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MiddleEastBeast posted:Yeah as another poster said, spell piercing a mana leak is obviously a legitimate play in many circumstances. The opposite is obviously never correct (unless someone is about to monstrous a Stormbreath Dragon against you or hitting you with a Sword of War and Peace I guess??).
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Jabor posted:It's about as correct as discarding two artifacts after casting Thirst for Knowledge. The end result being that you've spent the same amount of mana, but have moved one additional card from your hand to your graveyard. Like people said, it's niche, but I can see why it can be correct sometimes. Other situations: -Young Pyromancer, Jeskai Ascendancy, or generally anything that triggers on casting spells -Extra Delve/Goyf/Deathrite stuff -You're going to cast Praetor's Counsel or Time Spiral or something similar -Isochron Scepter Still, it is very often not the right play. Wadjamaloo probably knows more about the specific one in question though.
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Oct 21, 2014 13:35
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Babylon Astronaut posted:a TCG isn't a very good story telling medium. 
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Oct 21, 2014 14:30
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Babylon Astronaut posted:That's all well and good, and I'm sure the story is part of the appeal for a bunch of people, probably the kids more so than the adults which is cool, but the quote is insane. Sure they do. They've got a marketable IP that they wholly own. Sure, their subsidiary happens to run a card game attached to it, and a popular one at that, but that isn't something that Hasbro itself needs to be concerned with, because WotC manages that perfectly fine on their own. No, Hasbro does things like spin off a board game, or haggle with Hollywood to get a movie made, because that's closer to their expertise. I mean, really, besides throwing money at making MTGO better, there isn't a lot they can do to expand or influence the card game itself. So to them, the area they *can* spread further (story and setting) is what they primarily care about, and they'll let the money machine that is the game just keep chugging along. Carrasco posted:This is not a good example for your point, though, since it very deliberately was not shown on the cards. (Elspeth killing Xenagos was, but not Heliod killing Elspeth.) That's true, but more people still know about that than, say, Venser's death. They're clearly getting better at getting that knowledge out there.
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Oct 21, 2014 15:10
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Yawgmoth posted:Tell that to L5R. I haven't played L5R since the days of the corruption of the Lion clan (cause a Lion clan won a huge tourney with some Oni cards) ... and it is still awesome to think of how they play out the storylines. Not just that they let whomever wins dictate the story with the winning clan, but HOW they win. I don't know if MTG should do it, but it's fun when a game does.
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Oct 21, 2014 15:20
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En Fuego posted:I haven't played L5R since the days of the corruption of the Lion clan (cause a Lion clan won a huge tourney with some Oni cards) ... and it is still awesome to think of how they play out the storylines. Not just that they let whomever wins dictate the story with the winning clan, but HOW they win. I do like how the one minor clan (monkey?) started because everyone ran this really cheap peasant, though. I just wish that if they're gonna do that kind of thing, instead of letting tournament winners dictate the story, they would instead just write the drat things themselves and use tournament deck lists/results be a rough guide.
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Oct 21, 2014 15:52
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They changed it around Celestial/Emperor that the winner gets to choose a personality or a clan to discover/win/ etc *story thing* and the deck choice didn't really matter. They say they're changing back to old style but we'll see how that goes. EDIT: The mostly changed to prevent weird story poo poo that became increasingly difficult to actually write stories about
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Oct 21, 2014 15:55
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En Fuego posted:I haven't played L5R since the days of the corruption of the Lion clan (cause a Lion clan won a huge tourney with some Oni cards) ... and it is still awesome to think of how they play out the storylines. Not just that they let whomever wins dictate the story with the winning clan, but HOW they win. It would be really funny/stupid it MtG did this. Jace leading a group of hawks with swords in their beaks?
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Oct 21, 2014 15:57
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Silver2195 posted:It would be really funny/stupid it MtG did this. Jace leading a group of hawks with swords in their beaks? Wow way to forget about a kor artificer.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:02
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Silver2195 posted:It would be really funny/stupid it MtG did this. Jace leading a group of hawks with swords in their beaks?
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Oct 21, 2014 16:03
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Silver2195 posted:It would be really funny/stupid it MtG did this. Jace leading a group of hawks with swords in their beaks? You can't just call good ideas stupid like that.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:11
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Yawgmoth posted:Jeskai going on multiple Sultai treasure cruises to dig up retraction helixes and somehow make friends with Temur mystics. Good thing this wouldn't happen with eternal formats, can you imagine what weird contortions the story would have to undertake to explain a match between Stax and Dredge?
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Oct 21, 2014 16:12
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I'm still sad that there weren't good enough Minotaurs or equipment in Theros block for there to be a "Cow Blade" deck.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:12
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Madmarker posted:Good thing this wouldn't happen with eternal formats, can you imagine what weird contortions the story would have to undertake to explain a match between Stax and Dredge? Stax is literally an allegory on industrial waste, I don't think that's much of a stretch in any narrative. Dredge isn't that weird either except the jellyfish.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:17
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Zoness posted:Stax is literally an allegory on industrial waste, I don't think that's much of a stretch in any narrative. Given the metaphors presented by the library, graveyard, and milling, Dredge is a wizard aggressively forgetting everything he knows, then selectively remembering a few things to cause a zombie horde to emerge from nowhere.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:46
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Zoness posted:Stax is literally an allegory on industrial waste, I don't think that's much of a stretch in any narrative. Its a deck that forgets spells so hard they come alive as jellyfish, that die and turn into Zombies, that then die to make an elemental that makes all the zombies faster and bigger and then crush their opposition. No, no weird story telling there. ......However I'll agree with you on stax.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:46
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They already made a set based on (D&D) play sessions, it's called Legends.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:48
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Dredge you can just paint as the most bizarre necromancer ever.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Given the metaphors presented by the library, graveyard, and milling, Dredge is a wizard aggressively forgetting everything he knows, then selectively remembering a few things to cause a zombie horde to emerge from nowhere. In the same way, Storm is a wizard basically thinking really hard, doing some rituals, and then somehow pelting you with shot or unleashing an arbitrary large number of goblins from... somewhere.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:49
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Dredge is an insane wizard going more and more crazy and nightmares flood out of his brain and drag his opponent to their doom!  Storm is a wizard getting more and more fired up and excited before blasting you apart. It's basically Goku charging up the spirit bomb.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:51
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Snacksmaniac posted:Dredge you can just paint as the most bizarre necromancer ever. I just had an image of some 6 year old just sputtering out all the cool things he can think of "So like, there's a troll but he's a zombie, no wait, theres a jelly fish and then there's a Zombie troll, and then they all die and ZOMBIES."
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Oct 21, 2014 16:52
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CellBlock posted:In the same way, Storm is a wizard basically thinking really hard, doing some rituals, and then somehow pelting you with shot or unleashing an arbitrary large number of goblins from... somewhere. Man don't forget about the plan of demanding that you remain silent, playing out some jewelry, talking to an instructive demonic figure, and then shoving your face full of tentacles.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:53
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What about Breakfast Burrito? A bunch of random stuff appears and implodes, then a shifty dude pops in, who does a thing? I'm stumped.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:57
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Thanks to Innistrad telling us that the sun sets after a turn in which no one casts a spell, and the sun rises after a turn in which a player casts two spells, we can actually measure the in-game time of a Magic game in days.
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Oct 21, 2014 16:58
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Isn't that when a full moon happens? Or do Innistrad werewolves change every night?
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Oct 21, 2014 17:01
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Eggs is literally just a wizard throwing the biggest Easter temper tantrum ever.
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Oct 21, 2014 17:01
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odiv posted:Isn't that when a full moon happens? Or do Innistrad werewolves change every night? Every night.  
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Oct 21, 2014 17:07
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Eggs is a Wizard doing an elaborate cups-and-balls routine and you're so enthralled you don't notice he's poking you in the eye every time until eventually you die.
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Oct 21, 2014 17:08
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Serperoth posted:What about Breakfast Burrito? A bunch of random stuff appears and implodes, then a shifty dude pops in, who does a thing? I'm stumped. A wizard summons a dude out of nowhere, who then hits that wizard in the head and a giant monster falls out of the wizard's ear.
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Pucachat:BXCX posted:If you click the "Send Cards" button on the top right it takes you to the page where available trades are listed... So I kinda noticed this conversation a couple weeks ago, and someone else posted about it the other day, and I signed up for this site and started posting the wishlist for the deck I'm building, and before I even finished entering the cards I already had trades for pretty much all the free points I got during signup executing... Which is fine, but....how is this site NOT a Ponzi scam? Seriously, 100% of the points available for trading were generated either through the new account freebie handout or by paying money to the site operators, so at any point (once the cash inflow slows down), they can cut it all off and walk away with whatever they've pocketed, leaving everyone who's built up a good point balance (either by pumping in cash or by mailing value to someone who has) completely out in the cold with no recourse, as specifically noted in their Terms of Service: quote:4. PucaTrade Points Am I missing something or is this a genuine concern?
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Zoness posted:Stax is literally an allegory on industrial waste, I don't think that's much of a stretch in any narrative. Dredge is an allegory for the danger of misuse of knowledge IMO. That the accumulation of so much powerful knowledge over time that scribbled along the footnotes and appendixes of tomes combined in unethical ways would unleash horrors unimagined. Pretty sure that the only way TO make sense of legacy and vintage decks is allegory and not literal in-game wizardry. Miracles is the best one though: through patience and careful planning, great things come.  or death and taxes: heroes are remembered by their deeds, even the humble nurturing mother.
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St0rmD posted:they can cut it all off and walk away with whatever they've pocketed, leaving everyone ... completely out in the cold with no recourse
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Oct 21, 2014 17:19
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I used a site like Pucatrade before for video games. They seeded you points as a new member and I might have gotten extra from some event. I just took the points and got a couple $15-20 games and left. Don't know how these things keep themselves running when anyone can just do that.
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Oct 21, 2014 17:32
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Chill la Chill posted:I used a site like Pucatrade before for video games. They seeded you points as a new member and I might have gotten extra from some event. I just took the points and got a couple $15-20 games and left. Don't know how these things keep themselves running when anyone can just do that. I imagine they get enough returning members that want to regularly use their service that they can afford costs like that, realistically people 'leeching' for $20 is a minor transaction compared to their business costs that if their model is solid and have enough revenue off frequent users they can easily stay afloat. As it is there's a lot of margin to be made with their model since you're looking at an alternative to buylisting which everyone knows is a massive marginal loss.
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Yawgmoth posted:This is every business. Seriously, every single business that does business online and/or through the mail. Your recourse is to report them to the feds for mail/wire fraud, also just like every other business. Yeah, it's the same as Lowtax pulling the plug on the forum to steal our  forever or scg deciding that they don't feel like mailing out cards people paid for anymore. There's not much for the owners to gain by suddenly shutting it all down and there's a big enough community within pucatrade that somebody would probably take over if the current team decides they don't want to deal with it anymore. It is possible that at some point down the road traders will be left holding the bag if people stop trading magic cards or the site goes under, but magic is in a good place right now and the site keeps adding new features which suggests they're getting enough money to pay people to improve the site. There also isn't the Ponzi/pyramid scheme part where points are constantly being funneled to the people at the top, I've traded with almost everyone on the administrative team and they send and receive the same dumb cards as anyone else. That being said, If you're worried about the whole thing falling apart you can either not do it at all or just keep your point balance low by putting every conceivable card you could ever want on your list and you'll get stuff sent to you immediately after you get credits for the cards you sent. It is pretty sweet to save up for a big card and have one sent out to you, I've got a Judge foil Sword of Light and Shadow on it's way to me as of this morning 
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Chill la Chill posted:I used a site like Pucatrade before for video games. They seeded you points as a new member and I might have gotten extra from some event. I just took the points and got a couple $15-20 games and left. Don't know how these things keep themselves running when anyone can just do that. I lost a bunch of points to a site like that and had forgotten. Thanks!
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Silver2195 posted:It would be really funny/stupid it MtG did this. Jace leading a group of hawks with swords in their beaks? 
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Chill la Chill posted:I used a site like Pucatrade before for video games. They seeded you points as a new member and I might have gotten extra from some event. I just took the points and got a couple $15-20 games and left. Don't know how these things keep themselves running when anyone can just do that. Depending on your circumstances, it might be cheaper and easier to buy points on the site and wait for cards to start arriving, than buying from your local LGS or ordering online. Especially internationally; the list of users I can send cards to is probably 70% Italian.
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Puca Trade is weird to me because there is already a thing which I can exchange for cards I have and use to get other cards I want and its called money. The minor advantages Puca Trade offer don't seem worth it when I remember that at no point could I take my Puca Points and buy a phone or pay for a movie like I've done so many types with my stupid dork cardboard fund. Also lmao if you think the police would give two shits about your missing Puca Points if the operators ever just cut and run.
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The LGS here wants $42 for Stormbreath Dragon and I've tried twice and failed to get people in the selling/trading thread to send cards to Canada (with good reason, shipping across borders can be $$$). If PucaTrade has an established userbase and makes it easier for me to get cards in the frozen wasteland where I reside I might just try it out. Or I guess I could just try eBay or maybe hunt for a Canadian centric site.
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