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ManOfTheYear posted:I haven'y watched this because of the really bad IMDb rating. How come it's rated so bad if it's okay/good?
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Everyone watch Coriolanus. Everyone watch Enemy. e: also, the IMDB rankings are not some objective measurement. 'The Dark Knight' is the fourth best movie of all time according to the IMDB rankings. Slate Action fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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Oct 21, 2014 22:29
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I saw Enemy in a theater with literally nobody else there. I thought it was excellent.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:35
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Chichevache posted:I don't know. Why didn't Van Gough sell more paintings? Coriolanus is good and you should give it a shot, maybe you won't like it but you'll still be the better for watching a few minutes of Shakespeare before turning it off. Just wondering what separates the 7,0-9,0 movies and the 6,0 movies because a lot of time the six ones are somehow just glossed over and instantly forgotten, even though they are fine flicks and really don't have huge, glaring issues that should give them the worse rating. I mentioned Killing them Softly and Puncture earlier in this thread and nobody saw or cared about those even though I don't understand why.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:35
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Jeff Wiiver posted:I have the same question about Enemy (2014). Heard really good things here and there, but its got a 2 star rating on Amazon Prime. I'm going to watch and find out. Enemy's loving great but it's a deliberately very weird, confounding movie. It makes sense that it'd be divisive.
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Oct 21, 2014 22:43
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Enemy is in my top five 2014 which is now crowded as hell, Coriolanus was in my top five 2012.
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Oct 21, 2014 23:03
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Slate Action posted:
On a slightly different note, the IMDB message boards are universally awful.
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Oct 21, 2014 23:23
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Slate Action posted:e: also, the IMDB rankings are not some objective measurement. 'The Dark Knight' is the fourth best movie of all time according to the IMDB rankings. Implying it isn't
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Oct 22, 2014 00:16
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I started watching Coriolanus but english not my native language and jesus gently caress I don't understand anything that is said. I read and hear the lines but for the love of me it might as well be chinese. It's like giving somebody who understand finnish the national epic Kalevala. Good luck with that.
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Oct 22, 2014 00:41
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ManOfTheYear posted:I started watching Coriolanus but english not my native language and jesus gently caress I don't understand anything that is said. I read and hear the lines but for the love of me it might as well be chinese. It's like giving somebody who understand finnish the national epic Kalevala. Good luck with that. Shakespeare is difficult even if you are a native speaker. Put on subtitles and it should help you follow more clo s ely.
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Oct 22, 2014 01:05
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AFAIK English has changed a lot less in the last 4-500 years than most European languages have so stuff like Shakespeare is still fairly intelligible to native speakers but it takes a certain amount of concentration. Similar to listening to someone speak with a very heavy accent. That and most people have at least a passing familiarity with a couple of the plays from being taught about them in school. my kinda ape fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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Oct 22, 2014 01:36
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There's also lots of allusions to now-obscure historical events and stories — a play about an English king would've been received at the time the way we would receive a play about Nixon, for example: with some familiarity assumed. There are in-depth references to things that are no longer a part of modern life, and even the English accent has modified so greatly compared to Shakespearean english ("OP," original pronunciation) that a lot of the rhymes, puns and poetry are lost. So don't feel bad that you don't get it without a lot of backtracking and reading subtitles. Most people off the street would miss a ton, too.
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Oct 22, 2014 02:48
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Shakespeare specifically wrote for a rhythm that made lines easier to memorize. That's not actually how people talked back then.
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Oct 22, 2014 03:23
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I consider myself a competent native English speaker and Shakespeare is dense as hell. You can get used to it though, as mentioned above, just by concentrating. After a while it makes sense on the fly, and it turns out he was a pretty good writer Edit it also makes an asston more sense when you're seeing it performed as opposed to reading it
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Oct 22, 2014 03:53
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I really cannot fathom reading anything like Macbeth or Hamlet without an annotated version that doesn't explain colloquial euphemisms like 'fishmonger'.
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Oct 22, 2014 03:56
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Un-jokingly, I've always found that a little bit of alcohol helps make Shakespeare more intelligible.
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Oct 22, 2014 04:25
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The things that always throw me in Shakespeare are the words that seem familiar but really mean the opposite of what they do now.
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Oct 22, 2014 04:35
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Yeah, Shakespeare is tough. They say it takes languages 1000 years to evolve into something no longer unintelligible, so we're coming up on halfway. Plus, Shakespeare himself is a tricky writer. If you read or watch any plays by his contemporaries, their language is a lot easier to understand. Shakespeare writes a ton of puns and twisty sentences. Subtitles help. I also find that it takes me 10 minutes or so to get into the rhythm, so I often restart movie adaptations after the first 10 minutes. The Ian McKellen movie - I think it's one of the Richards - is really good. It was on Netflix a couple months ago - not sure about now.
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wafflesnsegways posted:The Ian McKellen movie - I think it's one of the Richards - is really good. It was on Netflix a couple months ago - not sure about now. I'd that the one with all the killings? Richard I I I ?
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computer parts posted:Shakespeare specifically wrote for a rhythm that made lines easier to memorize. That's not actually how people talked back then. It's like 95% this. You can go back on rewatches and pick apart the language, but the way it's acted is very intelligible.
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Oct 22, 2014 15:44
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Sometimes, especially if it's a play I'm less familiar with, I like to crack open my Complete Works of Shakespeare and follow along in the text with the movie. This is also neat because it gives you a feel for what things got cut (very few Shakespeare films are full-text).
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Oct 22, 2014 15:47
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What if they made Shakespeare easier to understand by setting the plays in locations we can all relate to
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Oct 22, 2014 16:15
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:Sometimes, especially if it's a play I'm less familiar with, I like to crack open my Complete Works of Shakespeare and follow along in the text with the movie. This is also neat because it gives you a feel for what things got cut (very few Shakespeare films are full-text). Yeah. Coriolanus is a very terse play and maybe one half of it is in the movie.
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Oct 22, 2014 16:19
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gently caress Hamlet, Lion King will do me just fine thank you very much. Shakespeare ain't got nothin' on my boy Elton John. If you can find me a Shakespeare play with James Earl Jones and Jeremy Irons in the same room I'd be into that. I can also skip Romeo and Juliet because hey, Lion King 2  Plus that poo poo's only a little over an hour, nice and to the point.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Yeah. Coriolanus is a very terse play and maybe one half of it is in the movie. I think Macbeth is one of the few that gets the full text treatment sometimes cuz it's so short. I just watched Polanski's Macbeth recently and I think that was something close to full text.
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:I think Macbeth is one of the few that gets the full text treatment sometimes cuz it's so short. I just watched Polanski's Macbeth recently and I think that was something close to full text. And it's fuckin' superb.
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Oct 22, 2014 16:24
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What are some other good Shakespere adaptations on Netflix, anyway?
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:gently caress Hamlet, Lion King will do me just fine thank you very much. Shakespeare ain't got nothin' on my boy Elton John. If you can find me a Shakespeare play with James Earl Jones and Jeremy Irons in the same room I'd be into that. Both of those are basically Coen Brothers' films. Hamlet especially is basically Walter from The Big Lebowski.
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I was really hoping Titus was on Netflix Instant, but it isn't.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:What are some other good Shakespere adaptations on Netflix, anyway? Some people like Romeo + Juliet but I think it's kind of cheesy. She's the Man is awesome but isn't available for streaming.
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I changed my mind, I want this Hamlet instead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCVc5TaPpe8 SolidSnakesBandana fucked around with this message at 16:34 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I was really hoping Titus was on Netflix, but it isn't. It was on when Streaming first started from what I remember and hasn't been back unfortunately.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:What are some other good Shakespere adaptations on Netflix, anyway? I think Prime is probably better for this. I know they have Ian MacKellan's King Lear and Patrick Stewart's Macbeth, as well as a bunch of "Shakespeare series" videos that came out in the early '80s (I can't speak to their quality). They also had Kenneth Branagh's Hamlet a while back, so that might come back on at some point. Netflix has the 2000 modernized Hamlet I referenced above which, after careful consideration, I've decided I don't like, no matter how much I want to enjoy a Shakespearean production with Kyle MacLachlan in it.
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I have a favorite Macbeth, a favorite Romeo + Juliet, etc. What's the best Hamlet?
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I think Branagh's version is considered pretty definitive, if only for being the only unabridged film version of Hamlet (it's over 4 hours long). But it's also just a really well done production besides.
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Erebus posted:as well as a bunch of "Shakespeare series" videos that came out in the early '80s (I can't speak to their quality). if these are the BBC ones, what I've seen is quite good. I actually prefer their more straightforward version of Titus Andronicus to the Julie Taymor version.
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Erebus posted:I think Branagh's version is considered pretty definitive, if only for being the only unabridged film version of Hamlet (it's over 4 hours long). But it's also just a really well done production besides. Ken Dodd as Yorick was a stroke of genius. e: I forgot about BRIAN loving BLESSED as Hamlet Sr!
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Erebus posted:I think Branagh's version is considered pretty definitive, if only for being the only unabridged film version of Hamlet (it's over 4 hours long). But it's also just a really well done production besides. All of Branagh's features give me gas, but I have more fun when he is bleach blonde like he seems to love so much.
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Erebus posted:I think Branagh's version is considered pretty definitive, if only for being the only unabridged film version of Hamlet (it's over 4 hours long). But it's also just a really well done production besides. Some of the big name actors he put in roles were pretty painful, but the film is so incredibly lush (I saw it in theaters with the 70mm print) and so beautifully shot that I still love it.
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If you're having trouble following Shakespeare I'd absolutely recommend reading along or even just reading the plays on their own- yeah, it's meant to be performed, but annotation helps explain the turns of phrase and you can get used to the structure. Sometimes just having a summary helps- when I saw Winter's Tale at Shakespeare in the Park the notes in the program basically talk about the entire structure and the whole plot arc.
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