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Jack Trades posted:Turn everything to max, become one of those people with Rank C computers that turn every match into a power point presentation. the dark hadou !
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Mio Bison posted:There's a video of Daigo Ryu vs. Nishikin from the early days of Ultra and when Daigo is holding down-back and inching forward every five seconds hoping Nishikin will throw the round away you can almost see the wheels in his head spinning like "why the gently caress am I playing this character". Yeah just a "Hot Tip" for anyone out there, whenever Daigo is not maining Ryu, it's a good enough sign to stay away from him for a patch or two.
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Oct 21, 2014 23:30
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Is there a guide or a breakdown of where characters fall in USF4? By this I mean which are zoners, agressors, defensive, etc... Trying to figure out what fits my style best and look at characters in that area. Currently I'm playing two high execution required characters. As a novice this is pretty brutal. I'm still trying to get the basics of plinking understood.
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Oct 22, 2014 10:08
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Al Borland posted:Is there a guide or a breakdown of where characters fall in USF4? The usf4 strategy guide lists the archetypes and the theoretical matchups. Pick a main and then someone easy to play that covers your main's worst matchups. 
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Oct 22, 2014 10:28
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Fauxtool posted:The usf4 strategy guide lists the archetypes and the theoretical matchups. Pick a main and then someone easy to play that covers your main's worst matchups. There isn't an online version of this is there? E: According to the guide I should main Juri and play vega as my second  Works for me. Al Borland fucked around with this message at 10:44 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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Oct 22, 2014 10:42
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Al Borland posted:According to the guide I should main Juri and play vega as my second If you're gonna play Vega I'm just gonna tell you at once. Don't ever use non-EX Sky High Claw or Flying Barcelona Attack. Spamming those and hoping that you can confuse your opponent enough to win is a scrubs way of playing Vega and it will never work against smarter players. Do yourself a favor and learn neutral game instead.
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Oct 22, 2014 11:26
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So turtles are effective against vortex-based fighters, while vortex-based fighters are effective against turtles. Seems legit.
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Veib posted:So turtles are effective against vortex-based fighters, while vortex-based fighters are effective against turtles. Seems legit. Maybe someone more experience can correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I know that's kind of true. What they mean is that turtlers usually have tools to keep vortex characters from landing a knockdown on them and starting their vortex but once they do the turtlers have a hard time stopping it since they usually don't have good reversals.
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Oct 22, 2014 11:29
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Al Borland posted:There isn't an online version of this is there? Juri is actually one of the best zoner right now and the only reason she's in the dive kick list is because she has a dive kick. Also, I wouldn't suggest Juri for a begginer and I'm saying that as someone who picked her as the first character to learn the game with. Arzachel fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Oct 22, 2014 |
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Oct 22, 2014 11:47
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Why did they even put that in the guide. That's seriously the most useless and uninformative poo poo possible.
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Oct 22, 2014 11:59
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If Dhalsim is a dive-kicker then why isnt he effective against Viper?
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Oct 22, 2014 12:20
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Makoto axe kick counts as a divekick according to the guide I guess? And Rose not listed as a footsies character 
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Oct 22, 2014 12:32
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Makoto is not a dive-kicker. If anything, they should have said rushdown \ mixups or something. And while Fuerte is a wrestler he really doesn't play anything like the other grapplers at all and I wouldn't include him in that group.
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Oct 22, 2014 13:34
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Fuerte is a vortex character. How the hell is he listed as a grappler? 
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Oct 22, 2014 14:26
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because he uses throws, duh.
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Oct 22, 2014 14:35
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Yun is my fav grappler in SF4
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Oct 22, 2014 14:51
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being good at the game is effective against everyone worse than you
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Oct 22, 2014 15:00
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Yes, luchadores are grapplers in real life but Fuerte doesn't even have a proper command grab. Street Fighter characters are not exactly good representations of real martial arts
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Oct 22, 2014 15:08
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Fuerte does flying flippy poo poo that's fast paced and dizzying to follow. He fits the high-flying luchador archetype pretty well. But yes, not exactly a "real" martial art representation. 
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Oct 22, 2014 15:31
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Makoto axe kick is functionally a dive kick but I wouldn't agree with calling her a dive kicker or the term "dive kicker" in general
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Oct 22, 2014 15:44
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Wouldn't renaming "dive-kicker" to "rushdown" or something similar be more accurate?
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Trykt posted:Makoto axe kick is functionally a dive kick but I wouldn't agree with calling her a dive kicker or the term "dive kicker" in general It takes a little bit of effort to make it safe now too Captain Flame Guy posted:Wouldn't renaming "dive-kicker" to "rushdown" or something similar be more accurate? Not all good rushdown characters divekick, divekicking characters tend to just be relentless hounds.
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Oct 22, 2014 15:56
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I think his point is that the category of dive-kicker shouldn't even exist, because they're just rushdown characters (and Juri doesn't belong here period). Likewise the grappler category might as well be merged with vortex.
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a!n posted:I think his point is that the category of dive-kicker shouldn't even exist, because they're just rushdown characters (and Juri doesn't belong here period). Likewise the grappler category might as well be merged with vortex. Grapplers are a really well-defined archetype, the weirder category is "vortex characters", which tells you nothing about how they play at neutral. I mean, Akuma and C. Viper and Gen don't really play anything alike.
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Oct 22, 2014 18:45
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I can't even count how many times I've gotten messages from people trying to tell me Juri is a rushdown character and that I'm totes playing her wrong. I have no idea why people think this, and why there are so many of them. She's more like "aggressive zoning" if anything.
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Puzzle Thing posted:I can't even count how many times I've gotten messages from people trying to tell me Juri is a rushdown character and that I'm totes playing her wrong. I have no idea why people think this, and why there are so many of them. She's more like "aggressive zoning" if anything. Feng Shui Engine They're still dumb though because her zoning is way better than her rushdown.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Feng Shui Engine She's supposed to capitalize on knockdowns, but you get those knockdowns by playing lame and baiting your opponent into making a mistake. At least that's how I've always looked at it. Poison's probably gonna evolve into that too, a character with good pressure options but one that gets her opportunities thru zoning.
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Oct 22, 2014 21:55
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Uh it's pretty obvious that Juri is a rushdown character, you gotta jump back a lot and then when your opponent walks forward BAM you do the dive kick and rush down to hit them.
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Oct 22, 2014 23:13
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If they block it just mash out two ex pinwheels. The second one is for mindgames
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Also don't charge your FB's that is just a glitch that Capcom refuses to correct out of pure hubris.
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Periodiko posted:Uh it's pretty obvious that Juri is a rushdown character, you gotta jump back a lot and then when your opponent walks forward BAM you do the dive kick and rush down to hit them.
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Oct 22, 2014 23:43
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Periodiko posted:Uh it's pretty obvious that Juri is a rushdown character, you gotta jump back a lot and then when your opponent walks forward BAM you do the dive kick and rush down to hit them. USF4 Changelog posted:Juri: character ruined gg crapcom
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Oct 22, 2014 23:57
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As T. Hawk, what should I be doing on a successful body splash? I usually just end up doing splash > cr.lp xx DP but it feels far from optimal and sometimes I go on autopilot when the splash gets blocked and end up leaving myself open for an easy punish.
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I often follow it with cl.mk or cr.mk tick throw it works great since they are -2 to +2 on block or hit so the tick throw usually works Better players use cl.mp confirmed into a dp I also like using cl.hk because it gives a hard knockdown and plenty of dmg and stun. It's 0 on block so it also works well for setting up a 50/50. It does whiff on several crouchers so pay attention.
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You can get off multiple cl.mps now before a DP (character and corner dependant) or cl.mp, If you feel like stylin you can do cl.mp, cl.mp XX lk condor spire, lp, cr.mk xx lk condor spire. The second condor spire may whiff, I've never actually done it cause the link after the first condor spire is hard as poo poo. And it may not even work off of a jumpin splash? I would test it but I am merging from hitbox to an actual stick and I am completely garbage. Also the (I think systran) method of just doing a bunch of crouching/noncrouching lps linked into mp is pretty good too if you aren't confident in your ability to hit confirm. Foodahn fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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Yeah I used to do a lot of cr. lp link to st. mp, but now it's better to do a few cr. lp into cr. mk. Obviously if you can actually hit confirm with cl. mp xx DP that is way better.
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Oct 23, 2014 02:34
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Are there any decent setups for Akuma's U2? I'm having trouble finding anywhere I can use it other than mid-teleport which limits the effectiveness... During a match last night I thought I'd been able to cancel his forward+MP overhead into it, but I have been unable to reproduce that now in training mode.
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Oct 23, 2014 07:32
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dont infiltration and tokido (with a hardwired up button) use it as a punish by linking from fierce?
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Oct 23, 2014 07:36
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Basically it's stand fierce cancelled into teleport which is then canceled into the ultra all in one ridiculous motion. Any up motion counts (ub, u, uf) so that helps when you're hammering it out. It's hard as balls though.
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The combo is close HP xx Teleport xx Ultra 2 which can be done with a normal stick but is significantly easier with the up button. Other than that, U2 is to catch people trying to punish a teleport or to punish certain moves like Rufus' EX Messiah Kick (though Rufus can do an as-late-as-possible LK ender to beat Akuma U2).
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