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*Hisss* We totally have a thread for this in the Conspiracy forum. It seems like you've taken the iron pill, so me and a few other lizards won't mind sharing some of our secret with you.
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Which is exactly why you're on it. ZING.
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Oct 18, 2014 09:11
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I just watched an Alex Jones that said Obama was paying people to discredit truthers on internet forums.
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Oct 18, 2014 09:22
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Nah, I do the work pro-bono.
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Oct 18, 2014 09:23
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Nah, I do the work pro-homo. So you are forcing the kids in German elementary schools to become trannies and gays, further infecting our socialist utopia with the mindrot?
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Oct 18, 2014 12:01
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With the endless fellating on "The Men Who Built America", I dream of "Ancient Aliens" being shown instead...
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I don't think I've even paused on the H channel for a week now. Last I saw they were doing a show on bigfoot (not the truck) and I called it quits.
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Oct 18, 2014 23:37
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AddMEonFacebook posted:I just watched an Alex Jones that said Obama was paying people to discredit truthers on internet forums. I get paid by Monsanto to discredit 9/11 truthers, does that count?
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ThirdPartyView posted:With the endless fellating on "The Men Who Built America", I dream of "Ancient Aliens" being shown instead... I haven't seen this, but I'm glad they're focusing on the lives of minorities and the lower classes.
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AddMEonFacebook posted:I just watched an Alex Jones that said Obama was paying people to discredit truthers on internet forums. I thought that was a SorosOp.
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Oct 19, 2014 01:03
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"Popular Mechanics" ran an article that supposedly debunked the truthers, but for the record - "Popular Mechanics" is the same magizine that predicted in the 1950s that in the year 2000, everyone would have helicopters and noone would drive cars. I'm not so sure this CIA front operation can really be trusted.
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Oct 20, 2014 03:21
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Scientists once claimed that we'd all have flying cars some day, yet I'm still driving an 86 Honda! Can we really trust them when they say that ebola wasn't created by Obama to wipe out the white man?
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Oct 20, 2014 04:16
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This thread was fun until it became the same circlejerk the conspiracy forum is.
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Under the vegetable posted:This thread was fun until it became the same circlejerk the conspiracy forum is. It's hard for conspiracy bullshit to not get into a circlejerk because the conspiracy theorists themselves are so prone to circlejerking. For all the wacky bullshit they believe in its pretty rare for there to be new ones that pop up. The only one I can recall recently is the weirdos who think Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing were faked.
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AddMEonFacebook posted:"Popular Mechanics" ran an article that supposedly debunked the truthers, but for the record - "Popular Mechanics" is the same magizine that predicted in the 1950s that in the year 2000, everyone would have helicopters and noone would drive cars. I'm not so sure this CIA front operation can really be trusted. I remember that issue. It was in my work bathroom for about a year. I had a brief truther phase and thought that Popular Mechanics' conservative bent only added credibility to my views at the time. http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mobile/technology/military/news/1227842
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Under the vegetable posted:Uh, I didn't say he did. But many people actually can't seek therapy on their own in this country, or are not even aware that it's an option. It's prohibitively expensive and isn't even accessible in many communities. For a time, I had to drive almost two hours to see a psychiatrist in a single township's locally funded mental health facility, because I was from a poor family and lived in a location where the only mental health care available was priced far out of my range. This was before "Obamacare", so even finding a place that was willing to attempt a meeting with a person who didn't have and couldn't afford health insurance was incredibly difficult. I only found the place because one of my school friends' mothers was a psychologist there and personally recommended me.
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So I've been thinking of reading Case For the UFO, as a lark cause I've heard the annotated edition is sine pretty good SciFi. Anyone know if that certain is still in print? Amazon had two different versions of the book or the book and what they said was a sequel, so I've been unsure what is what about it.
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ErIog posted:It's hard for conspiracy bullshit to not get into a circlejerk because the conspiracy theorists themselves are so prone to circlejerking. For all the wacky bullshit they believe in its pretty rare for there to be new ones that pop up. The only one I can recall recently is the weirdos who think Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing were faked.
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ErIog posted:The only one I can recall recently is the weirdos who think Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing were faked. Which really aren't new, just revamped from the ones prior about faked massacres/deaths. Same as the recent rash of "worm meat" in fast food burgers. It's just a revival and update of an old conspiracy from back in the 70's which was used countless times before in other eras. The only thing new about conspiracies is who the victims and who the villains are
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The problem with a lot of the Loose Change brand of 9/11 trutherism is that it tends to get bogged down in the most insane easily debunked red herrings about bombs in the Trade towers and missiles hitting the pentagon. In the midst of this wild goose chase they seem to totally forsake any sort of research into the history of government-criminal alliances and networks and how actual false flag operations have historically been carried out. Let me just tell you if I was a criminal element of the national security state and I was planning to take out the WTC I wouldn't use a black ops commando team planting nano thermite in the buildings and using hologram planes to distract from the bombs. I would actually use my network of contacts and assets in the world of Islamic terrorism and intelligence agencies to recruit nineteen young confused men who are willing to blow themselves up in the name of Islam, and give them covert funding and cover to carry out the mission. Then I would blame it on whatever whack job is out there bombing embassies in Africa. He would probably deny it at first, but would probably come around to accepting responsibility for it to boost his Jihadi street cred. Either way it doesn't matter, its not like anyone would care if he was actually charged with a crime or not, or believe him if he denied it. The hijackers had all sorts of crazy finger prints on them ISI, CIA, Saudi intelligence, German Intelligence, and Mossad. The idea that the truther community is not emphatically following up the leads that are out there that the 9/11 commission didn't even bother to look into shows that it is mostly just a bunch of hot air content to talk about Directed Energy weapons and lasers instead of searching for truth.
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'At this point, what difference does it make?'
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McDowell posted:'At this point, what difference does it make?' Not my president!
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Bulkiest Toaster posted:The problem with a lot of the Loose Change brand of 9/11 trutherism is that it tends to get bogged down in the most insane easily debunked red herrings about bombs in the Trade towers and missiles hitting the pentagon. In the midst of this wild goose chase they seem to totally forsake any sort of research into the history of government-criminal alliances and networks and how actual false flag operations have historically been carried out. This is maybe the best point in the thread. The conspiracy crowed "goes to far" so to speak, but you have to understand a lot of trutherism is CIA funded propaganda - not all of it, mind you, but a good deal. They know if they make it sound stupid, you'll forget about it, so they don't actually give you real information. The CIA actually created a fake conspiracy that "goes too far" to debunk real investigations into the conspiracy. So people ARE looking at the strange facts, like the fact the all the hi-jackers were Saudi, but we de-based from Saudi Arabia to build huge expensive new bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. How it was used also as an excuse to take away civil liberties and pass the patriot act. How it's used to rig our elections, and drive people into supporting wars. However, because the government controls your mind, you just think everyone is a loony with no sense whatsoever making up laughable theories.
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AddMEonFacebook posted:This is maybe the best point in the thread. The conspiracy crowed "goes to far" so to speak, but you have to understand a lot of trutherism is CIA funded propaganda - not all of it, mind you, but a good deal. They know if they make it sound stupid, you'll forget about it, so they don't actually give you real information. The CIA actually created a fake conspiracy that "goes too far" to debunk real investigations into the conspiracy. So people ARE looking at the strange facts, like the fact the all the hi-jackers were Saudi, but we de-based from Saudi Arabia to build huge expensive new bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. How it was used also as an excuse to take away civil liberties and pass the patriot act. How it's used to rig our elections, and drive people into supporting wars. However, because the government controls your mind, you just think everyone is a loony with no sense whatsoever making up laughable theories. Or, you know, life is chaotic and sometimes a small group of people can pull of a massively destructive act and unsavory political results can occur. But please, do go on about how the CIA is behind all of this and how the government is controlling our minds. You're just scratching the same itch as the truthers, satisfying the part of your brain that wants things to be orderly and controlled.
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AddMEonFacebook posted:This is maybe the best point in the thread. The conspiracy crowed "goes to far" so to speak, but you have to understand a lot of trutherism is CIA funded propaganda - not all of it, mind you, but a good deal. They know if they make it sound stupid, you'll forget about it, so they don't actually give you real information. The CIA actually created a fake conspiracy that "goes too far" to debunk real investigations into the conspiracy. So people ARE looking at the strange facts, like the fact the all the hi-jackers were Saudi, but we de-based from Saudi Arabia to build huge expensive new bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. How it was used also as an excuse to take away civil liberties and pass the patriot act. How it's used to rig our elections, and drive people into supporting wars. However, because the government controls your mind, you just think everyone is a loony with no sense whatsoever making up laughable theories. Here, let me help you. These are the facts or opinions that reasonable folks would probably agree with based on the generally-accepted story: - the fact the all the hi-jackers were Saudi, but we de-based from Saudi Arabia to build huge expensive new bases in Iraq and Afghanistan - it was used also as an excuse to take away civil liberties and pass the patriot act - it's used to [...] drive people into supporting wars These are the facts that reasonable folks might not (note: basically restatements of one theory): - it's used to rig our elections - a lot of trutherism is CIA funded propaganda - not all of it, mind you, but a good deal - The CIA actually created a fake conspiracy that "goes too far" to debunk real investigations into the conspiracy - because the government controls your mind, you just think everyone is a loony with no sense whatsoever making up laughable theories Can you explain how the first group of facts supports the second group, and doesn't support anything else? (or introduce new facts as needed?)
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Oh hey some new posts I wonder what dumb poo poo they're making fun of n...AddMEonFacebook posted:This is maybe the best point in the thread. The conspiracy crowed "goes to far" so to speak, but you have to understand a lot of trutherism is CIA funded propaganda - not all of it, mind you, but a good deal. They know if they make it sound stupid, you'll forget about it, so they don't actually give you real information. The CIA actually created a fake conspiracy that "goes too far" to debunk real investigations into the conspiracy. So people ARE looking at the strange facts, like the fact the all the hi-jackers were Saudi, but we de-based from Saudi Arabia to build huge expensive new bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. How it was used also as an excuse to take away civil liberties and pass the patriot act. How it's used to rig our elections, and drive people into supporting wars. However, because the government controls your mind, you just think everyone is a loony with no sense whatsoever making up laughable theories. 
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Bulkiest Toaster posted:The problem with a lot of the Loose Change brand of 9/11 trutherism is that it tends to get bogged down in the most insane easily debunked red herrings about bombs in the Trade towers and missiles hitting the pentagon. In the midst of this wild goose chase they seem to totally forsake any sort of research into the history of government-criminal alliances and networks and how actual false flag operations have historically been carried out. Well, yes, but it's not that they really want to know the real truth. They simply have this belief and shoehorn whatever happens into it. There's already this belief among them that the government is out to manipulate the world for it's own benefit (forget that the government can barely get along long enough to pass anything, let alone plot to false flag their way to riches) and such incidents just become opinionated lectures on how it was done by that government. The bigger downside is you get these people that go looking for the truth from a completely ignorant background that run across millions of hits for these conspiracy sites before they come across the ones that explain it all. In the end it's a bunch of nuts trying to prove their wacky beliefs are right and being extremely loud mouthed about it
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AddMEonFacebook posted:This is maybe the best point in the thread. The conspiracy crowed "goes to far" so to speak, but you have to understand a lot of trutherism is CIA funded propaganda - not all of it, mind you, but a good deal. They know if they make it sound stupid, you'll forget about it, so they don't actually give you real information. The CIA actually created a fake conspiracy that "goes too far" to debunk real investigations into the conspiracy. So people ARE looking at the strange facts, like the fact the all the hi-jackers were Saudi, but we de-based from Saudi Arabia to build huge expensive new bases in Iraq and Afghanistan. How it was used also as an excuse to take away civil liberties and pass the patriot act. How it's used to rig our elections, and drive people into supporting wars. However, because the government controls your mind, you just think everyone is a loony with no sense whatsoever making up laughable theories. Source your quotes please
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Ok, poo poo, the internet is close to finding us out. People in the know Δ, the sheeple must never know what hit them! Initiate contigency plan B.U.T.T.L.O.R.D. to maintain integrity of population control measure S.H.A.F.T.L.I.C.K., using protection protocol C.U.N.T.F.L.A.P. Evil Fluffy posted:Oh hey some new posts I wonder what dumb poo poo they're making fun of n... Move along, citizen. Nothing to see here, if you know what's good for you.
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Why is the idea that the US government is just as opportunistic as anything in this world so incomprehensible to some people? Yes, 9/11 and related terrorism was useful to the Bush administration for rationalising increased surveillance and driving jingoism. But just because they in some ways benefitted from it doesn't mean they caused it! Sometimes you just get 'lucky' and that applies to world superpowers too. 
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I think the Project for a New American Century has something to do with it: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf Basically right wing think tank produces various documents outline how they wish to use American power to be the dominant 21st century superpower, increasing military spending, keeping Russia and China in check whilst ensuring hydrocarbon supply. One of their documents has the following line:  Except this wasn't just any right wing think tank, it lists some quite influential individuals as its members. Project directors[edit] [as listed on the PNAC website:] William Kristol, Co-founder and Chairman[1] Robert Kagan, Co-founder[1] Bruce P. Jackson[1] Mark Gerson[1] Randy Scheunemann[1] Signatories to Statement of Principles[edit] Elliott Abrams[3] Gary Bauer[3] William J. Bennett[3] John Ellis "Jeb" Bush[3] Dick Cheney[3] Eliot A. Cohen[3] Midge Decter[3] Paula Dobriansky[3] Steve Forbes[3] Aaron Friedberg[3] Francis Fukuyama[3] Frank Gaffney[3] Fred C. Ikle[3] Donald Kagan[3] Zalmay Khalilzad[3] I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby[3] Norman Podhoretz[3] J. Danforth Quayle[3] Peter W. Rodman[3] Stephen P. Rosen[3] Henry S. Rowen[3] Donald Rumsfeld[3] Vin Weber[3] George Weigel[3] Paul Wolfowitz[3] Oh so some of the key people who really did benefit from 9/11 and the iraq war kinda produced a few documents ahead of time saying how just a thing would be really handy to some of their goals. You could say they got lucky with 9/11 JFairfax fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Nov 17, 2014 |
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blowfish posted:Ok, poo poo, the internet is close to finding us out. I worked briefly for a company that was selling stuff to the Army, and one of the things they seemed to like was having code-ish ways of talking about things and particularly acronyms. So over beers with a very drunk sergent we came up with names for our two products. The Tactical Information Transfer System (TITS), the hardware plaform And the Army Remote Surveilance Engine (ARSE), the software platform. Ultimately we had to come up with more sensible acronyms. I probably cant tell you those.
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duck monster posted:The Tactical Information Transfer System (TITS), the hardware plaform  BBJoey posted:Why is the idea that the US government is just as opportunistic as anything in this world so incomprehensible to some people? Yes, 9/11 and related terrorism was useful to the Bush administration for rationalising increased surveillance and driving jingoism. But just because they in some ways benefitted from it doesn't mean they caused it! Sometimes you just get 'lucky' and that applies to world superpowers too. The realisation that poo poo happens is one of the greatest advances in the history of human thought. No, the tree did not fall on your uncle because I looked at him with evil eyes.
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JFairfax posted:I think the Project for a New American Century has something to do with it: Ok, first off, you need to understand how this sounds to someone who hasn't bought into the conspiracy: we've got some powerful people saying 'man if a traumatic event occured we could get away with poo poo' and then, after a traumatic event occurs, getting away with said poo poo. You've shown that powerful people recognised they stood to gain from a galvanising event. That's not proof of conspiracy, it's proof that they have brains. Anyone who knows anything about politics understands that having an event to rally a nation around is an excellent tool for enforcing your agenda. All that you've proven is that these powerful political figures acknowledged this basic fact. Which brings me to my second point. You expect me to believe that these powerbrokers masterminded the execution of one of the most important terrorist attacks of the past century, but they forgot to cover up their article saying 'boy, the things we could get away with after a terrorist attack  '? I thought they were a bit too savvy and ruthless for that? Or is this some illuminati reptilian thing where to maintain their power they have to leave the dots in plain sight for clever internet users to join.
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BBJoey posted:Ok, first off, you need to understand how this sounds to someone who hasn't bought into the conspiracy: we've got some powerful people saying 'man if a traumatic event occured we could get away with poo poo' and then, after a traumatic event occurs, getting away with said poo poo. You've shown that powerful people recognised they stood to gain from a galvanising event. That's not proof of conspiracy, it's proof that they have brains. Anyone who knows anything about politics understands that having an event to rally a nation around is an excellent tool for enforcing your agenda. All that you've proven is that these powerful political figures acknowledged this basic fact. Not to mention that I don't think the document says anything about false flag attacks.
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Always amazing how these groups pulling off world changing events can do it so perfectly and cleanly, but they let stupid poo poo slip that totally pins the blame on them. And not just let something like that slip, but let it slip[ to some idiot on the internet and not some security group with their vast array of information gathering ability and tech that would basically cream their pants in joy to find something to blemish that government. They're smart but they're dumb It's black but it's white It's hot but it's cold
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I am not saying there's a conspiracy, more as a response to someone saying there were opportunistic. I mean they were, but but the people involved in the PNAC were very lucky that a mere year or so into the presidency of their man, they got their catalysing new Perl Harbour. They were lucky guys. I mean that really worked out well for them. Oh and they did have specific warnings that bin laden was determined to strike in the US. and you know he had targeted the WTC before, you know - that line in Juicy - "Blow Up Like the World Trade" - it's not as if attacking that site was some sort of crazy out there notion, it had happened before.  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=0 So no, I don't think they planned it. But they sure thought something like an attack on US interest could be useful to them, and seemingly their president ignored warnings about an event which clearly played into their agenda. Rumsfeld having a word in George's ear. No Mr President, we don't need to worry about Bin Laden. No Sir, we have it all in hand. What we really need to worry about is Saddam Hussien in I-RAk. Who knows. And quite frankly at this point it doesn't really matter. They got the event they desired and made the most of the hand they were dealt. Were they card counting? Did they load the deck? Doesn't matter really.
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JFairfax posted:I am not saying there's a conspiracy, more as a response to someone saying there were opportunistic. Oh yes, just like Roosevelt allowed for Pearl Harbour.
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