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robotsinmyhead posted:The trope is that black people smoke menthols. Newports being a recognizable brand (see also: Kools) That's stupid. Black people do smoke menthols at a much, much higher rate. Studies put it at 70%-90% black smokers smoke menthol cigarettes, and there are reasons menthol cigarettes are worse for you. Would you whitewash the higher rates of heart disease in the black community? No, you'd find the reason for the disparity and try to fix it. It's not a baseless stereotype, and it is a public health issue. It offends me that menthol cigarettes are marketed fiercely towards black consumers, to the point that a pack of Newports costs over $2.00 less in the intercity because they can move them faster. Pretending that tobacco companies do not intentionally target the black community with cigarettes that are more poisonous and harder to quit is not something we should ignore because it offends white people. Babylon Astronaut fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Pretending that tobacco companies do not intentionally target the black community with cigarettes that are more poisonous and harder to quit is not something we should ignore because it offends white people. I don't disagree with this. Put yourself in the place of someone who doesn't know that the problem is as bad as it is, and you might see why someone wouldn't want to put a spotlight on the stereotype.
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So Bill Maher is going on about the recent shooting in Canada Bill Maher posted:
It ends with a picture of that dead Canadian solider and rest in peace. KomradeX fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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quote:...you should not vote. There's no shame in it, your vote is statistically unlikely to affect the outcome of an election Amazing. "Don't worry about voting, your vote doesn't matter anyway, but it's very very important to us that you don't do it!" KomradeX posted:So Bill Maher is going on about the resent shooting in Canada Oh great here comes the D&D leftist circlejerk of Maher-hate  . None of you sancitmonious assholes are even going to stop for a second to consider that it can't be racism if all Muslims really are baby-eating savages.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:You've never heard of an Uncle Tom before have you? It had been about a month since D&D decided to be use slurs I guess!
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Oct 23, 2014 15:27
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Fair enough, stereotypes are usually bullshit, but let it be known this one is real. It isn't an intrinsic quality of people with melanin real or imagined, it is a manufactured trend that is actively harmful so I find it cowardly that they edited the PSA to protect the tobacco lobby.
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Oct 23, 2014 15:29
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KomradeX posted:So Bill Maher is going on about the recent shooting in Canada Darren Wilson is Christian. So are Michael Dunn and George Zimmerman. Hmmmm. #justsaying
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Oct 23, 2014 16:10
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Beamed posted:It had been about a month since D&D decided to be use slurs I guess! It's not a term used exclusively for blacks dumbass.
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Oct 23, 2014 16:19
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Double down on the alienation and distrust, that will definitely make radicalization and violence less likely!
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Babylon Astronaut posted:stereotypes are usually bullshit, but let it be known this one is real. What makes stereotypes bullshit isn't that they don't line up statistically - they sometimes do - it's that people use them as a shorthand for an entire group, prejudging each individual according to the stereotype.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Fair enough, stereotypes are usually bullshit, but let it be known this one is real. It isn't an intrinsic quality of people with melanin real or imagined, it is a manufactured trend that is actively harmful so I find it cowardly that they edited the PSA to protect the tobacco lobby. He's right^^^. Newports and Kools are consumed much, much more by blacks than whites. I don't know why but Babylon Astronaut's not wrong.
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BiggerBoat posted:He's right^^^. Newports and Kools are consumed much, much more by blacks than whites. I don't know why but Babylon Astronaut's not wrong. Are they less expensive? Because If a lot of middle class families like them, though, it's probably just confirmation bias.
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Beamed posted:It had been about a month since D&D decided to be use slurs I guess! But Aaron McGruder is black, and created a show with a grotesquely caricatured Uncle Tom? Are we just supposed to pretend that never happened and act like him and his show are invisible?
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Chokes McGee posted:Are they less expensive? Because Newports are one of the most expensive main brands.
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VitalSigns posted:Oh great here comes the D&D leftist circlejerk of Maher-hate Bill Maher proves once more that, out of the many professional trolls in the media spotlight, he's among the most effective. That being said, I hope we go 100 pages without talking about him again. Maher's not a right wing pundit anyway. Ninjasaurus fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Oct 23, 2014 |
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http://allaboutbeer.com/article/a-story-without-heroes-the-cautionary-tale-of-malt-liquor/ While not menthols, this is the story of how malt liquor became associated with the black community. Fascinating read and that that, presumably, has repeated itself in with other products as well.
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Chokes McGee posted:Are they less expensive? Because They are not cheaper then other cigs and are very popular with black people.
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I'm white and I smoked Newports. So did a Vietnamese girl I dated years back. I also smoked Parliaments.
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Kool cigarettes started the trend. They came into vogue with African Americans when 'cool' was associated with jazz culture. While the Marlboro man was a white-male-power fantasy, black men weren't exactly pining for the old days in the 1970's. The tobacco industry commissioned all kinds of studies trying to pin down black masculinity, and over time they honed their marketing. They now will argue that they are merely supplying what the market wants, but they created it whole cloth. Black men want to be smooth  Black men still want to be tough  Subvert what is conventionally cool  But who is really the coolest, hipsters or jocks?  Jazz  Jazz gives way to hip-hop  Associating menthol with blackness is one of the most pervasive advertizing campaigns of all time. Another weird one is that long skinny cigarettes are for women, and short cigarettes are "catered to the African American lung." Yes, they said that.
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This is the least interesting derail.
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Sorry. I'll make sure to ignore the black experience in the future. Again, sorry to waste your precious time with a friend of the family derail.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:Again, sorry to waste your precious time with a friend of the family derail.
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This is what happens when I quote Tucker Carlson.
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God I love D&D
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Badera posted:This is the least interesting derail. It's actually really interesting, unlike your posting.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:It's actually really interesting, unlike your posting.  oh wait, am I allowed to use that?
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I thought it was interesting, but not caring about which types of cigarette are marketed toward which demographics doesn't make you racist 
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N. Senada posted:
Quick, someone give that emoticon a pack of newports!
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I wish the product wasn't so evil, because a company sponsoring a jazz festival is cool in my book.  .My mom smoked "Kool" when I was a kid. (I am as white as white can be), so I always found that a bit odd. I'm in a weird predicament because I would never smoke, and would never, ever do it for health reasons (I theorize it gave my mother cancer, and well..yeah...not touching it). But here's what sucks. They funded a lot of cool things I liked watching growing up (Auto Racing), and yeah..that money is no longer there. Hopefully Big Marijuana can replace Big Tobacco some day soon.
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FuzzySkinner posted:Hopefully Big Marijuana can replace Big Tobacco some day soon. I've actually heard that Big Tobacco is waiting in the wings to fill the legal-marijuana void as soon as this becomes nationally feasible. Which would suck. I'm hoping we end up with something more like the craft-beer scene.
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loquacius posted:I've actually heard that Big Tobacco is waiting in the wings to fill the legal-marijuana void as soon as this becomes nationally feasible. Which would suck. I'm hoping we end up with something more like the craft-beer scene. No, Marijuana is much easier to produce than Tobacco and there are companies already producing marijuana that have experience and might even have a patent or two.
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loquacius posted:I've actually heard that Big Tobacco is waiting in the wings to fill the legal-marijuana void as soon as this becomes nationally feasible. Which would suck. I'm hoping we end up with something more like the craft-beer scene. Something like the craft-beer scene that currently does not exist because of Big Beer? You'll have both, you doofus.
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loquacius posted:I've actually heard that Big Tobacco is waiting in the wings to fill the legal-marijuana void as soon as this becomes nationally feasible. Which would suck. I'm hoping we end up with something more like the craft-beer scene. You would think they would be dropping billions into campaigns to get this done, you know? It would be one of the few times I would support corporate lobbying.
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FuzzySkinner posted:You would think they would be dropping billions into campaigns to get this done, you know? You'd think big oil companies would be the first ones in line to cash in on the alternative energy movement too but they're not. Which is strange because they have the capital and the infrastructure to take advantage of it. I dunno. I think an advertising/demographics/lobbying thread that explores what makes things popular would be interesting. This isn't the worst derail I've read but it doesn't really fit the topic of the thread. What the gently caress is it about Bill Maher that sends this thread into the crapper every 100 pages or so? Have no right wing pundits said anything insane in the last three days? Here we go. Unions, Obama hedging on terror and Honey Boo Boo from FOX front page: 
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BiggerBoat posted:You'd think big oil companies would be the first ones in line to cash in on the alternative energy movement too but they're not. Which is strange because they have the capital and the infrastructure to take advantage of it. Oil companies are mostly invested in producing oil, which is a fundamentally different industry than renewable energy. Building and operating a multi-billion dollar refinery doesn't give you any advantage at all in building solar panels or nuclear reactors
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BiggerBoat posted:What the gently caress is it about Bill Maher that sends this thread into the crapper every 100 pages or so? Bill Maher leans left and (justifiably) mocks the religious right, and for this reason sometimes people will overlook his bigotry even though his opinions are structurally the same as Rush Limbaugh's "Now I'm not saying most blacks are violent criminals but it sure seems to me like most violent criminals are black so maybe we ought not be afraid to ask some hard questions about their culture. Hmmmmmm. HMMMMMMMM." That's really it.
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Tab8715 posted:Do have an actual example? KomradeX posted:So Bill Maher is going on about the recent shooting in Canada Turns out the murderer was black - what are the odds, huh? Its almost like there's an elephant in the room. #ImTheLiberal
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Shbobdb posted:http://allaboutbeer.com/article/a-story-without-heroes-the-cautionary-tale-of-malt-liquor/ While not menthols, this is the story of how malt liquor became associated with the black community. Fascinating read and that that, presumably, has repeated itself in with other products as well. So what you're saying is Black Dynamite was not accurate? Tab8715 posted:Do have an actual example? Bill Maher posted:#Canada: Turns out the attacker was Islamic - what are the odds, huh? Its almost like there's an elephant in the room. #ImTheLiberal Now just delete #Canada and replace Islamic with Black whenever a crime is committed and you have a literal Freep post.
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