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I like funny jokes AND character drama. What now.
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Oct 19, 2014 15:37
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I'm only here for the horse jokes.
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Oct 19, 2014 15:39
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A story that combines an engaging plot with likeable (and unlikeable) characters and amusing jokes is a pretty cool thing to do that I enjoy spending my time reading.
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Oct 19, 2014 15:42
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Zoe posted:People like this are why I really just feel that murder should be legal sometimes, in certain situations. 
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Oct 19, 2014 16:14
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I love Homestuck when it's a blend of funny and characters. Without Karkat being an obessive freak, and Dave being a cool kid, we never would have gotten Penis Ouija
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Oct 19, 2014 16:15
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frozentreasure posted:But John just made a bold declaration that he was going to kick the villain of the story's rear end; and getting killed in a battle with the ultimate villain of the story sounds pretty heroic to me. yeah but he barely understands anything that's going on, it's about as heroic as a drunk guy spotting somebody matching his friend's description of their mugger and going "bite the curb, motherf-bleurgh"
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Oct 19, 2014 16:22
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Tollymain posted:yeah but he barely understands anything that's going on, it's about as heroic as a drunk guy spotting somebody matching his friend's description of their mugger and going "bite the curb, motherf-bleurgh" No he definitely understands that he's a villain bare minimum so this would definitely count as a heroic death. Whether he actually understands that he's THE big bad is irrelevant.
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Oct 19, 2014 16:30
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Chalk this up as me not trusting Caliborn IS Lord English. But this is playing out a lot like Jake meeting Meenah did.
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Oct 19, 2014 16:55
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I dunno, last time John fought a big bad and lost and died he came out fine.
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Oct 19, 2014 16:56
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Homestuck is good, and I like it.
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Oct 19, 2014 16:57
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I cannot tell a lie, I haven't though of this thing in months, but the siren song of time fuckery has called me back. I can't help it, I love time loops and poo poo too much to stay away.Eiba posted:You know, when I heard Homestuck was coming off of its gigapause, I thought about Homestuck for the first time in like a year and realized... I had no idea why I liked it. Yeah, it had some neat characters, but my memories of it were of unironically enjoying it when it disappeared up its own rear end with its metaphysics and poo poo. Like the reveal that the trolls created our universe and Homestuck was a creation myth. I remember being really excited about that at the time, but now... it's just so... He gazed up at the enormous face. The whole gigapause it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath those luscious lips. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving well muscled chest! Two faygo-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Hussie.
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Oct 19, 2014 17:35
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Poultron posted:No he definitely understands that he's a villain bare minimum so this would definitely count as a heroic death. Whether he actually understands that he's THE big bad is irrelevant. It can't be a heroic death if he doesn't actually accomplish something. Going up to the final boss and getting smacked down instantly isn't heroic in the slightest.
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Oct 19, 2014 18:03
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Since John is unstuck in canon, even if his was an heroic death, he can just reappear behind Caliborn and bonk him in the head when he's aboud to shoot him down.
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Oct 19, 2014 19:14
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John will clown on and all over Caliborn 100%. We don't know why, or how, but he will. Caliborn, humiliated and emasculated, will start training, in order to get RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPED. His hatred is now equally divided between that useless wad Calliope, and John. All of Huge Caliborn's "senseless destruction" is actually Caliborn hunting down John for a rematch.
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Oct 19, 2014 19:22
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Actually yeah I agree with life_source about John kicking Caliborn's rear end a little here. They've both got the cosmic power of narrators at the moment so it's probably impossible for them to kill each other yet until they better understand that power and each other, but John doesn't seem inclined to gently caress around and it'd make sense as a motivating incident for Caliborn getting serious about terrorizing everyone. Also fits the reacharound nature of the comic's story for the main villain's push toward aggression to come from a time-traveler attacking him over the evil he's going to do in the future. It does seem interesting that Caliborn has a firmer grasp on their mysterious power than John at the moment. John doesn't even seem to realize he's narrating at the moment while Caliborn is apparently already aware that this won't be their last encounter. That line especially is curious to me, does that mean Caliborn actually already knows about a future meeting, or is he just guessing they'll probably meet again because he's in dramatic exposition mode? Oh god, it's happening. Earnest Homestuck discussion!
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Oct 19, 2014 19:31
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Dolash posted:Earnest Homestuck discussion! From Dolash of all people?!?!
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Oct 19, 2014 19:37
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This update in a nutshell https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klmvEfIneiY -EDIT- Oh, and this too of course https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-deFSGA5oo Who What Now fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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Oct 19, 2014 20:09
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Gato posted:tight, self-contained These words have never described Homestuck ever.
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Oct 19, 2014 20:22
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Caliborn is the Lord of Time, so of course he knows he's going to encounter John again in his own future. John is unstuck from causality, making him the only one capable of resolving the kind of predestination paradox that Lord English relies on. John is only dimly aware of his power, but Caliborn doesn't know about them at all, nor has he attained the clockwork bullshit (he doesn't even know how he'll get it - and apparently he hasn't claimed his boon from Yaldabaoth yet). In fact, he thinks John is a ghost, which may explain why Lord English is so gung-ho about killing all those ghosts.
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Oct 19, 2014 21:08
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http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005391 No one is allowed to poo poo talk Tavros. Not when he gives us such wonderful gems as this.Bongo Bill posted:Caliborn is the Lord of Time, so of course he knows he's going to encounter John again in his own future. John is unstuck from causality, making him the only one capable of resolving the kind of predestination paradox that Lord English relies on. John is only dimly aware of his power, but Caliborn doesn't know about them at all, nor has he attained the clockwork bullshit (he doesn't even know how he'll get it - and apparently he hasn't claimed his boon from Yaldabaoth yet). In fact, he thinks John is a ghost, which may explain why Lord English is so gung-ho about killing all those ghosts. I'm not even convinced that Caliborn IS Lord English. I'm seriously thinking it's going to be another situation like with Meenah and the Troll Queen.
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Oct 19, 2014 21:20
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life_source posted:John will clown on and all over Caliborn 100%. We don't know why, or how, but he will. I find this idea plenty legit. It would be further justified if everyone has been mistaking Jake for John, as far as LE's worthy foe goes - Especially if all they were going off was an incredibly lovely anime drawing of John. It could easily be Jake!
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Oct 19, 2014 22:19
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Bongo Bill posted:Caliborn is the Lord of Time, so of course he knows he's going to encounter John again in his own future. John is unstuck from causality, making him the only one capable of resolving the kind of predestination paradox that Lord English relies on. John is only dimly aware of his power, but Caliborn doesn't know about them at all, nor has he attained the clockwork bullshit (he doesn't even know how he'll get it - and apparently he hasn't claimed his boon from Yaldabaoth yet). In fact, he thinks John is a ghost, which may explain why Lord English is so gung-ho about killing all those ghosts. There's a serious problem to the usual predestination bullshit happening here though: John's time travel actually changes the past. Stable time loops are not a thing that happens with it. If he actually conks caliborn, he will have beaten him up and that will be a thing that never happened before. Who knows what the hell it might actually do?
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Oct 19, 2014 22:27
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Burkion posted:http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005391 No one is allowed to poo poo talk Tavros. Not when he gives us such wonderful gems as this. Socks and sandals.
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Oct 19, 2014 22:29
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paranoid randroid posted:Socks and sandals. Just part of Bull Horn Wimp's charm. I hope him, Nepeta, Feferi and Sollux can run off and have happy dreambubble adventures away from everyone else without being horribly double-murdered by Lord English for being irrelevant.
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Oct 19, 2014 22:56
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Tavros was boring and i'm glad he's dead, and i hope he got lasermurdered as soon as he spread his idiot wings and flew out of the plot like a freakish garbage phoenix.
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Oct 19, 2014 22:58
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If anything fucks John up, it will be being transmogrified into Lord English like Jack was. Or Cans knocking him a year into the past and making him wait through the gigapause again.
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Oct 19, 2014 23:34
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Bell_ posted:Or Cans knocking him a year into the past and making him wait through the gigapause again. "Sorry folks, looks like we're in for another gigapause."
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Oct 20, 2014 00:33
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Burkion posted:http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005391 No one is allowed to poo poo talk Tavros. Not when he gives us such wonderful gems as this. Do we have any spare Caliborns lying around? We have a spare Calliope in play, and actually a pretty sparse amount of dead-timeline cherubs. Is it possible that there was only one other way that their lifetimes could ever have gone?
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Oct 20, 2014 01:41
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Rand Brittain posted:Do we have any spare Caliborns lying around? We have a spare Calliope in play, and actually a pretty sparse amount of dead-timeline cherubs. Is it possible that there was only one other way that their lifetimes could ever have gone? The Caliborn who died via Martyr-Calliope's predomination could very well still be hanging around somewhere, actually. I don't think any of the characters have ever even mentioned the possibility.
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Oct 20, 2014 02:38
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Freak Futanari posted:Tavros was amazing and i'm glad he's ended his abusive relationship, and i hope he gets to have lots of adventures now that he has spread his awesome wings and flew off to accomplish great things like a super cool phoenix. I agree! Tavros is the best and I hope we get to see him again soon. And add me to the pile of people who think Caliborn isn't Lord English. The whole situation feels suspicious.
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Oct 20, 2014 02:39
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I agree! Tavros is the best and I hope we get to see him again soon. That's not what i said at all. Please write your own posts, instead of misrepresenting mine, or i WILL be forced to get the mods involved..........
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Oct 20, 2014 02:43
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Freak Futanari posted:That's not what i said at all. Please write your own posts, instead of misrepresenting mine, or i WILL be forced to get the mods involved.......... I'm sorry. I was attempting to make a comedy joke and it fell flat. It won't happen again. Misrepresenting your posts I mean, I'm still going to inevitably make lovely joke.
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Oct 20, 2014 02:53
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:And add me to the pile of people who think Caliborn isn't Lord English. The whole situation feels suspicious.
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Oct 20, 2014 02:54
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Caliborn is, in my mind, responsible in some way for Lord English. Let's not forget that he horcruxed Lil' Cal, which directly led to the alpha Jack going all pool ball eyed. Also, Andrew Hussie, while talking to Caliborn, identified him as the person responsible for Hussie's in-comic death by Lord English. Still, one of the more intriguing possibilities of Caliborn not being Lord English directly is that it creates the hypothetical of Caliborn's redemption. Sure, he's done some awful things, getting his sister killed and being an internet rear end in a top hat. But we've seen other characters be just as jerky and offered another chance. So... maybe after Lord English is dead, Caliborn is socialized?
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Oct 20, 2014 03:11
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The existence of the connection is obvious. The nature of the connection is ambiguous. We're all super anxious to find out what the twist will be. Mark my words. Caliborn thinks John is a ghost, and Lord English kills ghosts. This means something.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:15
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TriffTshngo posted:The Caliborn who died via Martyr-Calliope's predomination could very well still be hanging around somewhere, actually. I don't think any of the characters have ever even mentioned the possibility. He shouldn't be dead, though; he should be absorbed into that Calliope. The alpha Calliope is only still around because Caliborn had her inappropriately assassinated and never actually predominated. (See the fusion sprites; they don't exist independently in the afterlife while the sprite they were fused into still exists.) I'm pretty sure Lord English is what's formed when somebody prototypes Lil' Cal (infused with Caliborn's evil soul), one of Doc Scratch's omniscient seeds, and the genetic code of the First Guardians to create Scratch and ultimately English. I mean, we've already seen that happen! I don't think Caliborn needs to personally transform into English to explain everything at this point; he just needs to get his hands on the clockwork majykks.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:21
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I'm not concerned with WHAT the twist will be, just how lovely it will be.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:22
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:I'm sorry. I was attempting to make a comedy joke and it fell flat. It won't happen again. The joke was fine. Freak's just mad he didn't think of it first.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:36
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Who What Now posted:The joke was fine. Freak's just mad he didn't think of it first. Actually i'm mad that anyone would ever insert words about Tavros being good, into one of my posts.
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Bobulus posted:So... maybe after Lord English is dead, Caliborn is socialized? Homestuck Act 7: How to train your Cherub I really do like the idea of Caliborn being redeem or domesticated or whatever and living out the rest of his days as a socialized and well adjusted skull monster. He's just had such a lovely life: He grew up chained to a wall, he's never seen a TV show or a movie, and he has a bunch of brain problems. Also the closest things he has to friends are the felt (whom he likes but probably has trouble relating to since they seem to be much older than him. Most of the time they seem content to ignore him and do their own things) and Gamzee (who's only there to help groom him into a universe destroying monster).
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