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Pinterest Mom posted:I'm sure 1966 Democrats were thrilled at the prospect of a 1968 Nixon candidacy, too. Romney wishes he was Nixon.
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Romney ran a (largely) competent campaign in 2012 and some of the areas where he had trouble, particularly in foreign policy, are places where public opinion in the US has since flipped in his favor. I wouldn't be so confident about running against him in 2016, though we can't know what the geopolitical scene will look like two years from now. If you're the Democrats, the most favorable matchups are the people who aren't going to win the primary. Your Ben Carsons, Newt Gingrichs, and Rick Santorums. Paul and Cruz are trickier.
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Oct 20, 2014 23:27
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Pinterest Mom posted:I'm sure 1966 Democrats were thrilled at the prospect of a 1968 Nixon candidacy, too. I don't see much opportunity to co-opt a single-issue voting block quite as large as the entire southeastern united states, this time around. That said, I think Mitt could do aight if he accomplished two things: 1) avoid terrible gaffes (the electorate has a short memory and I don't know that his gaffes from last time would kill him, regardless of how many times the democrats brought them back up) 2) find some way to stick to his centrist guns and run the way he ran in his statewide campaigns. Probably pry loose a nontrivial number of (white) democratic voters in colorado, new hampshire and the southern swing-states. These both seem pretty far-fetched by this point, and I don't think he will run considering that he purportedly had to be dragooned into it last time around.
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Oct 20, 2014 23:33
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Idran posted:I understand that, yeah, but he wasn't even making a birther argument, was the annoying thing. He was saying that yes, Obama was born in the US and was qualified to be president, but if he hadn't been then according to section G of that law, he wouldn't be a citizen by birth because his mother had only lived in the US for a year after her 14th birthday at the time of Obama's birth and his father wasn't a citizen. Sounds like your friend hates Obama. Talk to him about it.
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Oct 21, 2014 00:06
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PupsOfWar posted:1) avoid terrible gaffes (the electorate has a short memory and I don't know that his gaffes from last time would kill him, regardless of how many times the democrats brought them back up) 1a) Keep Ann Romney the gently caress away from cameras and microphones.
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Oct 21, 2014 00:10
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Cythereal posted:1a) Keep Ann Romney the gently caress away from cameras and microphones. Let Rafalca do all photo opps and sound bites.
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Oct 21, 2014 00:16
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Rocks posted:Who do the democrats want running on the GOP side? I'd imagine the best (aka worst) runner would be Rand or Cruz, but Romneys gotta be high up on the list too. Rand Paul would be the best. He's a man who has a few "concerns" about the civil rights act, aid to Israel, and he thinks maybe the security state or defense budget shouldn't be so bloated. They can call him a racist/anti-semite and combo it with him being soft on defense/crime. Rand Paul thinking we shouldn't be imprisoning so many black men could be a CO-CO-CO-COMBOBREAKER, though.
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Oct 21, 2014 00:57
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Mitt Romney isn't going to run again, as much as we'd all like him to.
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Oct 21, 2014 01:15
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Pinterest Mom posted:I guess Kasich's not running Well, that didn't last long: https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/524346253086576640
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Oct 21, 2014 01:20
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Joementum posted:Well, that didn't last long: https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/524346253086576640 Honestly, this is a case where he's trapped between two races. Publicly saying gently caress Obamacare in Ohio isn't the greatest idea since the medicaid expansion is a thing, and our premiums dropped some. At the same time, he has to be able to point to that tweet if he decides he wants to run. Honestly, I'll be surprised if he does at this point--he has a literal stranglehold on Columbus at this point and can do whatever he wants which generally means "more money for me. gently caress you". He's too Boehner-esque to want the presidency--no way he wants to try to wrangle the tea party or deal with that when that's his most similar comparison for work ethic.
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Oct 21, 2014 01:43
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Let's quickly check in with the Bill Kristol. Well, his streak of being wrong about everything doesn't appear like it will be broken any time soon.
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Oct 21, 2014 02:20
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Joementum posted:Let's quickly check in with the Bill Kristol. Good to see people are still angry over a 1991 opera EDIT: Giuliani's statement is quoted in the page and practically begs for a quote shoutout on its own: "Equally, all of us have as strong a First Amendment right to ... warn people that this work is both a distortion of history and helped, in some ways, to foster a three decade long feckless policy of creating a moral equivalency between the Palestinian Authority, a corrupt terrorist organization, and the state of Israel, a democracy ruled by law." ComradeCosmobot fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 02:24
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Joementum posted:Let's quickly check in with the Bill Kristol. How is this man paid money or listened to???
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Oct 21, 2014 03:10
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Raskolnikov38 posted:How is this man paid money or listened to??? I was going to say that he has the smuggest avatar ever but then I realized Bill Kristol has the smuggest face ever.
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Oct 21, 2014 03:12
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Ninjasaurus posted:I was going to say that he has the smuggest avatar ever but then I realized Bill Kristol has the smuggest face ever.  You forced me to do this.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:01
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Raskolnikov38 posted:How is this man paid money or listened to??? The next most valuable person after someone who is always right, is someone who is always wrong.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:16
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Joementum posted:Let's quickly check in with the Bill Kristol. Rudy's too busy fighting with Manuel Noriega about video games to bother running for President.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:16
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Fulchrum posted:You forced me to do this. Don't you understand by now? If you invite him, he comes in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWJDjWTFAcc&t=89s 
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Oct 21, 2014 04:27
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Raskolnikov38 posted:How is this man paid money or listened to??? Ask his father.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:46
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Joementum posted:Let's quickly check in with the Bill Kristol. Yeah. Rudy's going to run in 2016 when he'll be 72, 9/11 will be 15 years old, and his messy personal life will be brought out to the forefront. Beyond just being a moderate North-Eastern Republican, Rudy is also a really unlikable guy who doesn't play well outside of New York and when the words 9/11 aren't nearby. Buy hey, he spoke out against an opera! So Rudy in 2016!
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Oct 21, 2014 04:47
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Joementum posted:Let's quickly check in with the Bill Kristol. Who on earth thinks Rudy Giuliani in 2016 is a serious possiblity when he crashed and burned in 2008 and his big credential is going to be all but irrelevant unless ISIS invades the US (  ).Besides Bill Kristol I mean.
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Oct 21, 2014 04:50
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Does Rudy want to? How awkward do you think he feels right now?
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Oct 21, 2014 04:56
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Good luck getting ANYONE to support him too, with the way he treated donors, other candidates and interested outsiders in 2008 and even 2010/12.
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Oct 21, 2014 07:05
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Cliff Racer posted:Good luck getting ANYONE to support him too, with the way he treated donors, other candidates and interested outsiders in 2008 and even 2010/12. Can you elaborate on this?
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Oct 21, 2014 07:13
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Joementum posted:Well, that didn't last long: https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/524346253086576640 Seems like it was removed. What did it say?
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Oct 21, 2014 08:34
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It's still there.
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Oct 21, 2014 11:01
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richardfun posted:Seems like it was removed. What did it say? "The AP got it wrong. Ohio said NO to the Obamacare exchange for a reason. As always, my position is that we need to repeal and replace." ~ John Kasich #2016
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Oct 21, 2014 11:34
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Joementum posted:"The AP got it wrong. Ohio said NO to the Obamacare exchange for a reason. As always, my position is that we need to repeal and replace." ~ John Kasich #2016 "Literally the opposite of what I said an hour ago" - John Kasich
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Oct 21, 2014 12:45
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Guys! Guys! Elizabeth Warren just said something not-completely-denying running for President, everyone start dancing! /sThe President of D&D's Hearts posted:Asked whether she’s “on board” with a presidential campaign, Warren replies, “I don’t think so.” But then she adds this: ”If there’s any lesson I’ve learned in the last five years, it’s don’t be so sure about what lies ahead. There are amazing doors that could open.”
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Oct 23, 2014 05:20
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Jackson Taus posted:Guys! Guys! Elizabeth Warren just said something not-completely-denying running for President, everyone start dancing! /s If she ran, it would clusterfuck the primary season, which would make it a lot more entertaining as a result.
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Oct 23, 2014 05:25
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Ninjasaurus posted:If she ran, it would clusterfuck the primary season, which would make it a lot more entertaining as a result. I doubt it would have a serious effect. She could get some more leftist arguments into the discourse and get attention, both of which could be good things, but she won't have the mainstream support that Obama used to upset Hillarymentum in '08.
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Oct 23, 2014 05:30
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Chantilly Say posted:I doubt it would have a serious effect. She could get some more leftist arguments into the discourse and get attention, both of which could be good things, but she won't have the mainstream support that Obama used to upset Hillarymentum in '08. Is there a Democrat in America who can disrupt Hillarymentum this time? Other than Hillary Clinton, I mean.
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Oct 23, 2014 05:32
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Chantilly Say posted:I doubt it would have a serious effect. She could get some more leftist arguments into the discourse and get attention, both of which could be good things, but she won't have the mainstream support that Obama used to upset Hillarymentum in '08. Nothing is going to approximate or top the Obama vs. Hillary primary season, that's for sure. I don't think Warren should run because she's fine where she is for now. I've heard she's not the socialist some activists believe her to be so if she ran and won the primary, I'd expect her to end up as another moderate Democrat in the general/White House. Which would still be to the left of Hillary but c'mon.
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Oct 23, 2014 05:34
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I choose to believe this means she has already been tapped for Clinton/Warren '16.
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Oct 23, 2014 05:38
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I choose to believe this means she has already been tapped for Clinton/Warren '16. My fantasy match-up is Clinton/Warren vs. Palin/Bachmann. 
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Oct 23, 2014 05:39
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Ninjasaurus posted:Nothing is going to approximate or top the Obama vs. Hillary primary season, that's for sure. Nobody's the socialist anyone believes they are. Eugene Debs hated Milwaukee Socialists because they engaged in deal-making/horse-trading/whatever to arrange the political support for all those public works projects. poo poo, Debs wasn't the Socialist Haywood wanted him to be.
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Oct 23, 2014 05:56
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Peter Thiel and Glenn Beck on Hillary '16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxtXMlPSQAY To be fair, I wouldn't want to win 2016 either.
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Oct 23, 2014 06:11
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SKELETONS posted:To be fair, I wouldn't want to win 2016 either. It's like what happened in Cyprus overnight! Except it's inflation instead of a one-time tax, and it happened 2,200 times slower!
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Oct 23, 2014 08:10
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Pinterest Mom posted:I'm sure 1966 Democrats were thrilled at the prospect of a 1968 Nixon candidacy, too. Please stop saying things like this, every time I read it my stomach goes funny and my blood pressure spikes. 
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Joementum posted:Let's quickly check in with the Bill Kristol. Someone needs to make a documentary like Super-Size Me, but it'll be someone hanging around with Kristol for a month and recording everything he does. Dude lives in a world none of us understand.
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