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wheez the roux posted:hawks embracing the post-superbowl heel turn Oh man, we're totally pulling a Tampa Bay post Superbowl win aren't we?
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Harvin will be wearing #16 if anyone cares.
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Utopian Mind posted:Oh man, we're totally pulling a Tampa Bay post Superbowl win aren't we? A slow, inexorable slide into inescapable mediocrity? Who is the Pac 12 version of Schiano? Besides Jim Mora Jr, of course. Maybe Rich Rod?
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One thing to point out was that Doug Baldwin had 7 catches for 123 yards and a TD yesterday. Note, his highest yards this season before that was 56 yards. I think the offense will be fine. They eventually found their rhythm in the 2nd half, but the biggest issue isn't their WR corps, it's their o-line not protecting Wilson and being a magnet for flags.
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The more I think about this the more I wonder how the hell Seattle only got a 6th for Percy Harvin. I can think of a dozen FO's that should have jumped at a chance for a player like that. It doesn't make sense.
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Ozu posted:Harvin will be wearing #16 if anyone cares. Percy has, in front of him, the largest task in the NFL. Well, largest task other than getting the Jets to win, but let's not get crazy. Can he make the NEW JERSEY FOOTBALL JETS watchable?
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Barnwell's take... http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-percy-harvin-saga-how-seattle-lost-and-the-jets-won/ NC-17 posted:The more I think about this the more I wonder how the hell Seattle only got a 6th for Percy Harvin. I can think of a dozen FO's that should have jumped at a chance for a player like that. It doesn't make sense.
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NC-17 posted:The more I think about this the more I wonder how the hell Seattle only got a 6th for Percy Harvin. I can think of a dozen FO's that should have jumped at a chance for a player like that. It doesn't make sense. I would take him in Tampa. And we don't even need him...I think? I don't loving know what Tampa needs but I would trade every QB we have for Percy Harvin because we can't be any worse in that situation.
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NC-17 posted:The more I think about this the more I wonder how the hell Seattle only got a 6th for Percy Harvin. I can think of a dozen FO's that should have jumped at a chance for a player like that. It doesn't make sense.
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Ozu posted:Barnwell's take... How can he possibly say the Jets won the trade before Harvin plays a snap?
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mcmagic posted:How can he possibly say the Jets won the trade before Harvin plays a snap?
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Also, Jets don't really care about 4th round picks. They already cut their 4th round pick from this year.
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Ozu posted:They win because they're paying dirt prices and no future guarantee for an asset valued far beyond cost. Listen I know you really want to poo poo on this one because IDZIK, but the only downside is going into the offseason $55m under the cap instead of $62m. At the very least they'll get a clearer picture of what Geno is before they have to make a decision. No I don't want to poo poo on it. It's a no brainer move. They actually have 2 NFL WR's now. The context of the whole thing, the timing is just odd paired with the way they bungled the offseason is annoying. I also don't have any kind of faith in their ability to judge Smith's progress. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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quote:@AlbertBreer quote:Virtually every one of Harvin’s touches in the passing game came within five yards of the line of scrimmage. I only counted four passes past the sticks to Harvin in five weeks: a deep crossing route that went for 33 yards, an interception on a deep out (on what looked like a coverage misread from Russell Wilson), and a pair of passes negated by penalties, including a 41-yard touchdown pass up the seam, one of three Harvin touchdowns wiped off the board in Washington. Harvin was otherwise never thrown a go route or even a deep curl against teams scared of his speed. Crucially, there was never a play where Wilson improvised, got out of the pocket, and found Harvin for any sort of downfield pass.
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Oct 20, 2014 18:50
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The trade was good for both teams, as he would have been cut if not traded.
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Because that is what the Seattle FO decided was necessary, what we are saying is that it was an idiotic determination to see getting rid of Harvin as necessary instead of fixing their offensive scheme. People said the same thing about the Boldin trade to SF. That argument is the last refuge of those defending an indefensible trade.
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Oct 20, 2014 19:51
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Like the Bears getting rid of Greg Olsen. Man was that dumb.
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When the GM even admits it was a bad idea, you know it's the truth.
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Come on. Look at that goddamn tracksuit.
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Because that is what the Seattle FO decided was necessary, what we are saying is that it was an idiotic determination to see getting rid of Harvin as necessary instead of fixing their offensive scheme. The offense is better without him and he is incredibly injury prone
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The Puppy Bowl posted:Because that is what the Seattle FO decided was necessary, what we are saying is that it was an idiotic determination to see getting rid of Harvin as necessary instead of fixing their offensive scheme. The trade was bad and Seattle was misusing Harvin.
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Oct 20, 2014 20:18
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Ozu posted:Come on. Look at that goddamn tracksuit. I'm more worried about that awful couch.
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Chichevache posted:The trade was bad and Seattle was misusing Harvin. This is 100% the correct answer. I can't see any reason to justify the trade.
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Manoueverable posted:This is 100% the correct answer. I can't see any reason to justify the trade. To afford extending Wilson is my #1 guess and has been from the start
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Ozu posted:Barnwell's take... Barnwell pretty much confirms what I was thinking all along: Darrell Bevell is a dicknose. I mean yeah the opportunity cost with Harvin and not getting that back was bad on Schneider's part, but if Seattle had a remotely competent offensive coordinator who realized that if the first 50 bubble screens don't work that maybe something should change, Harvin would probably still be with Seattle right now.
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Oct 20, 2014 20:26
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I'll judge the trade at the end of the season but I'm not predicting Harvin lighting it up for the jets or even staying healthy. Bevell is a turd though and I don't buy into the Schneider is a genius narrative either.
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You're nothing if not persistent my Seahawk friend
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Intruder posted:To afford extending Wilson is my #1 guess and has been from the start With the salary cap increases coming they were probably gonna pay Wilson regardless. This means we can afford a linebacking corps.
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Doug Baldwin is part of the conspiracy http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11729755/doug-baldwin-says-percy-harvin-trade-was-factor-seattle-seahawks-loss-st-louis-rams
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GNU Order posted:There's actually an impressive number of Hawks posters who didn't just show up because of the Super Bowl
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Intruder posted:To afford extending Wilson is my #1 guess and has been from the start They knew they had to extend Wilson when they gave Harvin an extension. They were counting on him to be a cornerstone of the offense. Oops.
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commy gun posted:They knew they had to extend Wilson when they gave Harvin an extension. They were counting on him to be a cornerstone of the offense. Really feels like there's a lot of poo poo that went into this decision. They could've paid Wilson with Harvin on the roster, but money is always a concern. Harvin was being misused by the teams OC. He was asked to become a horizontal playmaker full time, which didn't seem to sit well with him. It's being said that he wouldn't return to two other games this season. Taking himself out of games almost certainly pissed off the coaching staff, even if his frustration was justified. We know for sure that he was in at least one fight with Golden Tate and Doug Baldwin and Russell Wilson have been very reserved when talking about him. Michael Robinson confirmed the Tate incident during Super Bowl week. He also said that fights are much more common than people would think. This probably just increased the team's desire to move on from him, especially if he was fighting with Wilson. So I guess it looks like this to me: > Overpaid for his lack of production which could be attributed to a piss poor play caller > Salty about being misused, takes himself out of games > Takin himself out of games puts him at odds with teammates, especially in close losses > Friction leads to fights with teammates and general discord within the offense Just a storm of unfortunate poo poo that probably could've been solved if the team ever tried to get him involved in games outside of sweeps and bubble screens. He's had a long time reputation as a player that wants to get lots of targets, being given the ball in situations that are almost certainly doomed to failure was probably maddening. Seems like plenty of blame to go around. It's certainly not all on Percy. Schwack fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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I mean, yeah, now that the dust has settled a bit, I think there are a few obvious conclusions to draw: 1. Seattle really hosed up in the initial trade for Harvin 2. The Jets are essentially gambling a sixth rounder for the (high percentage) opportunity to add a real contributor to one of their greatest areas of need 3. Seattle realized they cannot use Harvin well and at least gave themselves the cap flexibility to re-sign guys they actually like But really, what is the worst case scenario for the Jets here? That Harvin shows a little something, gets hurt right away again, then re-sign him and give up a fourth, only to discover that Harvin will actually never be a meaningful player for the rest of his career? That's incredibly unlikely, and the Jets still only lose a 4th rounder. Or, I guess, Harvin poisons the locker room and it exacerbates the existing character concerns so much that the entire team gets kicked off their plane and they have to Skype into MetLife to say "gently caress you" to all their fans remotely, while sitting in a movie theater with watches in PST.
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I think it's kind of dubious that Percy Harvin was as much of a cancer as Seattle's FO is leading people to believe You could also attribute a lot of that friction to Harvin's role on the team but idk
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Oh please, next you're going to tell me that DeSean Jackson isn't a crip
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Burger Trench posted:Oh please, next you're going to tell me that DeSean Jackson isn't a crip No I'm pretty sure he's healthy again
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Febreeze posted:No I'm pretty sure he's healthy again 
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Apparently, Harvin was such a locker room cancer that the Seahawks now have PTSD. Doug Baldwin was in shock. Marshawn Lynch wouldn't get on the bus. Too many memories. I guess that's why they hosed up those punts. Strobe lights and body slams flashing before their eyes. The horror. The horror.
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Apparently a lot of Harvin's angst was that he wasn't being used in downfield plays. Instead he kept getting the sweep / bubble screen treatment to the point where he said "screw it I'm out" and pulled himself out of plays. So there was a distrust created between Harvin and Wilson that came about because Bevell couldn't use Harvin correctly. For one, I can understand Harvin's frustration, but being an rear end and pulling yourself out of plays (especially when plays are designed with your presence in mind) is a pretty terrible thing to do. It's for the best that he's gone, but if we had utilized him properly to begin, we wouldn't be in this situation.
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Pron on VHS posted:I love Parm's shift into a funny poster now that he is restricted on what he posts about dawwww
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