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SpookyLizard posted:I don't think that it is soylent meld It expressly is not-the cutscene tell you this outright. MELD is pure nano-tech, there is no biological component.
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Mostly I'm just hurting for time on research now, which is why I need that laboratory. +20% research speed, +10% for adjacency to another lab (in this case, the gene lab). If I had two research laboratories next to each other that'd be a massive +50% research speed, making stuff that takes ten days only take five, but labs are expensive.
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Oct 20, 2014 16:01
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Bloodly posted:It expressly is not-the cutscene tell you this outright. MELD is pure nano-tech, there is no biological component. "The crystalline structure housed within the canister is actually a suspension - containing billions of cybernetic nanomachines - each made up of both organic and mechanical components." That sounds biological to me. Speedball posted:Mostly I'm just hurting for time on research now, which is why I need that laboratory. +20% research speed, +10% for adjacency to another lab (in this case, the gene lab). If I had two research laboratories next to each other that'd be a massive +50% research speed, making stuff that takes ten days only take five, but labs are expensive. It'd take +100% to go from ten days down to five. It's an increase to speed, not a percent decrease in time required. Newtime = OldTime/(1+percent increase), not Newtime = OldTime*(1-percentdecrease) Your system would be hilarious though. Build a 4-block of labs (one could be a genetics lab for 3*20+4*10=100) and everything finishes instantly. Peanut3141 fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Oct 20, 2014 16:02
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Peanut3141 posted:"The crystalline structure housed within the canister is actually a suspension - containing billions of cybernetic nanomachines - each made up of both organic and mechanical components." Biological implies alive. Organic just means it's carbon-based. Like plastic, for example, or ethanol.
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Oct 20, 2014 16:06
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deadly_pudding posted:Biological implies alive. Organic just means it's carbon-based. Like plastic, for example, or ethanol. All plastic and ethanol I'm aware of come from a biological source. At any rate, the cutscene does not explicitly rule out biological components, which was the statement I was responding to. Peanut3141 fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Oct 20, 2014 16:08
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It also sounds like it's being used in its colloquial form, that is literal bits of biological stuff floating there, as opposed to the chemical definition of molecules with carbon chains and discrete sub-parts dangling off it. Don't assume a specialist meaning in a work for a general audience.
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Oct 20, 2014 16:12
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It also says cybernetic which implies both mechanical and biological componants. V yeah but that makes no sense in this context. Rumda fucked around with this message at 16:22 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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Oct 20, 2014 16:15
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Rumda posted:It also says cybernetic which implies both mechanical and biological componants In colloquial use, sure. But if we want to climb all the way up into the ivory tower, it doesn't have to involve either one of those when used academically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics
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Oct 20, 2014 16:18
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Peanut3141 posted:In colloquial use, sure. I don't see why we wouldn't want to climb as far as possible up the ivory tower. I mean, like, that's where all the good boss fights and treasures are. Sorry I started a weird internet argument about meld 
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Oct 20, 2014 16:21
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deadly_pudding posted:I don't see why we wouldn't want to climb as far as possible up the ivory tower. I mean, like, that's where all the good boss fights and treasures are. I don't know about you, but finding weird is 50% of the reason I use the internet. Kinda explains my presence on these forums.somethingawful.com now, doesn't it?
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Oct 20, 2014 16:23
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Vote my thread 5! It has weirder discussions than the other X-com thread!  Seriously, it's fine.
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Oct 20, 2014 19:41
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Speedball posted:Vote my thread 5! It has weirder discussions than the other X-com thread! Will do! I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Oct 20, 2014 21:44
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By the way Speedball; are you running Ironman for maximum dramatic tension, or saving or loading for a more guided story?
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Oct 20, 2014 22:27
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Ironman LPs don't really work since if something happens to your footage, you're pretty much hosed since you can't reload and redo.
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Oct 20, 2014 22:36
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Cathulhu posted:Ironman LPs don't really work since if something happens to your footage, you're pretty much hosed since you can't reload and redo. That's a good point, but Beagle's LPs work, although he makes the Ironman part a pretty big point of the concept.
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Oct 20, 2014 22:42
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I wonder what a game of darts would be like at the HQ.
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Oct 20, 2014 22:54
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Black Griffon posted:That's a good point, but Beagle's LPs work, although he makes the Ironman part a pretty big point of the concept. I thought he always played honor-system Ironman so he wouldn't be irrevocably hosed by bugs? Maybe I'm misremembering. That'd be the only way you could get me to do it though, given some of the weird poo poo I've had and seen happen in this game. As far as the commander's poll, I just hope we get generally available robotic part replacements because, again, fix my damned eyes. Plus it's The Year Of Our Lord 2014, where the hell are the generally-available flying cars and stuff 
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Oct 20, 2014 22:57
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Cathulhu posted:Ironman LPs don't really work since if something happens to your footage, you're pretty much hosed since you can't reload and redo. Also because This game is known to crash a lot. so having backup saves is a ton easier when you can reload. Plus you can even keep the random seed so you take shots even though you'll know the outcome in advance.
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Oct 20, 2014 23:38
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Yea, I had the game crash on me and I have only steam running in the background, it'd probably crash more often with whatever setup Speedball has for recording the LP. It's a fun game, but it's fairly buggy.
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Oct 20, 2014 23:52
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I'm more or less doing honor-system Ironman but am occasionally manipulating things for a more guided story. I notice that whenever I stop taking screenshots and just play out the mission for fun someone dies, usually starting with Leroy.
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Oct 20, 2014 23:57
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Speedball posted:I notice that whenever I stop taking screenshots and just play out the mission for fun someone dies, usually starting with Leroy. That's part of why I'd have liked there to be footage of your playthrough. Don't get me wrong, I'm loving the pseudo-story screenshot playthrough, but... You're doing something very right, it seems! And I can't figure out what, just going by the screenshots. I tend to lose someone ever few missions, and that's on an easier difficulty. Heck, after installing Long War I had to basically give up on getting the asian man (too lazy to find his name) because the mission was just far too deadly.
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Oct 21, 2014 00:29
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Combination of me thinking out my moves REALLY carefully and making absolutely sure I kill the maximum number of aliens each turn. Defensively, not skimping on the smoke grenades. Way too many people forget about 'em. I think I'm making Hugo a smoker instead of a medic.
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Oct 21, 2014 01:00
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aerion111 posted:That's part of why I'd have liked there to be footage of your playthrough. It's not at all uncommon for screenshot LPs to have much more in-game success than normal play. The act of making the LP tends to be a pretty methodical process, which means you spend more time thinking about your turns and thus are less likely to make "whoops I didn't realize this would happen" errors.
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Oct 21, 2014 01:21
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Also, you tend to just play slower in general, since you're thinking about the story reasons behind actions.
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Oct 21, 2014 01:28
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Speedball posted:Combination of me thinking out my moves REALLY carefully and making absolutely sure I kill the maximum number of aliens each turn. Defensively, not skimping on the smoke grenades. Way too many people forget about 'em. Nofriendo Entertainment System › Smoking is good for your health! We're not X-Men. We're XCOM.
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Turks posted:Nofriendo Entertainment System › Smoking is good for your health! We're not X-Men. We're XCOM. I just realized that the board name changed. That's hilarious!
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Oct 21, 2014 01:43
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aerion111 posted:That's part of why I'd have liked there to be footage of your playthrough. EDIT: and he's playing semi-ironman (i.e., not in-game Ironman, but only to avoid a game-breaking bug ending the LP.)
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Oct 21, 2014 02:16
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working on annoying exam stuff now, no XCOM until the weekend I'm sorry. Maybe I can give you two updates in the weekend though. ...also Civ:BE won't be released on Macs until later in the year so fortunately you don't have to worry about it stealing me from you. Or gifting it to me. Yet. Muahahahaha.
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FredMSloniker posted:You might try checking out The Definitive X-Com Commanders Guide, also in this fine subforum. Instead of a narrative LP, the LPer focuses on how to play the game right. So far he's gotten through 36 missions without losing a single soldier. There's also YouTuber Zemalf, who goes through an entire Impossible Ironman run without losing a single mission, interceptor or soldier (and I believe it's a blind Enemy Within/Operation Progeny run at that). The best part is that he didn't set out to do a perfect run, but his playstyle (while sometimes maddening to watch) absolutely breaks the computer over his knee.
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Polaron posted:There's also YouTuber Zemalf, who goes through an entire Impossible Ironman run without losing a single mission, interceptor or soldier (and I believe it's a blind Enemy Within/Operation Progeny run at that). I forget who, but someone with youtube playthroughs of XCOM insists on moving his entire group as one unit, out of cover in a cluster, overwatching all the time. It gets him further than I would think.
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Well basically you're totally safe so long as no alien pods are active. If you're careful-ish, you can clear each pod as you reveal it. Ever since I started watching Beagle I've been a big fan of the Conga-line movement method, usually led by my punchy MEC, who is faster, allowing my slower units to dash up behind him while being totally safe.
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Oct 23, 2014 07:49
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Initial reports of Beyond Earth are that it is good but not refined.Might need an expansion or two before it is truly great, like C Civ 5 and Xcom before it. Plastic Snake 2 may need a while.
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Oct 24, 2014 02:32
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I dunno, I felt like XCOM was pretty great at initial release as well. The expansion was just like putting ice cream on top of your apple pie, it's great to begin with but now you've just got that much extra on top. Except that it's hard to imagine going back now. Also enjoying the LP so far, looking forward to the continued adventures of XCOM.
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Speedball posted:Initial reports of Beyond Earth are that it is good but not refined.Might need an expansion or two before it is truly great, like C Civ 5 and Xcom before it. Everyone was too dazzled by the shiny streamlined visuals of Civ V at first to notice it was badly balanced, wanting for content, and had a broken multiplayer. Still, the Culture downgrade and supposedly military focus is troublesome.
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Oct 24, 2014 03:06
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Civ-style games always need a few months' worth of shakedown at minimum before they start being decent. I'm not really surprised that Beyond Earth is a little shaky.
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Oct 24, 2014 03:26
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What Civ was the least shaky at release?
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Oct 24, 2014 05:24
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Dreamsicle posted:What Civ was the least shaky at release? Civ 2 probably. Maybe 3.
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Oct 24, 2014 06:08
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Civ 2 came out the box with Elvis the Luxuries Advisor. It was, therefore, perfection.
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Oct 24, 2014 06:10
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I've been enjoying this LP so far, I like some of the characterizations you've created. I tried the original game on the 360, I think my biggest mistake was playing it like the original XCom and focused on boosting my research to the point where I was researching things quickly, but my low number of engineers meant I had little ability to expand my radar coverage or actually make any of the stuff I had figured out.
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It's passable for now, at least. Even thought yeah. balance, lol.
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