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1st AD posted:Should've gotten internal flash memory instead of wasting cash on a fusion drive Yeah, kind of regretting it now. Problem is my current space usage is 927 gigs. That's just too close to the maximum SSD size I could get to be comfortable with.
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1st AD posted:Should've gotten internal flash memory instead of wasting cash on a fusion drive 
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Oct 19, 2014 08:48
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horse mans posted:Yeah, kind of regretting it now. Problem is my current space usage is 927 gigs. That's just too close to the maximum SSD size I could get to be comfortable with.  jesus how???flavor posted:Yeah, I waffled for a bit and then went for the SSD. It's easy to add on external disks using USB 3 or TB 2. yeah now this is the poo poo. Is the RAM still user serviceable on these things? I haven't kept up with the iMac design changes other than the obvious smaller body size due to the removal of the optical drive. Choadmaster posted:The CPUs in the Mac Pro are way better (and pricier) than the iMac's, and the dual GPUs in the Pro are insanely expensive (someone correct me but last I looked I think they were around $1300 each, though maybe they're cheaper). It's nothing like the iMac, hardware-wise. Yeah the GPU's are expensive, but if I'm not mistaken the 4gb configuration offers similar performance to the base D300 configuration on the Mac Pro. Depends on whether or not Davinci, Red, etc. have optimized software for the R9's yet.
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Oct 19, 2014 08:53
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theadder posted:Yes. Respect. Choadmaster posted:The CPUs in the Mac Pro are way better (and pricier) than the iMac's, and the dual GPUs in the Pro are insanely expensive (someone correct me but last I looked I think they were around $1300 each, though maybe they're cheaper). It's nothing like the iMac, hardware-wise. Yeah, it's really for a different market. This article gives some good comments about why one would choose the Retina iMac over the Mac Pro. I still wouldn't mind getting a Mac Pro at some point, but I currently have none of the needs described in that article for choosing the Mac Pro over this iMac. Once there's an external monitor of this quality or better and a Mac Pro that can use it, I'll consider that, but that may be in 2016 or so.
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Oct 19, 2014 09:06
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1st AD posted:
230GB music, 190GB cold storage of old hard drives, backups and optical media, 150GB of movies and things downloaded from Youtube and Twitch, 90GB Steam library, 60GB photo library, 30GB Documents, 25GB non-Steam games, 16GB programming projects, 34GB OS X System, 15GB applications, and the rest is the standard miscellaneous crap that piles up on any system.
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Oct 19, 2014 09:17
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horse mans posted:230GB music, 190GB cold storage of old hard drives, backups and optical media, 150GB of movies and things downloaded from Youtube and Twitch, 90GB Steam library, 60GB photo library, 30GB Documents, 25GB non-Steam games, 16GB programming projects, 34GB OS X System, 15GB applications, and the rest is the standard miscellaneous crap that piles up on any system. The first three are over 500GB and could easily live on an external USB3 drive or basic 1/2-bay NAS.
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Oct 19, 2014 10:33
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BobHoward posted:The first three are over 500GB and could easily live on an external USB3 drive or basic 1/2-bay NAS. Let me understand what you're saying. 1. Accessing my data will be slower with a platter drive than an SSD, so; 2. I should move it to the network so I can have an SSD in my computer?
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Oct 19, 2014 11:10
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Right now, you have maximally 128GB on your 128GB SSD (if I got it correctly that the Fusion drive is a 128GB SSD), so you only have SSD speeds for 128GB of your stuff. If you put your data (movies, music ...), for which access speed is usually much less important, on a platter drive, you could have a bigger SSD.
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Oct 19, 2014 11:17
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Cingulate posted:Right now, you have maximally 128GB on your 128GB SSD (if I got it correctly that the Fusion drive is a 128GB SSD), so you only have SSD speeds for 128GB of your stuff. If you put your data (movies, music ...), for which access speed is usually much less important, on a platter drive, you could have a bigger SSD. Point taken. But it doesn't look like I can change my configuration at this point, and I guess the access speed isn't really noticeable to me. Worth considering next time around, though.
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Oct 19, 2014 11:33
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Yeah realistically most people are gonna need something like 256gb on a SSD - the rest can go external, and if you REALLY need the speed you can throw the rest of your crap on some extra SSD's via USB3 or Thunderbolt.
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Oct 19, 2014 11:41
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Technically speaking, it might be possible to go to eBay and muddle around and retrofit a larger PCIe SSD into your iMac and roll your own Fusion drive. Recently I had a client who had a 1 TB platter Mini, she bought a 512 GB Samsung EVO, made it into a 1.5 TB Fusion drive and she swears it runs faster now.BobHoward posted:The computer really should be taken apart and dried out properly though. All Retina MacBookPros have their keyboards literally glued to the top case so this doesn't really help for liquid spills. In addition, top case and keyboards are only available as combined units. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Oct 19, 2014 |
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Oct 19, 2014 14:16
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So I bought a new base level MacBook Pro last night. I immediately upgraded it to Yosemite, and it's working and looking great (though the switch to Helvetic Neue and the transparancies make it look very close to Linux Mint's default theme, which is... interesting). When I use a laptop on my desk, I like to use a mouse. I was using a Microsoft Sculpt Comfort mouse with my old laptop; it works pretty well with OS X, but there's a side button/gesture area that I was hoping to use with Mission Control and Spaces. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't support the mouse on OS X. So I went into storage and dug out my old wired Apple Mouse--the one with the scroll ball and squeeze gesture (hey, I really want to be able to use Mission Control with a mouse!). Unfortunately, when I go into System Preferences, the changes I make don't actually seem to take effect. Is anyone else still using their old wired Apple Mouse with Yosemite that can confirm that changing the button assignments doesn't work?
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Oct 19, 2014 16:13
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lelandjs posted:So I bought a new base level MacBook Pro last night. I immediately upgraded it to Yosemite, and it's working and looking great (though the switch to Helvetic Neue and the transparancies make it look very close to Linux Mint's default theme, which is... interesting). Get BetterTouchTool and it'll let you assign functions to those buttons on your Microsoft mouse.
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Oct 19, 2014 16:58
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Choadmaster posted:Right now I'm torn between spending $600 to upgrade the ancient gpu in my 2009 Mac Pro or just saving up for another year and getting the 2nd gen retina iMac though. Pretty much the state I'm in and good luck finding the official Mac versions of any of the supported Mac Pro video cards. Had the card in my Mac Pro fail and the flashed-for-Mac replacement I used is causing weird fan issues anytime the machine isn't basically idling where the fan ramps up to max speed and back down to normal speed every minute or so. I could get a retina iMac now, but I keep thinking that jumping on this generation when the next gen will probably have Thunderbolt 3 and Displayport 1.3 might be a mistake.
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Oct 19, 2014 17:23
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If anyone remembers I had that flickering coloured pixel problem on my mid 2010 iMac last winter. The Apple store pretty much gutted my iMac twice and it's been fine ever since but they didn't know what it was exactly. Well, I upgraded to Yosemite and I noticed it came back. I wasn't able to grab a screenshot but I rebooted and it's gone for now. Goddamnit 
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Oct 19, 2014 17:35
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After some back and forth I ordered the base level 15" rMBP as my new desktop machine. It helped that it cost $350 less than in the Apple store. I loved my late 2009 27" iMac but when I had to hit the road for a couple of months last year it simply sat at home collecting dust, and I learned to love my 11" Air. So in the end I went for portability + power + some extra screen estate.
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Oct 19, 2014 18:05
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BobHoward posted:Clearly she got some liquid into the keyboard and possibly trackpad too. The question is whether it was enough liquid to reach the logic board. If it was just the squeezings from antibacterial wipes, hopefully not? Keyboard/trackpad replacement is a lot more affordable than the logic board. Happy_Misanthrope posted:I had the exact same symptoms with my mbook Air when I cleaned it using eyeglass tissues and some (what I felt was) miniscule amount of lens cleaner fluid which was sprayed just on the tissue. Wiped down the keyboard and trackpad, but apparently wasn't careful enough and soon my Air acted like I had the Command/Alt keys permanently pressed. Eventually the keyboard started working enough to get back into OSX. Using the keyboard tools I was able to confirm the keys b through / aren't working and uncannily if I press any of the left cmd, opt or ctrl keys it acts as if all three are pressed. It was a Dettol (  ) antibac wipe, I'm amazed at how little fluid it took to cause that damage. It didn't even take that much grease off the keyboard. I'm going to take it to the Apple Store with a print out of the cleaning instructions from the Apple site and see what the damage is/if I'm justified in being upset about how easily it was damaged.For reference my Mum is a nice woman and meant well.
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Oct 19, 2014 19:27
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Dettol antibacteria wipes actually have quite a lot in them, give them a good twist and see.
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Oct 19, 2014 19:30
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Apple Store doesn't have the Retina iMac yet, if anyone wants to see it in person. They said Friday, along with the new iPad.
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Oct 19, 2014 19:46
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smackfu posted:Apple Store doesn't have the Retina iMac yet, if anyone wants to see it in person. They said Friday, along with the new iPad.
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Oct 19, 2014 19:48
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horse mans posted:Let me understand what you're saying. More like those three categories of things (music, cold storage, downloaded movies) don't need everyday SSD performance, so who cares if they're on slower storage, and thus some options open up. You'll probably do fine with fusion drive, you just mentioned having second thoughts. So... if you wanted to spend even more money you could go 1TB SSD + a 2.5" 1TB external USB3 and partition your ~1TB of data in half. Apple ought to make it a hell of a lot easier to get to the HDD bay in the iMac. Having to use an external if you buy a SSD-only config is dumb, you ought to be allowed to open the thing with a few screws and plug in your own 3.5" HDD.
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Oct 19, 2014 20:13
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BobHoward posted:More like those three categories of things (music, cold storage, downloaded movies) don't need everyday SSD performance, so who cares if they're on slower storage, and thus some options open up. It was a tough call. I think at the end of the day I just like having everything in one place. No drives hanging off the machine, no NAS to maintain.
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Oct 19, 2014 20:20
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flavor posted:Yeah, I waffled for a bit and then went for the SSD. It's easy to add on external disks using USB 3 or TB 2.  , I ordered basically the same thing except I opted for the 512gb SSD instead since I have a NAS.
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Oct 19, 2014 20:53
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The one place where I think the benefit of the Fusion drive gets tamped down is if you want to bootcamp your computer or run a sizeable VM on it, since all of that stuff gets obligately put on the slower HDD.
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Oct 19, 2014 21:43
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horse mans posted:What's to report? I bought the most retarded maxed out retinal iMac and I can't loving wait.
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Oct 19, 2014 21:59
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Is the 3TB Fusion drive really up to the task? I can't find any information on what model they're shipping it with or if it's even 2.5" or 3.5". I'm concerned about taking a performance hit from my 15" MBPr with a 512GB OEM SSD.
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Oct 19, 2014 22:14
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Well it has a 128gig SSD so whatever apps you use the most will run great. Otherwise it's just a standard 7200rpm performance.
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Oct 19, 2014 23:07
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What if I run a Windows VM like, a lot? Will that gently caress with it's attempts to keep the move used files on the SSD?
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Oct 19, 2014 23:22
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horse mans posted:It was a tough call. I think at the end of the day I just like having everything in one place. No drives hanging off the machine, no NAS to maintain. Aren't you going to make any backups? Those require some type of an external disk. (I know there are cloud solutions, but not easily for 3TB.) In any event, you can't have everything in one place unless you don't run backups, which is most definitely not a good idea. While I'm not following any of your reasoning, I don't think selecting the fusion drive is the end of the world. One of the main reasons for me to go SSD-only in this configuration is the longer expected lifespan of SSDs and that there's no good way for me to replace the HDD when it fails after AppleCare expires. Whirlwind Jones posted:Why did you spend $600 on RAM from Apple instead of $280 on RAM from Amazon? Since I did a similar thing: Because I'm not feeling like having to find the correct type and having to deal with a different order. With this configuration, if anything happens, nothing can be blamed on my choice of memory. I don't mind dealing with things coming from several different sources when I build gaming PCs. With PCs, my focus is on price and performance, and I deal with inconveniences off all types and low reliability. With Macs, I want convenience and reliability. Mercurius posted:
Right, I'm just using SMB over ethernet externally, but might go for some Thunderbolt storage in the future. One reason for the big SSD is that I would be able to have the assets locally when I edit movies.
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Oct 19, 2014 23:48
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Nobody who edits seriously puts their OS and edit media on the same drive, SSD or not. And 1tb is not a lot of space for media anyways - editing is one of those use cases where having a Thunderbolt or USB3 raid array makes sense.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:05
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1st AD posted:Nobody who edits seriously puts their OS and edit media on the same drive, SSD or not. And 1tb is not a lot of space for media anyways - editing is one of those use cases where having a Thunderbolt or USB3 raid array makes sense. I guess I'm not "editing seriously" then. Also, thank you for that patronizing info about the amount of disk space, this is totally my very first computer and I have no earthly idea how big my movies are. I'll admit that I'm not a professional Hollywood movie editor and one use case for this machine is to edit whatever I filmed over the years. If this would be my job, I'd have bought a Mac Pro for it. About having the OS on the same disk as the assets, I'll say that at least from what I can tell right now, there's not a lot of disk access going on when I'm not doing much. I could see how it's not a good idea on a machine with not a lot of memory that's swapping and loading applications all the time. I'd think the performance benefit of the SSD would outweigh the speed of the networked storage, even with the occasional read and write from other applications. I've edited movies and other documents on laptops, guess that's also not "serious" because it was all on the same disk as the OS? I very much understand what RAIDs are for, but I feel to see the huge benefit when the assets for a given project are maybe on the order of 20-50 GB.
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Geekbench put some estimates up for Mac minis and state the obvious, quads are faster than duals for multithread tasks: http://www.primatelabs.com/blog/2014/10/estimating-mac-mini-performance/ They give a likely explanation for the lack of new quads at least: quote:So why did Apple switch to dual-core processors in the "Late 2014" lineup? The only technical reason I can think of is that the Haswell dual-core processors use one socket (that is, the physical interface between the processor and the logic board) while the Haswell quad-core processors use different sockets: 1st AD posted:Yeah the GPU's are expensive, but if I'm not mistaken the 4gb configuration offers similar performance to the base D300 configuration on the Mac Pro. Depends on whether or not Davinci, Red, etc. have optimized software for the R9's yet. tl;dr The Mac Pro could use an update. Electric Bugaloo posted:The one place where I think the benefit of the Fusion drive gets tamped down is if you want to bootcamp your computer or run a sizeable VM on it, since all of that stuff gets obligately put on the slower HDD.
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Some applications prefer a single non-SLI/Crossfire GPU to drive the display and the other(s) to do computation, so yeah the Mac Pro would have an advantage there but it looks like the iMac still has a ridiculous price/performance edge unless you need more than 4 physical cores. I still feel like the Mac Pro has been in a weird place ever since i7 iMacs with beefy GPUs have been available, like for the vast majority of users the iMac will be the most cost effective option unless you're looking to build something that can do realtime 5k color grading sessions.
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Oct 20, 2014 00:46
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Hello Spaceman posted:Get BetterTouchTool and it'll let you assign functions to those buttons on your Microsoft mouse. No dice, BTT doesn't see the button on the side. On the other hand, I remembered that Hot Corners are a thing and I'm using that now.
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Oct 20, 2014 02:23
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Has Apple published anywhere the max resolution of a second monitor connected up to a retina iMac? I'd have to think driving the 5k monitor would be a pretty hefty load on the video card already. I know it can't be another 5k monitor since that'd take DP1.3, but was thinking if I got one of hooking up my 30" Apple Display to it at 2560x1600.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:08
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fordan posted:Has Apple published anywhere the max resolution of a second monitor connected up to a retina iMac? I'd have to think driving the 5k monitor would be a pretty hefty load on the video card already. I know it can't be another 5k monitor since that'd take DP1.3, but was thinking if I got one of hooking up my 30" Apple Display to it at 2560x1600. quote:Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 3840 by 2160 pixels on an external display
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Oct 20, 2014 03:24
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fordan posted:Has Apple published anywhere the max resolution of a second monitor connected up to a retina iMac? I'd have to think driving the 5k monitor would be a pretty hefty load on the video card already. I know it can't be another 5k monitor since that'd take DP1.3, but was thinking if I got one of hooking up my 30" Apple Display to it at 2560x1600. Yes, here: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5219, section 18. You can connect two Thunderbolt displays (one if you connect a 60 Hz MST 4k display), so you should be good. E: No mention about DP to Dual DVI or whatever, but if that generally works, it should also work on that machine. Mr. Smile Face Hat fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Oct 20, 2014 03:24
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flavor posted:Yes, here: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5219, section 18.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:29
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lelandjs posted:No dice, BTT doesn't see the button on the side. On the other hand, I remembered that Hot Corners are a thing and I'm using that now. Oh I only recommended it because that's what I use for my Microsoft mouse.
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flavor posted:Aren't you going to make any backups? Those require some type of an external disk. (I know there are cloud solutions, but not easily for 3TB.) In any event, you can't have everything in one place unless you don't run backups, which is most definitely not a good idea. Backups requires a Time Capsule somewhere in my apartment that I plug in and then forget about. That's not really the same as a USB hard drive I need nearby if I ever want to listen to music, or an NAS I have to buy, fill with drives, configure, and maintain. Whirlwind Jones posted:Why did you spend $600 on RAM from Apple instead of $280 on RAM from Amazon? For the same reason Flavor did: because I don't want to have to think about it.
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