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episode 3 has just about killed this show for me (eps 1 and 2 are terrible too). why the living gently caress did they let the prisoner steal the gundam wtf is bellri's problem that he just sits by while a prisoner kidnaps him and steals the gundam
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Condiv posted:episode 3 has just about killed this show for me (eps 1 and 2 are terrible too). why the living gently caress did they let the prisoner steal the gundam It's almost as if *gasp!* the head of Research was letting her go on purpose! The horror!
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Oct 16, 2014 15:09
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Condiv posted:episode 3 has just about killed this show for me (eps 1 and 2 are terrible too). why the living gently caress did they let the prisoner steal the gundam There's a bunch of evidence that implies they let her do it on purpose. Hell, they're completely unsurprised by the G-Self being stolen but they *are* surprised that Bellri was inside it. The colonel just calmly watches the G-Self move out and then after it escapes he calls someone to say it was stolen. As for what sort of arrangement happened between Aida and the colonel, that's probably something we'll find out in this week's episode. Srice fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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Oct 16, 2014 15:10
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It's a mystery why bellri let aida go with the gundam, nobody knows how. It's very mysterious, almost like there was something he saw in her, like a feeling of some kind. Too bad we will never know what that is though, as no character has mentioned any sort of thing these last few episodes. Just chalk it up to Tomino being a bad rotten no good writer, again.
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Oct 16, 2014 15:24
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Pureauthor posted:It's almost as if *gasp!* the head of Research was letting her go on purpose! The horror! i would imagine if you're going to let someone go, you'd do it in a way that wasn't loving obvious as hell to the person you're trying to trail leaving her cell open and no security on the way to gundam would've been more subtle then again, she might not expect it cause the protag army is massively incompetent and doesn't seem to grasp basic security protocols
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Oct 16, 2014 15:33
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Condiv posted:i would imagine if you're going to let someone go, you'd do it in a way that wasn't loving obvious as hell to the person you're trying to trail Given that Aida was sitting and having a nice meal and tea in the colonel's office prior to Bellri showing up it's not really terribly far fetched to draw the conclusion that he informed her that he was going to let her escape. The only thing we're not really clear on yet is the why.
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Oct 16, 2014 15:55
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Condiv posted:i would imagine if you're going to let someone go, you'd do it in a way that wasn't loving obvious as hell to the person you're trying to trail The Capital Army is also an army so new that they haven't officially announced its existence to the public. That's why nobody knows what to do, a well-run army doesn't just spring up overnight.
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Oct 16, 2014 16:04
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Kanos posted:The only thing we're not really clear on yet is the why. Because the pirates had already attacked the space elevator once trying to rescue her, would be my guess, and with their commander dead some ambitious and grief-stricken underling might do something really stupid.
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Oct 16, 2014 16:21
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PoptartsNinja posted:Because the pirates had already attacked the space elevator once trying to rescue her, would be my guess, and with their commander dead some ambitious and grief-stricken underling might do something really stupid. "If you threaten us with violence and steal from us and we catch you in the process, all you need to do is threaten us with more violence to get off scot free" is not exactly the PR image you want to project if you're trying to maintain control of a political situation, I would think.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:13
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Conflict and conflict resolution seem like a lost art so far. This is a nation / pseudo-nation that has only now thought that maybe using construction mobile suits as defense forces isn't sufficient, and whose pilots are defeated by stands of bamboo.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:39
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To be fair, that bamboo did come out of nowhere.
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Oct 16, 2014 18:58
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Sharkopath posted:To be fair, that bamboo did come out of nowhere. Look, if the technicians just spent a couple weeks remodeling your modified repair/cargo mobile suit to have hover jets for ground combat it would simply be churlish not to use them.
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Oct 16, 2014 20:17
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It is all kind of screwy because these guys are supposed to have an unfair, tyrannical stranglehold on global energy distribution. How the hell are they enforcing that?
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Oct 16, 2014 22:32
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You may have noticed they seem to be having some trouble with that lately.  Edit: Also, hope you guys liked the toilets. They appear to be here to stay. John Carstairs fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Oct 16, 2014 |
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Oct 16, 2014 22:37
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John Carstairs posted:You may have noticed they seem to be having some trouble with that lately. Yeah, but how did they even set it up? How did the other nations not just go 'lolno' when they tried it and roll right over them?
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Oct 16, 2014 23:00
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Darth Walrus posted:It is all kind of screwy because these guys are supposed to have an unfair, tyrannical stranglehold on global energy distribution. How the hell are they enforcing that? Well, prior to anyone *cough*Ameria*cough* taking up significant arms to steal it, the main thing would be simply denying a given country its photon batteries. What we don't know for now is the frequency of rations or how long each ration tends to last, but this is a clearly technologically advanced civilisation, and if nations struggle to meet power demands within their existing supplies, then of course being able to turn off the flow at one's leisure puts a significant pressure on political leaders to get the supply re-established as soon as possible, or face - within likely months - the functional end of their society. Especially since, unlike real life nations that provide resources like oil and such, its almost certain that there's no money in the matter for the Capital, so to them, cutting off someone's supply to keep them at line affects them in next to no ways at all. Edit: ^To the post above, its likely a position that the Capital got as an old institution, not anything recent. Ie, either the other nations, still horrified by the wars they'd fought, were energised enough to actually put together an organisation to control things, or they themselves were in such a desperate position that when someone came along offering energy, with certain demands of course, they couldn't afford to say no.
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Oct 16, 2014 23:03
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Astro Nut posted:Well, prior to anyone *cough*Ameria*cough* taking up significant arms to steal it, the main thing would be simply denying a given country its photon batteries. What we don't know for now is the frequency of rations or how long each ration tends to last, but this is a clearly technologically advanced civilisation, and if nations struggle to meet power demands within their existing supplies, then of course being able to turn off the flow at one's leisure puts a significant pressure on political leaders to get the supply re-established as soon as possible, or face - within likely months - the functional end of their society. Especially since, unlike real life nations that provide resources like oil and such, its almost certain that there's no money in the matter for the Capital, so to them, cutting off someone's supply to keep them at line affects them in next to no ways at all. Let's not forget the religious aspect to it too. While the power supplies sound like the main reason, it's possible that kept the nations in check for awhile as well (and could be why they only recently started an army, if it has become a less effective method in the meantime). That and the rhetoric about not repeating the UC's mistakes probably went a long way towards initially establishing its power.
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Oct 16, 2014 23:05
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I sure hope nobody in this thread ever tries to read a postmodern novel, or they might literally have an aneurism because of the lack of clear and simple exposition Not that anime is on the level of actual literature. But Jesus, I've never seen a Tomino or Gundam show before, and I thought this was fine? Do people require 20 minute blocks of exposition for all events in a story otherwise they just don't get it?
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icantfindaname posted:I sure hope nobody in this thread ever tries to read a postmodern novel, or they might literally have an aneurism because of the lack of clear and simple exposition Eh. I would still say that Tomino could have provided a better introduction to things, at least for the first episode. Yeah, don't need to explain everything at once, but a little lead in, at the very least not dropping you in at the end of a chase through the skies, would help people adjust better. Beyond that though, the main thing is just not to approach the questions the series raises with 'why don't they just do X?'. There's an evident amount of politics and cultural elements at play in the script, both done well and kinda stumbling, so you have to give things enough room to establish just what the distinction is between 'this is because of the society they live in' and 'this is Tomino writing'. Say, Bellri being indignant about Ameria's energy issues because of the understanding that's been given to him, raised so close to the capital, versus Aida getting shot in the rear end because she stuck it out a bit too much for Noredo's liking.
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Astro Nut posted:versus Aida getting shot in the rear end because she stuck it out a bit too much for Noredo's liking. Hey, she was told to stay still. It was for her own safety. Edit: Also, maybe a little for being a dirty pirate. 
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Oct 16, 2014 23:33
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icantfindaname posted:I sure hope nobody in this thread ever tries to read a postmodern novel, or they might literally have an aneurism because of the lack of clear and simple exposition Comparing G-Reco to a postmodern novel is pretty silly. The complaints I had about it were not that I didn't understand things but that the character's reactions and responses are pretty strange in a way that makes it hard to differentiate between Tomino writing, bad writing, and intentionally strange writing. (and I'm pretty sure G-Reco has all three at once.) It gives the product a disjointed feel, but not one that functions in the same way as certain postmodern stories.
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I don't think anyone challenges the Capital for control of the energy because everyone else would dogpile on them if they tried; it's not in anyone's best interests to let their rivals monopolize such a powerful resource, so they let a neutral third party control it instead. Even if none of them are necessarily happy about it and they'd all like to control it themselves, they know this is the best alternative. Which is why Ameria is (poorly) trying to hide their pirating behind a non-state entity.
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Oct 17, 2014 01:20
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icantfindaname posted:I sure hope nobody in this thread ever tries to read a postmodern novel, or they might literally have an aneurism because of the lack of clear and simple exposition I don't think the show is particularly unclear or confusing right now. But I do think there is a big difference between a novel and an animated series: You can read a novel at your own pace, but an animated series comes in chunks predetermined by the creators. It is easier to lose audiences because they cannot be bothered to watch every week than it is to lose someone who is already sitting down and reading your book.
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GimmickMan posted:I don't think the show is particularly unclear or confusing right now. But I do think there is a big difference between a novel and an animated series: You can read a novel at your own pace, but an animated series comes in chunks predetermined by the creators. It is easier to lose audiences because they cannot be bothered to watch every week than it is to lose someone who is already sitting down and reading your book. I think that theory would have more weight if people weren't getting confused by things that happened and were explained in the same episode.
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Oct 17, 2014 02:07
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I just hope we can argue about Dellensen crying this time: I thought he was kind of a jerk the first time I watched episode one, what with the whip and such, but the more we see him, the more decent a guy he seems. He whips the cadets because he cares. 
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Finally starting to get some answers in this episode So even the Pirates don't have a clue as to the G-Self's origin, and the Capital's pretty drat sure something is lurking up in space. The taboo tech thing's a surprise, and it looks like Beam Sabers are lost/taboo tech for some reason. Which is weird considering they have badass beam whips. It's also getting more and more likely that this going to go Moonlit Butterfly by the end too  .Something I kinda liked was that the pirates only gave a drat about disabling the Catsiths rather than going all-out and destroying them. What really bugs me with G-Reco is that grunt suits don't explode at the drop of a pin. It ain't right, I tells you! 
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Oct 17, 2014 03:18
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How many days is it usually taking for sub groups to put out an episode? Monday seems to be the earliest I've found.
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Oct 17, 2014 03:27
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Kingtheninja posted:How many days is it usually taking for sub groups to put out an episode? Monday seems to be the earliest I've found. HorribleSubs usually has it up same day.
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Oct 17, 2014 03:44
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[sage] said that they're trying to get their releases out on Saturdays.
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Oct 17, 2014 03:47
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I'm surprised they don't just get someone to copy the Aussie/Uk official stream subs.
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Oct 17, 2014 03:49
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I think they do, because they kept some of the same errors.
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John Carstairs posted:I think they do, because they kept some of the same errors. Which ones?
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Oct 17, 2014 04:00
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Klim Nick is seriously just the best character in the show by a tremendous degree.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Which ones? Eh, I mostly just stick to the raws, but the one I remember off the top of my head was in this scene in episode two:  Where both the official release and Sage version appear to have missed that rear end in a top hat dude doesn't say Luin's being nice to Bellri to ingratiate himself to him but to his mother. Seems like a weird mistake for them to both make independently. Edit: Also, I pretty much agree with this wholeheartedly: ImpAtom posted:Klim Nick is seriously just the best character in the show by a tremendous degree. John Carstairs fucked around with this message at 04:08 on Oct 17, 2014 |
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Oct 17, 2014 04:05
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I expected that as soon as I saw him in the OP and ED. I also knew he would be a huge piece of poo poo and I was hype
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Just saw it, I'm all on board now. Show hit its stride and the plot is moving forward. If you were disappointed about the combat before I think you'll be happy with this one, It's shot in an incredibly dynamic way, and has a really good sense of composition and impact for the budget they're using. I'd say it's more interesting than the fights from BFT we've seen so far. I'm happy, maybe I'll post about it later.
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I like the design of the space suits and the transparent cockpits, i like the music now, i like how colorful everything is, i like all the islands and ocean and sun and everything.
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Oct 17, 2014 04:09
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You want to watch it now, I bet.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm surprised they don't just get someone to copy the Aussie/Uk official stream subs. Horriblesubs does that. Sharkopath posted:Just saw it, I'm all on board now. Show hit its stride and the plot is moving forward. Yeah that combat was pretty exciting, it might not have as big a budget as Build Fighters but they really know how to make use of the resources they have. And as for the non-fighty bits I think some people who weren't on board are going to warm up to the show a little more. They started explaining things and a lot of it (bar one) has mainly been stuff that folks in the thread have extrapolated from what we've been given so far. Hyped to see whatever the threat from space winds up being.
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