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Oct 18, 2014 20:11
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Ozu posted:Come on. A loving 6th rounder and $0 guaranteed money after this year? How are people still ripping the Jets? That's ludicrous. Seriously. It's like a literal no lose trade for the Jets considering their record. BUT BUT BUT Tom Brady was a sixth round pick. Chris James 2 posted:I like that people are just ignoring him fighting and being a dick in college, and in the Vikings. TBF that's exactly what John Schneider thought
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Oct 18, 2014 20:13
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Brannock posted:Whatever the facts/rumors are, this is the second time in a row that Harvin's been suddenly traded away from a team for seemingly no good reason. These are presumably intelligent men who don't make random trades for the hell of it, especially when it has such bad optics. There's clearly something going on with Harvin. I dunno, seems like the Vikings were pretty sold on Patterson falling into Harvin's role and Patterson is a hell of a lot cheaper. If memory serves everyone seemed to think it was a decently fair deal all around.
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Oct 18, 2014 20:16
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Brannock posted:Whatever the facts/rumors are, this is the second time in a row that Harvin's been suddenly traded away from a team for seemingly no good reason.
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Oct 18, 2014 20:19
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If the Pats or the Broncos did this trade everyone in the sports media would be tripping over each other to applaud it. It's a decent low risk move by NY.
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Potzblitz! posted:A 1st round pick is a good reason. TubeStank posted:I dunno, seems like the Vikings were pretty sold on Patterson falling into Harvin's role and Patterson is a hell of a lot cheaper. If memory serves everyone seemed to think it was a decently fair deal all around. The Vikings were lucky that it worked out, but trading away Harvin for Patterson is essentially a wash at best, and at worst you bust on that pick (or someone else drafts Patterson before the Vikings could). It was a risky move that paid off for the Vikings. What about Harvin made the Vikings want to take that risk? Was it really just the money?
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Oct 18, 2014 20:22
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Dirt Worshipper posted:If the Pats or the Broncos did this trade everyone in the sports media would be tripping over each other to applaud it. It's a decent low risk move by NY. Did the Patriots not get wind of this because they're a potential SB opponent (it's possible!)? if I'm BB I'd offer the same in a heartbeat.
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Oct 18, 2014 20:25
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Brannock posted:The Vikings were lucky that it worked out, but trading away Harvin for Patterson is essentially a wash at best, and at worst you bust on that pick (or someone else drafts Patterson before the Vikings could). It was a risky move that paid off for the Vikings. What about Harvin made the Vikings want to take that risk? Was it really just the money? Its the same reasoning the Eagles used so it seems to be a common rationale. Whether it is smart or not is a completely different matter.
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Oct 18, 2014 20:28
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African AIDS cum posted:Why would any of that be unbelievable, that kind of stuff happens all the time in sports lmao no, it doesn't. It happens all the time with abrasive assholes like Kobe and Josh McDaniels but not just "in sports"
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Oct 18, 2014 20:48
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African AIDS cum posted:punching power comes from the lower body Your footwork and legs yes I should have technically said he could body slam a brick house thank you
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Oct 18, 2014 20:50
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He didn't fight anybody while at florida what the hell is that made up garbage
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Oct 18, 2014 20:53
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AAA DOLFAN posted:He didn't fight anybody while at florida what the hell is that made up garbage Hawks had to trade Harvin after learning he didn't fight a single one of his dipshit teammates at Florida. Russ would have gotten kicked off that team six times over for doing the right thing
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Dubious posted:He was a pile of poo poo on the Vikings and nearly dropped Childress before getting separated. His behavioral problems on the vikings amounted to he hated Christian Ponder and thought Childress was a dipshit. So basically things everyone knows to be true and right. I really have a hard time believing Harvin is the evil locker room guy. The NFL is filled with a lot of stupid assholes. He unfortunately has now been painted as a locker room CANCER guy. But so was Randy Moss and he was the best dide ever. I wish the vikings had got Harvin. I still have my vikings Harvin jersey. It sits in my closet and I go and hug it and sob ala Brokeback Mountain.
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Oct 18, 2014 20:56
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Dubious posted:The real question is, where does he go after the Jets cut his rear end next in the offseason? Crazy speed? Character issues? Someone revive Al Davis.
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Oct 18, 2014 21:00
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Ozu posted:Come on. A loving 6th rounder and $0 guaranteed money after this year? How are people still ripping the Jets? That's ludicrous. This is my favorite part of the whole thing. Rolling the dice on an elite talent basically for free? No, see, the Jets are retarded so therefore everything they do is retarded.
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Oct 18, 2014 21:01
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His character issues include he smokes weed.
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soggybagel posted:His character issues include he smokes weed. They're probably not limited to that though. But goons think they know players better than the GMs and coaches that deal with them on a daily basis so whatever.
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Nail Rat posted:They're probably not limited to that though. But goons think they know players better than the GMs and coaches that deal with them on a daily basis so whatever. I just think very little escapes the reporters that cover the team. Suddenly there are multiple fights in the Seattle locker room? That we've never heard about before? That just seems unlikely
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Oct 18, 2014 21:05
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Nail Rat posted:They're probably not limited to that though. But goons think they know players better than the GMs and coaches that deal with them on a daily basis so whatever. Ah appeal to the infallible nature of NFL GMs. That is a smart move and not at all an appeal to authority.
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Oct 18, 2014 21:05
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No one in the NFL gives a poo poo about character issues unless they're made to, or a player stops producing. The Seahawks signed Perrish Cox last year. Twice.
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Oct 18, 2014 21:07
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Nail Rat posted:They're probably not limited to that though. But goons think they know players better than the GMs and coaches that deal with them on a daily basis so whatever. Boy this is rich
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Oct 18, 2014 21:07
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CharlestheHammer posted:Ah appeal to the infallible nature of NFL GMs. And it's better to assume that what you know publicly about players is the whole story? Because that's what everyone else is doing. And the Seahawks are not idiots.
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Nail Rat posted:And it's better to assume that what you know publicly about players is the whole story? Because that's what everyone else is doing. And the Seahawks are not idiots. Honestly yes, it is much much smarter to assume these are lies than the fact that for some reason the Hawks was able to completely shut the media out from reporting something that happened in a practice that then happened to leak right when the player was traded.
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I'm not saying to assume the rumors of bodyslams or whatever are true just because. I'm just saying hey they may have a good reason for trading him. Or maybe one of the smartest front offices became autistic overnight. It could happen!
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Having followed those Gators teams very closely I am surprised that this is the first time I am hearing he was a malcontent while at Florida.
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Potzblitz! posted:1st round picks are very valuable, even accounting for the risk. A first-round pick is not more valuable than a proven first-round-pick-worthy player. I will never understand this interpretation of value. What does a first-round pick do? Give you a shot at drafting a star player. What was Percy Harvin? A star player. You knew for absolutely sure that Percy Harvin is a young star; a first round pick is a relatively unknown quantity. When you trade Percy Harvin away for a first round pick and you use that same first round pick to attempt to draft Percy Harvin's replacement it's a wash. Most GMs understand this, which is why Aaron Rodgers or Clay Matthews don't get traded away for a first round pick to draft the next Aaron Rodgers or Clay Matthews. We can safely assume there was some other factor in the original Percy Harvin trade that gave the Vikings incentive to gamble on drafting his replacement instead of keeping him around. If it was simply his contract, then that makes two straight teams that didn't think he was worth keeping around despite his immense physical capabilities. AAA DOLFAN posted:Boy this is rich Have any of you personally interacted with Percy Harvin?
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Nail Rat posted:And it's better to assume that what you know publicly about players is the whole story? Because that's what everyone else is doing. And the Seahawks are not idiots. The Seahawks have kept Bevell for several years. They are not infallible and can absolutely still make dumb decisions.
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The thing most people are having trouble reconciling is you have a known talent. Harvin is incredibly talented. And he was given up for peanuts. You look at the NFL in the past 15 years and you see teams go out of their way to keep players on rosters who have just as much locker room baggage and are not nearly as talented as Harvin. Hence we question the seriousness of such locker room accusations that suddenly come out it a flurry once he leaves. When you have teams protecting guys like Ray Rice or Incognito you have to wonder how "bad" Harvin is. And you can look at other sports and the media to know there is a grand tradition of smearing players or coaches when they leave a team on less than great terms. I'm not pretending like I know better or all. Just that it seems odd
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Chichevache posted:The Seahawks have kept Bevell for several years. They are not infallible and can absolutely still make dumb decisions. Well every offensive coordinator is bad and/or hated by their fan base except like three so what's the difference really
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That doesn't really matter, he could be an extreme rear end in a top hat and insufferable up to Kluwe levels it doesn't matter. You can't argue that he was an rear end in a top hat and that GMs know better at the same time. They are directly opposing arguments.
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TMZ just leaked the footage of the Golden Tate bodyslam. Dang, Percy. SMH
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Nail Rat posted:Well every offensive coordinator is bad and/or hated by their fan base except like three so what's the difference really hmm yes quite
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Brannock posted:A first-round pick is not more valuable than a proven first-round-pick-worthy player. I will never understand this interpretation of value. What does a first-round pick do? Give you a shot at drafting a star player. What was Percy Harvin? A star player. You knew for absolutely sure that Percy Harvin is a young star; a first round pick is a relatively unknown quantity. When you trade Percy Harvin away for a first round pick and you use that same first round pick to attempt to draft Percy Harvin's replacement it's a wash. He was a young star with a huge cap hit that produced little outside of a couple of early years due to injuries. He was and is a dynamic player, but for a 1st, 3rd, and 7th round pick that trade was absolutely worth it. The Vikings had more important holes to address or try to address with those extra picks. Good Wide Receivers aren't terribly hard to come by. The comparison to Rodgers and Matthews are silly because those are the cornerstones of the offense and the defense. Harvin wasn't that for Minnesota--AP was.
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Some players have more value to a team than others. Not a shocking thing. The reason why a first round draft pick is worth more than a good player is that the good player is most likely in his prime years, aka expecting to get paid. You can get a good WR with a first in most drafts, so it makes more sense to take the bit of risk in developing a talent that costs you 6 figures.
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Brannock posted:A first-round pick is not more valuable than a proven first-round-pick-worthy player. I will never understand this interpretation of value. What does a first-round pick do? Give you a shot at drafting a star player. What was Percy Harvin? A star player. You knew for absolutely sure that Percy Harvin is a young star; a first round pick is a relatively unknown quantity. When you trade Percy Harvin away for a first round pick and you use that same first round pick to attempt to draft Percy Harvin's replacement it's a wash. There are like no examples of this working out in the NFL within the last 20 years, btw. I mean I read Redskins fans saying this same thing in like 2003.
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FizFashizzle posted:There are like no examples of this working out in the NFL within the last 20 years, btw. You can make an argument for Jared Allen, I'm drawing a blank on others though.
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Grittybeard posted:You can make an argument for Jared Allen, I'm drawing a blank on others though. He's a good example. Even something successful like Atlanta thinking Julio Jones was worth everything they gave up has led them to ruin. And that's a team with a great QB as well, not like the usual suspects who think DickSuck McHoolihan just needs that one elite receiver to make the next step.
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