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I enjoy the DOTA-esque throw wacky poo poo into the mix and see what evolves around it game design concept infinitely more than having an out-of-touch design team spend all their time trying to "fix the meta," however you could even quantify that in a game like this.
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Above Our Own posted:I enjoy the DOTA-esque throw wacky poo poo into the mix and see what evolves around it game design concept infinitely more than having an out-of-touch design team spend all their time trying to "fix the meta," however you could even quantify that in a game like this. Exactly. Is it reasonable to expect that CCP will ever achieve proper balance? It makes much more sense for them, in that it's more interesting and less work, to keep things hectic, to let metagames emerge, and then to play a game of whack-a-mole with outliers like lmlceptors and ishtars.
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Oct 21, 2014 13:55
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Burlinton posted:Got this email from one of my old Corps. Razor has (had?) an FC named "Light Shot" that was deaf. He had assistants that would help relay information to him. He would then bark out brief orders using his mic that his assistants then reiterated on coms for those that didn't understand. It worked surprisingly well.
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Oct 21, 2014 14:04
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CommonShore posted:Exactly. Is it reasonable to expect that CCP will ever achieve proper balance? It makes much more sense for them, in that it's more interesting and less work, to keep things hectic, to let metagames emerge, and then to play a game of whack-a-mole with outliers like lmlceptors and ishtars. As long as CCP are relatively quick to pick up on the outliers and deal with them accordingly then that is what we should consider balance. With a game as complex as Eve, whack-a-mole is the best way to ensure as level a playing field as possible while still retaining the character of individual ships, modules, races etc. etc.
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Oct 21, 2014 14:09
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Zephyrine posted:Razor has (had?) an FC named "Light Shot" that was deaf. He had assistants that would help relay information to him. He would then bark out brief orders using his mic that his assistants then reiterated on coms for those that didn't understand. There have also been a few CFC line members that were deaf. Generally someone volunteered to do text relay of voice comms in fleet chat for them.
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Oct 21, 2014 14:15
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DisgracelandUSA posted:There have also been a few CFC line members that were deaf. Generally someone volunteered to do text relay of voice comms in fleet chat for them. This. I've been in fleet with deaf people, and there is usually someone relaying the FC orders for them, They usually open a private chat to highlight the FC orders and avoid those being lost in a barrage of porn links. Having someone broadcasting the orders also helps a lot (not only to deaf people, but to any non-native english speaker too).
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Oct 21, 2014 14:33
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Just came back to eve after a long break. Want to move back to 0.0 trying to get in my old corp TGRADs. While I'm waiting I start knocking out L4 missions. Find out about burner missions, so I fit a cruor for it. Got raped and lost it. Tried to bring a friend in to recover my wreck with 40+ million in mods on it. Lesson I learned please tell me if I'm wrong; Burner missions are hard and require very specific ships with very specific fits for each one. The price you'll spend on that ship set wont be recouped for a long time. So unless your carebear only its not worth it. TL;DR: Burner missions not worth it.
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Oct 21, 2014 14:46
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Beanage posted:Burner missions are hard EVE is hard.
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Oct 21, 2014 14:48
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Beanage posted:Just came back to eve after a long break. Want to move back to 0.0 trying to get in my old corp TGRADs. While I'm waiting I start knocking out L4 missions. Find out about burner missions, so I fit a cruor for it. Got raped and lost it. Tried to bring a friend in to recover my wreck with 40+ million in mods on it. They can be done in pretty cheap ships once you've minmaxed your fit. If you've got all the relevant skills and are doing the missions in a 0.5 system, they pay around 30-35m for about 5 minutes' work on average, and can be spammed indefinitely if you have sufficiently high faction standings, giving an hourly income of 350m+. That may or may not be worth your while depending on how space-rich you are.
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Oct 21, 2014 14:52
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LemonDrizzle posted:They can be done in pretty cheap ships once you've minmaxed your fit. If you've got all the relevant skills and are doing the missions in a 0.5 system, they pay around 30-35m for about 5 minutes' work on average, and can be spammed indefinitely if you have sufficiently high faction standings, giving an hourly income of 350m+. That may or may not be worth your while depending on how space-rich you are. How can you spam them indefinitely? I was under the impression that they were rare optional in between missions.
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Oct 21, 2014 14:59
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xilni posted:How can you spam them indefinitely? I was under the impression that they were rare optional in between missions. You reject all other missions until you get the ones you want, possibly utilizing alts if it would be too much of a hit to your standings.
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Oct 21, 2014 15:02
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Zephyrine posted:Razor has (had?) an FC named "Light Shot" that was deaf. He had assistants that would help relay information to him. He would then bark out brief orders using his mic that his assistants then reiterated on coms for those that didn't understand. * *
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Oct 21, 2014 15:02
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Daktari posted:* I don't follow you.
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Oct 21, 2014 15:11
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Zephyrine posted:I don't follow you. *BARK BARK*
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Oct 21, 2014 15:18
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:You reject all other missions until you get the ones you want, possibly utilizing alts if it would be too much of a hit to your standings. So that 350m/hour doesn't factor in the time you need to maintain high standings needed to pull this off?
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Oct 21, 2014 15:19
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xilni posted:So that 350m/hour doesn't factor in the time you need to maintain high standings needed to pull this off? I have no idea, I've never done burner missions so I don't know how much standings they give back on completion. Maintaining standings without spending extra time is the point of having alts, though. You cycle through agents, use your free rejects, etc.
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Oct 21, 2014 15:20
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Huge_Midget posted:*BARK BARK* Ignore my first order. Everyone who followed it are now dead.
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Oct 21, 2014 15:21
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xilni posted:So that 350m/hour doesn't factor in the time you need to maintain high standings needed to pull this off? You don't need to do any work to maintain the standings once you've got them - the faction standing hits for declining L4 missions are tiny, and the periodic standings boosts you get from storyline missions are enough to offset the hits you take due to chain-declining. LemonDrizzle fucked around with this message at 15:24 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 15:21
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Daktari posted:Ignore my first order. Everyone who followed it are now dead.
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Oct 21, 2014 15:23
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How much NPC standings affect module reprocessing efficiency now in empire?
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Oct 21, 2014 15:30
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Collateral Damage posted:"Warp warp warp! If you warped you're dead." *BARK BARK* "Everybody go go go!" *BARK BARK* "Everyone now now now!" *Fleet Warps* "*BARK* Warp! *BARK* Warp! If you took that fleet warp you're a retard also here's my opinion on niggers and women." -dabigredboat
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Oct 21, 2014 16:11
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Does the new dog FC as well as his old dog? I am curious if that dog is as good of an FC.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:43
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"Who decloaked me?" He never cloaked.
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Oct 21, 2014 17:15
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Daler Mehndi posted:EVE is hard. Just crush it with your wallet
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Oct 21, 2014 17:35
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zombie303 posted:"Who decloaked me?" This is my favorite. "I swear to god if you retards aren't sitting by me on-station in NOL I'm going to start calling primaries." Calling that out from the F2OY undock.
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Beanage posted:Just came back to eve after a long break. Want to move back to 0.0 trying to get in my old corp TGRADs. While I'm waiting I start knocking out L4 missions. Find out about burner missions, so I fit a cruor for it. Got raped and lost it. Tried to bring a friend in to recover my wreck with 40+ million in mods on it. You're half correct (because they are, indeed, hard) and half wrong (because they're quite worth it). Trying those unprepared is a pain in the arse, and the Cruor is one of the worst possible ships to use for them. On the upside, a single Worm with a cheap T2/meta4 fit can solo all of them. Also, while they require you to use frigates, they don't require you to run them solo. If you have a buddy online, nothing stops him from warping in after you to provide supplemental DPS, or remote reps, or even a web/scram from an EAS. In fact, nearly every dedicated carebear I know just swaps their link/salvage pilot into a second Worm and dualboxes the fight.
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Oct 21, 2014 18:17
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Being deaf and playing EVE has to be the best thing ever.
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From my 5ZXX Camp days, I know a number of people doing Burner missions who had success bringing a second pilot into the site flying a Griffin using 4 racial ECM jammers, rigged and with lows for ECM strength. If the burners can't target you, they can't kill you 
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vyst posted:Being deaf and playing EVE has to be the best thing ever. I bet being deaf and NOT playing EVE is better.
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ullerrm posted:You're half correct (because they are, indeed, hard) and half wrong (because they're quite worth it).
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Otacon posted:From my 5ZXX Camp days, I know a number of people doing Burner missions who had success bringing a second pilot into the site flying a Griffin using 4 racial ECM jammers, rigged and with lows for ECM strength. If the burners can't target you, they can't kill you Ahh, was under the assumption that they couldnt be cap drained or target jammed.
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Oct 21, 2014 20:14
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Beanage posted:Ahh, was under the assumption that they couldnt be cap drained or target jammed. You have that backwards, I think. ECM is the only E-war (besides just webbing them, of course) that'll work on them. On the new multisell coming, it looks sweet. No longer are we in fear of getting cramps just by selling on item after the other until our hangar is cleaned up! On the other hand, reading the comments looks like some guys played the game for years without knowing how selling and buying actually work.
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Oct 21, 2014 20:23
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Beanage posted:Ahh, was under the assumption that they couldnt be cap drained or target jammed. NPCs have infinite cap and aren't affected by damps (they don't use lock range/scan res for locking), but they can be jammed. I'm not sure whether or not target painters work on them, but I imagine they do. edit: I meant tracking disruptors. Of course target painters work.
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Potential stupid question here... Is there any point in training the racial Strategic Cruiser skill beyond 1? I have all the subsystem skills for Minmatar to 4 but, aside from the 5% module heat reduction, can't see the point in getting the main skill any higher. Am I missing something? Libluini posted:On the new multisell coming, it looks sweet. No longer are we in fear of getting cramps just by selling on item after the other until our hangar is cleaned up! On the other hand, reading the comments looks like some guys played the game for years without knowing how selling and buying actually work. That looks like it'll be awesome. I have so much stuff in 4-4 that I sent down using Padded Helmets that I've never got around to selling and never bothered dealing with in the 10% TiDi that was Burn Jita (shows how long it's been there).
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WhoNeedsAName posted:Potential stupid question here... Let's just say a heat reduction by 25% could come back to save your rear end one day. By the way, I just logged into my industry alt and noticed someone has intercepted one of my courier-contracts. An unexpected windfall of money!  Next time I'm setting my security deposit even higher, just in case this happens again. Thanks to whoever kills freighters in HighSec!
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Libluini posted:Let's just say a heat reduction by 25% could come back to save your rear end one day. Thanks, I did wonder. Sounds like MiniLuv supporting fellow Goons again.
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Libluini posted:Let's just say a heat reduction by 25% could come back to save your rear end one day. Collateral rules. Always overcollateralize the gently caress out of your couriers. One time, I was having moongoo coming from a moon I took from PASTA shipped via public courier to Jita so I could sell it, but the courier got intercepted in Niarja. By PASTA. My collateral was set to like one and a half times what the value was worth, so thanks PASTA for both giving up the moon to me and for making me profit on the moongoo even more than normal 
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Zephyrine posted:Razor has (had?) an FC named "Light Shot" that was deaf. He had assistants that would help relay information to him. He would then bark out brief orders using his mic that his assistants then reiterated on coms for those that didn't understand. Finally the mystery solves itself. He yelled "Avoid Cobalt Edge" in a stereotypical deaf man voice and someone said "Invade Cobalt Edge!" EDIT: mikey posted:This is odd, and seems like kind of a waste of coding/balancing effort when there are still entire ship classes that haven't been properly balanced yet. The whole setting resists to zero (a random resist? specific to each gun type? in a certain order?) is something that only about a half-dozen ships in the entire game, all frigates, can utilize without facing certain death. If speed were a bit more manipulable, especially for larger ships, this might be a viable if very strange idea, but I don't see anything other than frigates ever using these. Marauders cost way too much to risk zeroing out your resists and being alphaed by two Tornados. When T3 BC's were introduced with gently caress all for tank it sparked resurgent sniper doctrines. While they have been shelved as of late, these new modules could breath life back into them. Especially if they increase the range/tracking. Rhymenoserous fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Libluini posted:Let's just say a heat reduction by 25% could come back to save your rear end one day. Typically its a waste to train it past 4 unless your doing silly "elite" pvp stuff.
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The new glass cannon modules are short-range only, so I don't think we need to worry about super-tornado alpha just yet.
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