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Slimnoid
Sep 6, 2012

Does that mean I don't get the job?

CyberLord XP posted:

Ah, but do they get juice?!

In the grim darkness of the far future, there is no juice.

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BeigeJacket
Jul 21, 2005

How convertible are the resin Dark Eldar Grotesques? Are the arms moulded onto the body?

I've wanted to get some for ages now but they chose a very distinct pose for the single model and I fear 4 of them in a unit will look kinda goofy.

Genghis Cohen
Jun 29, 2013
So I have attended my first (singles) 40k tournament, and it went a bit better than the last doubles tournament I went to (sorry ineptmule). Battlefield Birmingham 6, and I eventually came 14th out of 28. Won 2, lost 2, drew 1.

Here is the set-up of game 4, where I managed to beat Tau despite getting seized on - I was probably so far down the ladder by game 4 that I was playing opponents as bad as me, which is why I won the last 2 and finished on a high.




I was very flattered to be nominated for best army, and laid my lads out with the other 3 nominees:



But the prize was awarded to these very colourful orks.





As much as I love the Bad Moons colours, and obviously so do other people, I thought the best technically painted was these eldar, not a good picture so it's not as apparent:



Who kicked my rear end into the ground in game 1. Absolutely wiped the floor with me. I had bad luck. Wave serpents are more fun when they're mine.

Game 2 - chaos allied to crimson slaughter, 4 heldrakes (!) and summoned demons. Bit of a mindfuck given it was only my 3rd game of 7th ed rules and the first time playing against summoning. Drew in the end, I thought at first I could out-plan him on objectives, but the heldrakes killed so much I barely had anything left. The surviving heldrakes hovered to contest objectives at the end, I killed 1 but the other got him the draw.

game 3 - Blood angels drop pods, he got right in my face, I probably didn't deploy that well to stop him and he beat me well enough. 6 death company with a reclusiarch walked through a silly amount of shooting (not great luck) and killed 24 guardsmen in 1 combat phase.

Game 4 - Tau, pretty good but not great list or general, as stated above I beat him handily despite his seizing initiative. Only some good saves on broadsides/riptide kept him from being tabled, all he had was 1 wound left on his riptide at the end of turn 6. Happy.

Game 5 - Crimson fists, chapter master on bike shield/hammer etc, land raider w/terminators, 2 vindicators. Pretty conventional, I was very happy with my deployment and tactical decisions, wiped the floor with him. My opponent was a real sad-sack (the only one of the whole tourney for me) who literally sat and sighed after it was apparent he'd lose - he resigned on turn 4 even though you lost tournament points for that. Sulky, non-responsive etc. He had his wife sitting at his table for the whole tournament (both big fat people) and it was just a bit depressing. Apparently he's notorious as a sullen loser. I was just glad to finish on a high, and if he can't take a joke, gently caress'im.

Overall, really great time. Loved seeing my close combat blob, after being misused and abused for 3 games, do awesome in the next 2, butchering tau and holding/killing marines. Laugh (for me) of the tourney, Pask punisher killed the shield eternal chapter master (on his own) in 1 round of shooting. My dickbag opponent was obviously so gutted.

Tournaments are fun, I must go to more!

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
Neighborhood kids (ages 4-8) came over to decorate pumpkins today, and they made it to my warhammer room

They are now the proud owners of:
two test-painted tactical marines (imperial fists and a minotaurs I didn't like)
two necron warriors
two dark vengeance sergeants (who the gently caress runs plamsa pistols?)

PierreTheMime
Dec 9, 2004

Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!
Buglord

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Neighborhood kids (ages 4-8) came over to decorate pumpkins today, and they made it to my warhammer room

They are now the proud owners of:
two test-painted tactical marines (imperial fists and a minotaurs I didn't like)
two necron warriors
two dark vengeance sergeants (who the gently caress runs plamsa pistols?)

Start em' early. Though it's a bit inefficient to have them sell their juice once it's poured.

I enjoy the idea that finding their way into your game room is a feat that must be rewarded. "You have stepped foot into the sacred chamber. Warhams law declares you each must be given at least 20pts of legal WYSIWYG models before you leave. "

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
They liked space marines with capes and swords and the one Dark Angels vet I made with two guns

LordAba
Oct 22, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

Neighborhood kids (ages 4-8) came over to decorate pumpkins today, and they made it to my warhammer room

Tac squad? 40 bucks.
Paints, brushes, glue, clippers? 80 bucks.
Angry looks whenever you see their parents? Priceless.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZsFO1JPTE&feature=youtu.be

My Saturday night. I'm the dork with the wrist wrap.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

They liked space marines with capes and swords and the one Dark Angels vet I made with two guns

This is adorable and awesome


LingcodKilla posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZsFO1JPTE&feature=youtu.be

My Saturday night. I'm the dork with the wrist wrap.

This is hammy and also awesome

The Sisko
Jan 9, 2009

"Whenever there's injustice, wrongs to be righted, innocents to be defended, The Sisko will be there, delivering ass-whooppings."

LingcodKilla posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZsFO1JPTE&feature=youtu.be

My Saturday night. I'm the dork with the wrist wrap.

This is awesome and full of hamms , makes feel sad for not making it down for the game.

NovaLion
Jun 2, 2013

REMEMBER

Ghost Hand posted:

I see complaining about things without taking action as wasted energy.

Great way to be.

krushgroove
Oct 23, 2007

Disapproving look

LingcodKilla posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnZsFO1JPTE&feature=youtu.be

My Saturday night. I'm the dork with the wrist wrap.

Google Auto Awesome does videos, too? I'll have to start taking short video bits like that on my phone now - proper full batreps take a long time to do when I've got so much grey plastic to stick together and paint.

Love the automatic music choice!

Hra Mormo
Mar 6, 2008

The Internet Man
People holding dice in their palm and shaking them enough to just barely make the dice vibrate, with the occasional pause, is my pet peeve.

:bahgawd:

e: VVV It's not the roll that bothers me as long as the dice tumbles, but I am literally so lazy that shaking the dice beforehand but not enough to actually flip any facings triggers my "that does nothing and is a waste of energy" tick.

Hra Mormo fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Oct 20, 2014

krushgroove
Oct 23, 2007

Disapproving look
As long as the dice tumble a couple of times that's enough for me.

I am looking at getting some square Game Science dice for a better chance at rolling 6's...I used some of my super hard-to-read Munitorum dice for rolling cover, save, attack and wound rolls on Saturday and I swear I rolled so much better than I normally do with the super rounded dice that are common. So many 6's for jink saves kept my DE roaming about quite a bit.

PierreTheMime
Dec 9, 2004

Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!
Buglord

krushgroove posted:

As long as the dice tumble a couple of times that's enough for me.

I am looking at getting some square Game Science dice for a better chance at rolling 6's...I used some of my super hard-to-read Munitorum dice for rolling cover, save, attack and wound rolls on Saturday and I swear I rolled so much better than I normally do with the super rounded dice that are common. So many 6's for jink saves kept my DE roaming about quite a bit.

If your chance to roll sixes is better than 16.6667% per die you are cheating. I have had incredible streaks of both bad and good rolls with the same Chessex block I've used since the late-90s. While there may very well be a small margin of error due to weight and manufacturing a decent set of dice will roll out to the correct averages every time. Confirmation bias sells a lot of new dice blocks.

krushgroove
Oct 23, 2007

Disapproving look

PierreTheMime posted:

If your chance to roll sixes is better than 16.6667% per die you are cheating. I have had incredible streaks of both bad and good rolls with the same Chessex block I've used since the late-90s. While there may very well be a small margin of error due to weight and manufacturing a decent set of dice will roll out to the correct averages every time. Confirmation bias sells a lot of new dice blocks.

I haven't read any good 'studies' on dice rolling (there's one on dakkadakka but eh...) and it probably is confirmation bias but I'm sure I roll way more 1s and 2s than anything else with my generic rounded dice. Sounding like a complete gamer here but whatever! But this would be the first time I give in to confirmation bias...usually I buy new dice to go with a new setting! or in the case of 40K, a new codex or army.

PierreTheMime
Dec 9, 2004

Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!
Buglord
Don't get me wrong, I have bought a good number of dice over the years, but mostly just for different colors or vanity dice. New colors/style for new army/setting is fine--I picked up the Chaos-specific GW block for my CSM/Daemons. Giving over your money for promises of more sixes is another thing.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Hra Mormo posted:

People holding dice in their palm and shaking them enough to just barely make the dice vibrate, with the occasional pause, is my pet peeve.

:bahgawd:

e: VVV It's not the roll that bothers me as long as the dice tumbles, but I am literally so lazy that shaking the dice beforehand but not enough to actually flip any facings triggers my "that does nothing and is a waste of energy" tick.

It's kinda what happens when you don't want to throw the dice too far from the action.

NTRabbit
Aug 15, 2012

i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches




krushgroove posted:

I haven't read any good 'studies' on dice rolling (there's one on dakkadakka but eh...) and it probably is confirmation bias but I'm sure I roll way more 1s and 2s than anything else with my generic rounded dice. Sounding like a complete gamer here but whatever! But this would be the first time I give in to confirmation bias...usually I buy new dice to go with a new setting! or in the case of 40K, a new codex or army.

If you want dead even chance dice, you need to buy the dice the casinos use, they have the tightest tolerances in manufacturing.

I think the Game Science dice are more gimmick than anything, but that being said, I have a set of them, because that set glows in the dark and that's my army theme :downs: Apparently the best ones are the translucent ones, because you can see if they have fault causing bubbles inside of them or not, but they also have much harder to read numbers, which FYI you need to paint in yourself.

My main dice, by which I mean the dice I used in my only proper game so far, are also themed to my army, chessex blocks of sparkly grey and swirly orange in the smaller size.

Dulkor
Feb 28, 2009

As someone who works in a casino, I can confirm that 'average' chessex/etc. style dice have probability curves that are all over the place due to being made through cheaper injection molding processes. It isn't far enough off to be horrendously bad (most of the time) but even examining your dice with a set of calipers will show that they aren't even, and the round edges encourage even more tumbling and further assist in landing dice on their naturally weighted ends a bit more than they would otherwise. Game Science dice are in theory better, but not to a drastically meaningful extent. The variance is already fairly low on most dice that actually get produced, but noticeable when actually measured.

Casino dice are machined instead, which is stupidly expensive in comparison, but gets you so close to that 16.66667 as to be essentially perfect until they've built up some wear and tear. And when actual money is on the line in large values, that level of precision is pretty much mandated by every gambling law and commission in existence.

Dulkor fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Oct 20, 2014

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
All I know is my Nurgle dice cube rolls crazy well, to the point I've stopped using it.

Ghost Hand
Aug 10, 2004

Rampant 40k Fanboy

CyberLord XP posted:

Ah, but do they get juice?!

Maybe juice... Depends on what FW releases that week...

Hra Mormo
Mar 6, 2008

The Internet Man

Dulkor posted:

As someone who works in a casino, I can confirm that 'average' chessex/etc. style dice have probability curves that are all over the place due to being made through cheaper injection molding processes. It isn't far enough off to be horrendously bad (most of the time) but even examining your dice with a set of calipers will show that they aren't even, and the round edges encourage even more tumbling and further assist in landing dice on their naturally weighted ends a bit more than they would otherwise. Game Science dice are in theory better, but not to a drastically meaningful extent. The variance is already fairly low on most dice that actually get produced, but noticeable when actually measured.

Casino dice are machined instead, which is stupidly expensive in comparison, but gets you so close to that 16.66667 as to be essentially perfect until they've built up some wear and tear. And when actual money is on the line in large values, that level of precision is pretty much mandated by every gambling law and commission in existence.

Aren't casino dice also terrible for tabletop gaming because they're so heavy and sharp that they either just plant the gently caress down on the table and refuse to tumble or land on an edge and get chipped to poo poo if the surface isn't properly padded?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Solution. Giant plastic tub of random dice from 25 years of rolling. Just don't play dice-favorites and it will be sufficiently randomized.

Rulebook Heavily
Sep 18, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
Played Grey Knights for the first time, against Tau no less. Not super impressed with infantry performance but good lord is the Dreadknight way better than anything else on the table/in the codex, by far the superior choice in its slot and probably the best choice in the book for its price. Even when one doesn't arrive until turn 6. I mean, instakilling the enemy commander and most of his squad on arrival sort of makes up for that.

GKs strike me as being almost or even more luck based than the buckets-o-dice Orks. At least Orks get buckets. Psilencers can instakill a multiwound infantry squad or an enemy monstrous creature, but it's a huge gamble. Even when you're not targeted by near ubiquitous AP2 weapons, you're still relying on luck to carry your terminator armor. I'm not sure I'm sold on that yet. 40k is turborandom, there's no need to compound the issue.

I've seen people mention monobuilds, but are there any good posts and strategies floating around I could read? I've seen the gamut from "never take paladins/purifiers" to "you will always take paladins/purifiers".

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang
The final solution to the dice question is to take all of your D6 and concentrate them within one felt-lined pleather dice cup. Shake it like a cocktail shaker, then slam it down onto the table. Very satisfying. And it makes neat little D6 ziggurats.

raverrn
Apr 5, 2005

Unidentified spacecraft inbound from delta line.

All Silpheed squadrons scramble now!


I was just at a tourney last week running NSF Grey Knights. When I get home I'll write something up.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich
We're going to be doing a 1250 doubles tournament soon and I wanted to get your opinions on an Eldar/Eldar/Dark Eldar list if you guys don't mind:

Eldar with DE Allies:
- Spiritseer
- x6 Fire Dragons in Wave Serpent
- x5 Dire Avengers in Wave Serpent
- x5 Dire Avengers in Wave Serpent
- Wraithknight
- x3 Shadow Weaver

- Archon w/ Webway Portal, Shadowfield, Blast Pistol
- x5 Warriors

Eldar:
- Farseer
- x5 Dire Avengers in Wave Serpent
- x5 Dire Avengers in Wave Serpent
- Crimson Hunter Exarch
- Wraithknight w/ Suncannon and Scatter Laser
- Wraithknight

I just really wanted to try the WWP portal shenanigans with the Fire Dragon Wave Serpent. What are your thoughts?

panascope
Mar 26, 2005

It doesn't seem like you're really gaining that much from the webway portal. It's not like the Wave Serpents get better within 24" and one squad of fire dragons doesn't seem like it's worth it.

Direwolf
Aug 16, 2004
Fwar
So I saw the end turns of a Deathwing vs Green Tide Orks game this past weekend, and I'm pretty sure there were more dead Terminators by the end than Orks.

What would you guys do if you were faced down by a 100 man squad of t4 guys with Feel No Pain, about half with a 5+ invulnerable from shooting, that can run and charge every turn and has a bunch of Power Klaws inside it, to boot? I mean how do you even kill that?
And I did some of the math on it, it's only like 1000-1100 points, so you still have 1/3 of your army points left to blow.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich
Well, it strikes me as being really, really flexible.

The Wave Serpent can come in, dismount the Fire Dragons and Archon (can also throw the Spiritseer in there). The Fire Dragons can back armor blast a vehicle, or battle focus in the event of a Knight into a non-shielded arc and blast that. The Wave Serpent can either back armor another target, hunt something else, or just flat-out. The Spiritseer can pyschic scream another unit if it's also attached.

That's a lot of versatility out of a non-scatter deep-striker and with the Archon to tank incoming fire, it may just survive the next turn of incoming fire, especially with three Wraithknights and x4 more Wave Serpents to worry about.

Alternatively, if the game doesn't call for it, I can just deep-strike the small warrior squad and attempt a few wounds on something worthwhile.

Boon fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Oct 20, 2014

raverrn
Apr 5, 2005

Unidentified spacecraft inbound from delta line.

All Silpheed squadrons scramble now!


I'd grab a Venom for the Archon and put the Fire Dragons in there instead.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Direwolf posted:

So I saw the end turns of a Deathwing vs Green Tide Orks game this past weekend, and I'm pretty sure there were more dead Terminators by the end than Orks.

What would you guys do if you were faced down by a 100 man squad of t4 guys with Feel No Pain, about half with a 5+ invulnerable from shooting, that can run and charge every turn and has a bunch of Power Klaws inside it, to boot? I mean how do you even kill that?
And I did some of the math on it, it's only like 1000-1100 points, so you still have 1/3 of your army points left to blow.

A pair of whirlwinds comes to mind. Pretty much if I have the slots I force them in.

Cataphract
Sep 10, 2004

Fun Shoe
So it looks like Chapterhouse have had their assets frozen as a result of GWs appeal. The chapterhouse guy made a post to his facebook page and has subsequently had a bit of a meltdown in the comments section replying to trolls.

Hencoe
Sep 4, 2012

MY LIFE GOAL IS TO STICK A FLESHLIGHT INTO THE END OF A HOWITZER AND FUCK THE SHIT OUT OF IT

Cataphract posted:

So it looks like Chapterhouse have had their assets frozen as a result of GWs appeal. The chapterhouse guy made a post to his facebook page and has subsequently had a bit of a meltdown in the comments section replying to trolls.

How did that come about? Unpaid fine or something?

krushgroove
Oct 23, 2007

Disapproving look
Is he not running the company as an LLC? He says his house is under threat, so it doesn't seem like it. If not, that sounds like a personal problem.

Ghost Hand
Aug 10, 2004

Rampant 40k Fanboy

Cataphract posted:

So it looks like Chapterhouse have had their assets frozen as a result of GWs appeal. The chapterhouse guy made a post to his facebook page and has subsequently had a bit of a meltdown in the comments section replying to trolls.

I don't see him flipping out too much in that thread. He's upset (and probably rightly so). So I can understand him being a bit tense. He needs a good PR person though. His original message comes across as "Poor me look at the abuse I am taking."

That said - it's a Court Battle (and called that for a reason), and I have been in enough of them to know you don't give an inch unless you have to.

I don't know poo poo about IP law though so I never get involved in those discussions.

Big Willy Style
Feb 11, 2007

How many Astartes do you know that roll like this?
I've been waiting for this day. What a lovely aftermarket parts supplier and the hobby will be better off without them.

PierreTheMime
Dec 9, 2004

Hero of hormagaunts everywhere!
Buglord
It's okay, he can cast a new house for himself but he'll have to call it "living domicile."

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A Shitty Reporter
Oct 29, 2012
Dinosaur Gum

Hencoe posted:

How did that come about? Unpaid fine or something?

Nope. GW doesn't even have the grounds to file it, but they're doing it anyway. They want to hurt him economically so he's forced to settle, because otherwise the courts are going to rightfully take GW to the cleaners. This has been a long time coming.

Edit: Best case scenario, at least in my opinion, is that he wins and this forces GW to reevaluate the toxic way they've been handling IP issues and their borderline hostile relationship with the hobby. The path they're on now with the bans on bits sales, one-man stores, lack of tournaments, and regular price increases just isn't sustainable. It's making short term profits at the expense of long-term stability and continued loss of both customer numbers and goodwill.

A Shitty Reporter fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Oct 20, 2014

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