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Vedius Pollio posted:Personally I've always read Berserk as centrally a gnostic tale about the characters living in a world that is inherently evil and exploitative on not only a societal, but on a natural, cosmological, and existential level. To me that was always the most interesting theme in the story, which is why I absolutely loved the Black Swordsman material, but I've been a little sour about seeing that shelved since Miura started whipping together his system of nature magic.
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Unacknowledged posted:Guts has REALLY seen some stuff and definitely has some clear mental damage as a result, but has he lost the ability to communicate? Prior to forming his DnD party? Pretty much, yeah. IronicDongz posted:Oh god this. I almost stopped reading once I got to the elemental magic stuff, it just feels so... video game-y. My favorite part will always be the part which just revolves around a lone dude struggling through this bleak, grimy shithole of a world where the supernatural is a decidedly anti-human force. I don't care about little girl magician and/or the other members of an RPG party learning to use their cool elemental weapons or whatever the gently caress You're boring.
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Oct 23, 2014 02:26
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IronicDongz posted:Oh god this. I almost stopped reading once I got to the elemental magic stuff, it just feels so... video game-y. My favorite part will always be the part which just revolves around a lone dude struggling through this bleak, grimy shithole of a world where the supernatural is a decidedly anti-human force. I don't care about little girl magician and/or the other members of an RPG party learning to use their cool elemental weapons or whatever the gently caress Yeah it's really bad now but that's the kind of manga that people really like to read and sells well in magazines so
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Oct 23, 2014 02:27
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IronicDongz posted:Oh god this. I almost stopped reading once I got to the elemental magic stuff, it just feels so... video game-y. My favorite part will always be the part which just revolves around a lone dude struggling through this bleak, grimy shithole of a world where the supernatural is a decidedly anti-human force. I don't care about little girl magician and/or the other members of an RPG party learning to use their cool elemental weapons or whatever the gently caress How dare you not like Serpico! Arrumph!
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Oct 23, 2014 02:28
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Casca regressing into a childlike state could have been written better (along with Guts' reaction to it and the necessity of taking care of a former equal who's now an invalid) but the only thing about it that really annoys me is the Skull Knight going "oh well maybe this is for the best." Then again if the outcome of Ganishka's death throes are anything to go by the Skull Knight is kind of a dumbass anyways. 
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Oct 23, 2014 02:33
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It's really sick how it's been over 300 chapters and they still haven't explained what is going on with the Skull Knight and how he can eat a million Behelits
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Oct 23, 2014 02:35
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Why could a dude called Skull Knight not eat a bunch of hard boiled eggs
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Oct 23, 2014 02:39
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I think Caska's mind state goes back to her saying that if the Hawks were to disband, she would disappear. Guts treated Caska the way Griffith treated him. I see Caska as a junior Guts and Guts and Griffith are basically the same. They are all reflections of each other, just in different presentations.Big Anime Fan Here posted:It's really sick how it's been over 300 chapters and they still haven't explained what is going on with the Skull Knight and how he can eat a million Behelits
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Oct 23, 2014 02:42
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What's there to know, really? He is in some way related to a historical character in the story, is the former bearer of the berserker's armor, and seemingly on a first-name basis with the God Hand. All he's actually done is demonstrated the power of ~causality~ by loving up in the most spectacular way possible (High Fantasy-nuking the world), and I think that will remain his biggest contribution to the story (aside from whisking Guts and Casca away from the eclipse which was allowed by the malevolent forces of the universe because reasons). That said, Skull Knight owns. Re: said high fantasy, I really enjoy how Miura completely owns his pulpy '70s fantasy influences
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Oct 23, 2014 02:48
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Say Nothing posted:I'm still wondering whether Griffith is going to sacrifice everyone in his magic city to become Uber-God. Well Griffith's goal from the beginning was to be a king, and now he's finally got it. Sacrificing Falconia & everybody in it would be sacrificing his dream, that has to count for something.
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Oct 23, 2014 03:11
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The skull knight has powers that he probably didn't get from demons and no one knows if he has a corporeal form. He is my hero.
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Oct 23, 2014 03:51
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After re-reading this series over a couple of days on a whim, the most unsettling thing is how Varnese goes from insane chick masturbating while burning people alive during the Tower arc (Best Arc), to being the bumbling nursemaid for Casca. It seemed like a natural transition when the content was spread out over years, but it actually occurs pretty quickly in terms of chapters.
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Oct 23, 2014 06:55
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Unacknowledged posted:Guts has REALLY seen some stuff and definitely has some clear mental damage as a result, but has he lost the ability to communicate? It's really, really stupid. "Some" mental damage? Dude spent a fair while almost physically incapable of doing anything but getting really angry and killing poo poo as a result of the Eclipse. He didn't get hosed up quite as bad as Casca but it took another major shock to bring him back to anything approaching "functional" and he still hasn't fully bounced back.
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Oct 23, 2014 10:58
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MonsieurChoc posted:How dare you not like Serpico! Arrumph! He was way cooler when he was just a bad rear end fencer who was smart about picking his fights rather than "guy who can kinda fly and has a weirdo wind sword thing"
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Oct 23, 2014 14:34
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Zasze posted:He was way cooler when he was just a bad rear end fencer who was smart about picking his fights rather than "guy who can kinda fly and has a weirdo wind sword thing" Giving Serpico a magic sword is what would happen if you gave Alexander the Great a fleet of tanks and knowledge how to use them. Namely, the same thing that happens when you shoot fish in a barrel. Gleeful, one-sided battle.
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:After re-reading this series over a couple of days on a whim, the most unsettling thing is how Varnese goes from insane chick masturbating while burning people alive during the Tower arc (Best Arc), to being the bumbling nursemaid for Casca. It seemed like a natural transition when the content was spread out over years, but it actually occurs pretty quickly in terms of chapters. Ummm yeah every adult woman in the series is completely infantilized and the women with real power are sexy little children
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Oct 23, 2014 18:10
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Big Anime Fan Here posted:The skull knight has powers that he probably didn't get from demons and no one knows if he has a corporeal form. He is my hero.
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Oct 23, 2014 18:18
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I disagree and I'm really excited for when he illustrates the Skull Knight back story for 3 years instead of continuing the plotline because it's going to be sick
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Oct 23, 2014 19:09
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IronicDongz posted:I may have just been bitching about the direction the series took(and could a lot more really), but I have nothing bad to say about Skull Knight. I am totally fine with some dude with bitchin skull armor coming in and being hard as gently caress for no explained reason, the actual only thing I wish is that he wasn't on a horse all the time because I don't like the 'look' of characters fighting from horseback as much I guess It's not armor, that's his body. It's implied that he was the previous user of the Berserker armor and that it warped his body.
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Oct 23, 2014 19:20
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Wrote something but deleted it because honestly I'm more interested in where the series is going than where it has been. On the issue of not being able to get past the rape, this story is definitely not for everyone, panel 1 of Guts banging a demon and blowing its head off should be a good indication of that.
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Oct 23, 2014 21:42
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This is the only manga i've ever read that I actually liked It's so good. I read the whole thing in one big long stretch some year ago and by then it was up to where that monster sultan guy transforms into some huge fuckoff giant or whatever. Then I paused. I have no idea what happened to the sultan and griffith yet I'm thinking of reading it again, are there plenty of new chapters since that story or should I wait another few years?
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Oct 23, 2014 22:04
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Bloodyshinta1 posted:Wrote something but deleted it because honestly I'm more interested in where the series is going than where it has been. On the issue of not being able to get past the rape, this story is definitely not for everyone, panel 1 of Guts banging a demon and blowing its head off should be a good indication of that. Everyone here meaning the same as it does for GoT: pussies.
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Oct 23, 2014 22:06
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Bloodyshinta1 posted:Wrote something but deleted it because honestly I'm more interested in where the series is going than where it has been. On the issue of not being able to get past the rape, this story is definitely not for everyone, panel 1 of Guts banging a demon and blowing its head off should be a good indication of that. The story has clearly evolved over time though. Pre-flashback is pretty different from the rest for example.
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Oct 23, 2014 22:14
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Genocyber posted:Everyone here meaning the same as it does for GoT: pussies. I enjoy both those series and can still confidently say that's a really dumb assessment.
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Oct 23, 2014 22:17
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Zzulu posted:This is the only manga i've ever read that I actually liked You can always re-read Berserk: pretty much everyone in this thread did several times while waiting for new chapters. I say go for it.
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Unacknowledged posted:I understand it's a pretty traumatic experience, but we've seen several other characters deal with extreme situations like the eclipse (though without the prolonged rape scene) and they all seem to cope pretty well. Guts has REALLY seen some stuff and definitely has some clear mental damage as a result, but has he lost the ability to communicate? It's really, really stupid. You really can't compare Guts to anyone else in series, or vice versa. The best comparison to Guts is probably Robert E. Howard's Conan the Barbarian. Conan was born on a battlefield and that is repeatedly shown to be an indicator of his fate. He is from a culture of warriors from the barren north which worships a god that does nothing but grant them strength at birth and judge them at death. Conan himself is based on the historical figure Erik the Red, aka Erik Bloodaxe, who killed an older boy with an axe before he broke double digits. His name didn't even have anything to do with that incident. Anyway as Conan was born on a battlefield and everyone around knew that to be an omen he was fated to a life of war, which was pretty accurate. Kentarou Miura was obviously at least a little influenced by Howard. By Guts' birth, he was not only born on a battlefield but also from a corpse. I think him being picked up by a mercenary and his adopted mother dieing early is just recreating the kind of environment Conan grew up in and trying to make it worse any little way it can to forge a better badass. The peculiar nature of his birth is just a sign of what was to come, and who he is. Guts is a monster, but how could a man born of death and battle, raised in death and battle, who has really known very little outside of death and battle be anything but a monster? Further comparisons? Both are massive masters of massive swords, both tend to gather small bands around them they don't really want, and both of them initially quested after the supernatural madmen that ruined their lives, and killed entire populations worth of things and people along the way.
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temple posted:I think Guts lived because he and Caska were either outside of fate thus could be saved or they didn't belong in the Eclipse so they were able to escape. Guts was too independent and had already left. Caska was protected by the others so she carry on or maybe go with Guts. I think everything worked out as it was meant, by whatever force in the setting.
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Zzulu posted:This is the only manga i've ever read that I actually liked the monster inside me grew ｔｈｉｓ ｂｉｇ and maybe u should wait until 年２０１６
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Oct 24, 2014 02:33
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IronicDongz posted:Oh god this. I almost stopped reading once I got to the elemental magic stuff, it just feels so... video game-y. My favorite part will always be the part which just revolves around a lone dude struggling through this bleak, grimy shithole of a world where the supernatural is a decidedly anti-human force. I don't care about little girl magician and/or the other members of an RPG party learning to use their cool elemental weapons or whatever the gently caress I agree, but honestly, there hasn't been all that much of that, really. I mean, have we even followed them for a couple of years?
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Darko posted:I agree, but honestly, there hasn't been all that much of that, really. I mean, have we even followed them for a couple of years? ｉ ｗｏｎｔ ｂｅ ｈａｐｐｙ ｕｎｔｉｌ Ｍｉｕｒａ ｉｓ ｐｅｎｓｉｏｎｅｄ ａｎｄ ｄｒａｗｉｎｇ ｐｅｎｓｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｗｈａｔ ｈｅ ｗａｎｔｓ， ｎｏｔ ａｐｐｅａｌｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｍｅｒｃａｎｔｉｌｅ ｇｒａｔｉｆｉｃａｔｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｐａｎｄｅｒｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｌｂｒａｎｄ， ｐｕｂｌｉｓｈｅｒ． ａｎｄ ｌａｂｅｌ．
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Metal Pink Babble posted:ｉ ｗｏｎｔ ｂｅ ｈａｐｐｙ ｕｎｔｉｌ Ｍｉｕｒａ ｉｓ ｐｅｎｓｉｏｎｅｄ ａｎｄ ｄｒａｗｉｎｇ ｐｅｎｓｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｗｈａｔ ｈｅ ｗａｎｔｓ， ｎｏｔ ａｐｐｅａｌｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｍｅｒｃａｎｔｉｌｅ ｇｒａｔｉｆｉｃａｔｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｐａｎｄｅｒｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｌｂｒａｎｄ， ｐｕｂｌｉｓｈｅｒ． ａｎｄ ｌａｂｅｌ． same
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Metal Pink Babble posted:ｉ ｗｏｎｔ ｂｅ ｈａｐｐｙ ｕｎｔｉｌ Ｍｉｕｒａ ｉｓ ｐｅｎｓｉｏｎｅｄ ａｎｄ ｄｒａｗｉｎｇ ｐｅｎｓｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｗｈａｔ ｈｅ ｗａｎｔｓ， ｎｏｔ ａｐｐｅａｌｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｍｅｒｃａｎｔｉｌｅ ｇｒａｔｉｆｉｃａｔｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｐａｎｄｅｒｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｌｂｒａｎｄ， ｐｕｂｌｉｓｈｅｒ． ａｎｄ ｌａｂｅｌ． Do you have to type obnoxiously or are you doing it for fun?
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:After re-reading this series over a couple of days on a whim, the most unsettling thing is how Varnese goes from insane chick masturbating while burning people alive during the Tower arc (Best Arc), to being the bumbling nursemaid for Casca. It seemed like a natural transition when the content was spread out over years, but it actually occurs pretty quickly in terms of chapters. My theory on this was that she was actually always a kind of bumbling person. She is the leader of the Knights of the Holy Iron Chain merely because of her father and because its an army that rarely sees heavy combat. She gets a lot of things fixed for her because of her family name or because Serpico is always around her to fix the issue. Honestly she would probably be dead if not for Serpico since at the end of the Hidden Valley arc Guts comes within about 2 feet of implaing his sword into her but Serpico stabs him. When she gives up all of her titles and family ties to go chase after Guts after the Tower it really shows that shes not actually all that cut out for life without her connections. However she has grown quite a lot since then into one of the only people that Casca trusts.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I enjoy both those series and can still confidently say that's a really dumb assessment. It's similar to GoT because it's dumb, set in medieval fantasy times,never going to end, and gets progressively worse the more magic they put in it
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Metal Pink Babble posted:ｉ ｗｏｎｔ ｂｅ ｈａｐｐｙ ｕｎｔｉｌ Ｍｉｕｒａ ｉｓ ｐｅｎｓｉｏｎｅｄ ａｎｄ ｄｒａｗｉｎｇ ｐｅｎｓｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｗｈａｔ ｈｅ ｗａｎｔｓ， ｎｏｔ ａｐｐｅａｌｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｍｅｒｃａｎｔｉｌｅ ｇｒａｔｉｆｉｃａｔｉｏｎ ａｎｄ ｐａｎｄｅｒｉｎｇ ｔｏ ｌｂｒａｎｄ， ｐｕｂｌｉｓｈｅｒ． ａｎｄ ｌａｂｅｌ． what he wants to draw is Idolm@ster doujins I'm pretty sure he hates his own series now
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I've heard that he likes Idolm@ster, hates his own series, is at death's door, loves griffith, is pressured into corrupting the tone of a 26 year old series, and all sorts of other hosed up poo poo. How about you guys?
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Oct 24, 2014 16:17
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A Gnarlacious Bro posted:I've heard that he likes Idolm@ster, hates his own series, is at death's door, loves griffith, is pressured into corrupting the tone of a 26 year old series, and all sorts of other hosed up poo poo. How about you guys? Only one of those things is true and I wish more were
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Oct 24, 2014 16:38
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Well, Skullknight.net might be able to shed more light on Miura once they get some interviews translated. They have a patreon campaign going on where the more they get, the more interviews/other works are translated. http://www.patreon.com/sknet
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Oct 24, 2014 21:26
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I was feeling pretty good tonight, so I decided to read some more Berserk. Did Guts just get loving raped?
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Butt Ghost posted:I was feeling pretty good tonight, so I decided to read some more Berserk. Welcome to Berserk!
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