerup stuff because the autoaim on top of it feels like it trivializes everything, like I just press F and the encounter is over.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:41
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First time playing boarderlands. Do I have to go around opening all the loot containers? This is worse than wolfenstein and having to spam E for everything.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:43
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r0ck0 posted:First time playing boarderlands. Do I have to go around opening all the loot containers? This is worse than wolfenstein and having to spam E for everything.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:54
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r0ck0 posted:First time playing boarderlands. Do I have to go around opening all the loot containers? This is worse than wolfenstein and having to spam E for everything. Well, it depends. Most containers contain Ammo and/or health, or some cash. If you dont need anything don't grab them. Careful about missing those that give guns tho.
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Oct 15, 2014 23:58
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I found BL2, especially the end, insanely frustrating when playing solo. How is the solo vs coop balancing in this game?
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Alteisen posted:Also Torque's line about about friendzoning is a misogynist way of looking at relationships was cringe inducing. Agreed. I agree about the friendzone thing being dumb whiny bullshit, but it felt out of place because previously the dude was getting upset over how lasers don't explode and now he's talking about this stuff? It's not even done in a funny way. It's like the line got inserted into a previously existing joke because the writers felt compelled to put it in there as a petty take-that to dudes who use r/redpill or other stupid MRA poo poo. It's funny that people are getting super mad over this lame joke, though.
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Oct 16, 2014 00:12
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Both moments are several years apart though. Torgue has grown and matured since then.
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Oct 16, 2014 00:17
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"I'll be the one shooting lasers out of my eyes when you're dying of turbocancer." Wilhelm 
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Genocyber posted:"I'll be the one shooting lasers out of my eyes when you're dying of turbocancer." TURBO cancer?
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SunAndSpring posted:Agreed. I agree about the friendzone thing being dumb whiny bullshit, but it felt out of place because previously the dude was getting upset over how lasers don't explode and now he's talking about this stuff? It's not even done in a funny way. It's like the line got inserted into a previously existing joke because the writers felt compelled to put it in there as a petty take-that to dudes who use r/redpill or other stupid MRA poo poo. Oh no, the kiddies are growing up and learning that borderlands has alot of cheap jokes? Enjoy it for what it is you dopes.
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Dalael posted:Careful about missing those that give guns tho. And the gun/gear ones are really obvious (though lockers often have pistols.) They're big giant chests that are usually big gray or white blocks or rounded red ones.
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Oct 16, 2014 00:37
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Maybe I'm being a babby but this game is exhausting the gently caress out of my mouse hand  I think it's all the vertical camera swinging I'm not used to in FPSes.
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Tx2005 posted:I found BL2, especially the end, insanely frustrating when playing solo. How is the solo vs coop balancing in this game? I had the same problem when trying to solo and coop the DLC's with my GF. We simply couldnt kill some of the bosses no matter how often or hard we tried. We ended up giving up trying by ourselves and got 2 more players in. I just hope this one isn't like that.
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I beat the game and there was no Krieg cameo 0/10 worst game ever just kidding i liked it a lot 9/10
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Oct 16, 2014 01:24
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Ddraig posted:Claptrap has the Krieg cameo. I only got the Meat Unicycle action package like 3 times in the whole 20 hours I played But I did kill like, all of the end game bosses with pirate ship cannonballs so that pretty much made up for it.
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