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You know that Putin order to end "training" next to Ukrainian border? Breedlove says "no major movement".
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The cartoonist is a lot hotter.
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Oct 15, 2014 15:52
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Oct 15, 2014 21:09
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:
I have a friend (Jesus Christ, I said this so many times in this thread, I wouldn't blame you if you thought I was making this up) who is the president of a local football fan club and generally knows a whole lot about ultras. As everywhere else many ultras are nationalists and borderline nazi, so the main question that concerns them is who is the real puppet of Zionists: Putin or Poroshenko. From what I've been told, there's a 50/50 split. The thing that really sparked a heated discussion is Belarusian team's captain who said that singing 'Putin - Khuilo' was in poor taste. It wasn't unheard of to see two fans who support their with different banners (the white-red-white of the opposition and the official red and green) getting into a fight, but now the situation is getting progressively more out of hand. Basically, it's not all 'peace, friendship, bubblegum' as the article suggests. E: I'm really a bit paranoid that my posting might look suspicious, as I tend to post on some pretty minor events usually disagreeing with articles or whatever. But it's just because I have nothing to contribute to discussions on more important and complex topics, I swear. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Oct 15, 2014 |
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Oct 15, 2014 22:47
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:An appointed insurgent minister of culture in Luhansk has demanded a Ukrainian writer and cartoonist be put to death for cartoons making fun of some very hot, spicy photos that have surfaced of her on the internet. Allahu Akbar!
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Paladinus posted:I have a friend (Jesus Christ, I said this so many times in this thread, I wouldn't blame you if you thought I was making this up) who is the president of a local football fan club and generally knows a whole lot about ultras. As everywhere else many ultras are nationalists and borderline nazi, so the main question that concerns them is who is the real puppet of Zionists: Putin or Poroshenko. From what I've been told, there's a 50/50 split. The thing that really sparked a heated discussion is Belarusian team's captain who said that singing 'Putin - Khuilo' was in poor taste. It wasn't unheard of to see two fans who support their with different banners (the white-red-white of the opposition and the official red and green) getting into a fight, but now the situation is getting progressively more out of hand. Basically, it's not all 'peace, friendship, bubblegum' as the article suggests. I enjoy any contribution you make, and would love to see you post more. It doesn't all have to be about Putin and Poroshenko, or what part of the Donetsk airport is reduced to rubble today. I'm surprised that there hasn't been more influence from Ukraine spilling into Belarus and causing tension between people who don't like Lukashenko and people who like him or are indifferent. I think the third group is the largest.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:I enjoy any contribution you make, and would love to see you post more. It doesn't all have to be about Putin and Poroshenko, or what part of the Donetsk airport is reduced to rubble today. I'm surprised that there hasn't been more influence from Ukraine spilling into Belarus and causing tension between people who don't like Lukashenko and people who like him or are indifferent. I think the third group is the largest. Many people don't like Lukashenko because he's a 'kolkhoznik', a country yokel, and Putin attracts them as a very educated and charismatic leader in comparison, who still holds a vague anti-Western traditionalist position. Those are usually older people who are nostalgic towards USSR or younger people of pan-Slavic persuasions. Generally the youth are more anti-Putin as well as anti-Lukashenko, of course, especially students. Still, I would say that people despise the opposition more than Lukashenko. It is both due to heavy propaganda demonising anyone who is remotely liberal and/or nationalistic, and the fact that a substantial amount of leaders and activists are in it for money. I know a guy (sorry), who's joined a certain human rights group essentially to attend free seminars in Europe and shag impressionable activist girls, and he's pretty open about it, too, because he's not in the minority with this position. All in all, unless people are seriously involved in political activism or, indeed, ultras movements or similar subcultures, this conflict is not that visible. There's also a very real fear that something similar to Ukrainian events may happen in Belarus. Both opposition leaders and the government understand that Belarusian public are averse to the very idea of an armed uprising no matter if it's anti- or pro-, so both sides try to be less up-front with calls for action.
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Part of the reason I like reading Belarusian news - to see if Batka stuck his foot in his mouth again. That and his wife doesn't live with him and is not the mother of that boy who is attached at the hip to him. No politician in the US would stay in office if he did that. Stuff like that floors me. I wonder how people put up with that and re elect the guy over and over again. NATO's playing that B side again, "Russia didn't withdraw from Ukraine." http://raycomcbs.worldnow.com/story/26796857/no-proof-of-russian-withdrawal-near-ukraine-nato-leader-says
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Part of the reason I like reading Belarusian news - to see if Batka stuck his foot in his mouth again. That and his wife doesn't live with him and is not the mother of that boy who is attached at the hip to him. No politician in the US would stay in office if he did that. Stuff like that floors me. I wonder how people put up with that and re elect the guy over and over again.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Part of the reason I like reading Belarusian news - to see if Batka stuck his foot in his mouth again. That and his wife doesn't live with him and is not the mother of that boy who is attached at the hip to him. No politician in the US would stay in office if he did that. Stuff like that floors me. I wonder how people put up with that and re elect the guy over and over again. You mean no democrat would stay in office. Sandford of Argentina still has a job. E: Also I call BS on Paladinus having friends.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Part of the reason I like reading Belarusian news - to see if Batka stuck his foot in his mouth again. That and his wife doesn't live with him and is not the mother of that boy who is attached at the hip to him. No politician in the US would stay in office if he did that. Stuff like that floors me. I wonder how people put up with that and re elect the guy over and over again. *coughcough*blagojevich*cough* Oh, wow, sorry. Been working through a cold what with the weather change, sorry for interrupting, please continue. katlington posted:Sandford of Argentina still has a job. Him, too. Constiutents are stupid. People be dumb, y'all. They dumb. We dumb.
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So Vice has been quiet for a while. I wonder what's up.
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Willie Tomg posted:*coughcough*blagojevich*cough* Oh, wow, sorry. Been working through a cold what with the weather change, sorry for interrupting, please continue. None of those guys will ever be president. We don't elect people like that president. Edwards, for example. I think Vice has shifted focus to Daesh in the Middle East, which is understandable. Not much has changed in Ukraine for a few weeks.
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If you understand Dutch Nieuwsuur has just posted a pretty lengthy piece on Bellingcat's work on MH17 here, which should also be on tonight's show assuming there's no news events that bumps it off the show. I don't actually know what they are saying beyond the bits I'm talking about, so any translation would be good. I note at 1:50 they visit the spot in Torez where we geolocated the Buk launcher too, cool to see that on film finally.
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The first half is basically them recounting your reconstruction of the buk's journey before the crash, interspaced with an interview with an intelligence guy (worked police & espionage department of dutch ministry of interior) (who basically says that A. images can be suggestive and maintain caution before attaching a narrative to them B. government agencies have other resources in addition to internet sources C. Government agencies (police & justice) can't afford to respond to every small piece of internet research, as it interferes with the investigation. Second part is recounting the russian version of events (that the plane was destroyed by a Ukranian jet), that the russian version of events is getting traction in the area surrounding the crash site, that they tried to check both theories but that their journalists were not allowed to carry out their research freely. They had to report themselves to the HQ of the separatists in (can't transcribe the name of town, Chiznojeh?). Said HQ happens to have been in the same street as where the Buk was spotted (7:20). They get an escort, and they have not been able to find eyewitnesses. They end with "whether or not the truth will ever become known remains to be seen". All in all very neutral. There is subjective language that casts some doubt on the russian version of events but they don't try to dispute the russian talking points (nor bellingcat for that matter). edit: I should add that the first part where they recount the buk's journey is also used as a commentary on the "internet-research" that bellingcat's a part of - they make sure to detail where and how bellingcat was able to analyze the location of the vehicle based on internet video/photos: google street view, time stamps, shadows, etc... . The intelligence officer mostly functioned as a "this is how we work differently from them". double nine fucked around with this message at 15:59 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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The town at the end is Snizhne, the street sign they show is the same place we said the Buk was spotted, and the same style of buildings are visible in their footage (not to say it's the exact same place)
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double nine posted:Chiznojeh? Edit: Welp.
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There's a half decent translation of the piece here.
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http://atocrimea.ukrinform.ua/en/publication/new-system-to-combat-corruption Sounds good on paper, let's see how it turns out.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:15
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New Ukrainian Army advert:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYX7KVEtfLo Needless to say they've improved since 2008 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZV7FqxoKj4
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That's really impressive work- better than contemporary releases from countries with much larger budgets. Can anyone translate it? vvvv My bad. drat, that's nice structural contrast. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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It has English subtitles, hit the CC button
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Really good advert, much better than the laughable attempts of my (western) country
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I like that it doesn't play up the machismo element of the military. And it's a perfectly chosen message that's more poignant than straight patriotism — the war that MUST be fought. There's something the US hasn't had in a while.
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I'm guessing there's a little more pressure on the quality of the advert when it's for an army currently at war. They're not dealing in metaphors like a marine stabbing a dragon with a sword, the artillery explosions and getting gutshot are pretty much previews of what to expect. I have to imagine the pressure to join the army if you're a young Ukrainian man must be pretty high at the moment, it's not hard to make the case for this being an existential struggle, especially if you live anywhere in the prospective "Novorossiya" and aren't interested in that becoming a reality. Then again there seem to be plenty of militias and volunteer groups floating around both sides of the conflict as well, it'd be interesting to know more about their numbers, how they recruit and what they're up to. Give it a few years and this war looks like it'll provide a wealth of interesting material to study.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:None of those guys will ever be president. We don't elect people like that president. Edwards, for example. Bullshit- John Kennedy. Let the derail commence...
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sparatuvs posted:New Ukrainian Army advert:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYX7KVEtfLo I LOVE the old ad. Resident evil live action + community channel.
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sparatuvs posted:New Ukrainian Army advert:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYX7KVEtfLo That equipment for the infantry seems a bit better than what I recall from earlier in the year.
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Berke Negri posted:That equipment for the infantry seems a bit better than what I recall from earlier in the year. The prominent, yet non-obvious display of the equipment (such as that mounted rocket launcher) is very much by design.
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Anecdote about Putin, Yushchenko, Lukashenko and coal (russian) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlJpr41YQm8 Old but still actual 
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Russian troops are advancing toward Mariupol. http://inforesist.org/rossiya-nachala-perebrosku-vojsk-po-napravleniyu-k-mariupolyu/ quote:Continuing concentration of Russian-terrorist troops near the village of Novoazovsk towards Mariupol. Railway in Kharkiv was blown up. http://interfax.com.ua/news/general/229206.html quote:On Friday night on the stretch of "Water-Kolomak" (Kolomak district of Kharkiv region), an explosion occurred, which resulted in the damaged railway track, cut short contact network and shattered windows in the locomotive. Lukashenko says a thing  http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/10/17/7041099/ quote:President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko believes that the self-proclaimed "republic" in eastern Ukraine could not exist without the support of Russia. Putin, Poroshenko and Merkel having breakfast this morning in Milan.  http://en.ria.ru/politics/20141017/194192950/Breakfast-Meeting-of-Putin-Poroshenko-Other-European-Leaders.html
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Russian troops are advancing toward Mariupol. So how do these meetings go? Does everyone just pretend they're not aware of what's going on? How does Poroshenko refrain from jamming a fork into Putin's eye socket?
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I find it interesting that all the eastern european countries (Baltics, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria...) have been kept away from these talks.
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Mokotow posted:I find it interesting that all the eastern european countries (Baltics, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria...) have been kept away from these talks.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:Germany and Russia obviously know what's best for Eastern Europe. Where have we heard that before, hmm...
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You missed some of the best Batka quotes. He also stated out that part of Russia used to belong to Belarus, and complained about how lots of refugees from Donbass don't want to work, and that they should be more like those hard working Western Ukrainians. Oh, and he said Right Sector was originally funded by Yanukovich. (But also did quite a bit of his usual maneuvering) https://twitter.com/belamova is live blogging his press-conference. Edit: as is https://twitter.com/belpartisan
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awesome-express posted:Technically the Baltics are North European 
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http://news.tut.by/politics/419983.html Lukashenko held a press-conference for Russian journalists. Bat'ka posted:... I sincerely tell everyone who goes on about how Khrustchev cocked everything up and gave Crimea away to Ukraine for no reason, so it's alright to take it back, I tell them it's not a good reason at all. It's absolutely unjustified that one country threatens territorial integrity of another country, the integrity that was guaranteed [by European leaders and Russia], and takes a part of this country away. He then proceeds to blame current Ukrainian government for not fighting for Crimea and letting the situation get even worse. He also says that Maidan revolution threatened lives of Russians, so it provoked Russia. He also denies (correctly in my opinion) any possibility of a similar scenario where Russia might take a part of Belarus, joking that there are more former Belarusian territories in Russian that would gladly return to Belarus than vice versa.
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