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Boatswain posted:Well ISIS is commanded by experienced terrorists and formed military officers and they behead people on TV, aspires to genocide, butchers villagers and operate a semi-functional state. Are you kidding me? And apologies doctorfrog I don't disagree that there's a lot to be optimistic about. I just don't feel that being optimistic means that one ought to rest on their laurels - or that continuing to shine light on something foul, is somehow malicious. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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coyo7e posted:And apologies doctorfrog I don't disagree that there's a lot to be optimistic about. I just don't feel that being optimistic means that one ought to rest on their laurels. There's that Ghandi quote "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win." If this is applicable at all to this situation, we might be in the "they fight you," stage. It's not a good stage, but hopefully it leads to the good stage, perhaps even verifying its inevitability. doctorfrog fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 00:28
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 The Ghandhi quote is entirely true, but as my potentially-upsetting terrorism metaphor was attempting to point out - if you take your finger off your shoelaces while almost finished tying the knot, the structure can and will probably fall apart.
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Also, whatever happened to N'Gai Croal? I haven't heard from him in a dog's age. Is he still doing his thing? I would have assumed he'd be out there acting as a pundit. Or did his private enterprise (I think he became some kind of professional game-consultant) make him reign in his habit of being super-vocal about social issues in gaming? edit: after looking him up, I found this article he recently linked, which was pretty interesting. http://ellaguro.blogspot.com/2014/09/on-gamers-and-identity.html?m=1 (LOL @ the chart graphic - the first thing I noticed was "Steven Tortilla" in the middle). Also "Doritogate" 
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coyo7e posted:I try to engage them in a civil discussion in a public forum, and then when their friends and family step in to defend them via the Patrick Klepek did just that a while ago when he was gung-ho about internet trolls and it was probably one of the best things he has done as an industry writer. The guy basically realized that he was being a piece of poo poo online and started to rethink himself. I'm sure there are a lot of people like that out there that are self-aware enough. A shame he hasn't tried anything similar with this latest junk, it would have been more effective than complaining about everything in his morning shows. Edit: coyo7e posted:edit: after looking him up, I found this article he recently linked, which was pretty interesting. http://ellaguro.blogspot.com/2014/09/on-gamers-and-identity.html?m=1 (LOL @ the chart graphic - the first thing I noticed was "Steven Tortilla" in the middle). Also "Doritogate" Jimbot fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Jimbot posted:Patrick Klepek did just that  Holy poo poo. What if, say, someone came by and keyed that dude's car every day? Would he just be like "welp, obviously my fault for parking there!" Right now in this moment of internet culture warrior-ism, I am so loving glad I didn't follow my initial post-high-school  and graduate from my Software Engineering major (I went into netops because I'd rather do lots of different things than work on one small thing, all day, every day,) and go on to make videogames. I even accidentally ended up living most of my life in and near in a town that's a bit of a game-dev hotbed, but I don't want to be any kind of public face in this industry right now.quote:from: Patrick coyo7e fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Gamers bullied in highschool now are the bullies themselves now that they have a sense of power.
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Those crazy responses read like a "The Matrix" self insert fanfiction. A learned, dark and brooding antihero who can view the truth of this world can save us through twitter harassment if only we allow them to.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Gamers bullied in highschool now are the bullies themselves now that they have a sense of power. ), and how my own smart-assed-ness was simply writing checks that my body could handle.. Then one day I turned that outlook on its side and thought about it from the view of the kid I half-again outweighed who got so upset by my harassment that I was forced to throttle him against a wall for talking poo poo back to me and  the wheels loving fell right off, and I was horrified and ashamed of what kind of person I'd been at that age. I have no idea how many hours of meditation and drug trips it took before some random person saying "Hey man, you're really being an rear end to that guy -is that necessary?" rang loud enough in my head to be an alarm bell - I can't even say when it happened. Just one day I went "I never lost a fight in school (but ran away and deflected the ones i didn't think I could win,) is there something wrong with this perspective?"It's the easiest thing in the world to see oneself as the most-valuable opinion and the most-persecuted person you're aware of, but a lot of the time for people in a position of privilege, due to the size, race, gender, economic status... It's the most-threatening idea one can entertain.' Recognizing others performing these same mental gymnastics in order to justify their stance and cement their status as "the underdog" in [every conflict online and politically in today's society] is kind of shocking and heartbreaking. It's probably been that way forever, I'm just grateful that I had the luck/opportunity/personal-bad-choices to get a look in the funhouse mirror and see my real self looking back. VocalizePlayerDeath posted:Those crazy responses read like a "The Matrix" self insert fanfiction. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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coyo7e posted:Also, whatever happened to N'Gai Croal? I haven't heard from him in a dog's age. Is he still doing his thing? I would have assumed he'd be out there acting as a pundit. Or did his private enterprise (I think he became some kind of professional game-consultant) make him reign in his habit of being super-vocal about social issues in gaming? He runs one of those consultancy companies that do fake internal reviews and market analysis. In other words, much like Jeff Green, you will probably never hear from him again in a professional capacity.
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Hakkesshu posted:He runs one of those consultancy companies that do fake internal reviews and market analysis. In other words, much like Jeff Green, you will probably never hear from him again in a professional capacity.
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coyo7e posted:I try to engage them in a civil discussion in a public forum, and then when their friends and family step in to defend them via the See, I think that'll work on most people, but I feel like we're gonna reach a point (if we haven't already) where the only people left are the pathetic, helpless Elliot Rodger types who are too unreasonable to be reasoned with, too shameless to be shamed and impervious to peer pressure because they see themselves as peerless, even within their own stunted little cliques. What then? "Upping the rhetoric" was in reference to where the conversation seems to have gone in the last few days: that is, focusing on getting big media outlets to acknowledge and condemn all this horeshit, not just as a way of confronting the perpetrators but as a way to increase mainstream awareness of the issues and attitudes that inform GG so that people can challenge or at least identify them within their own social circles. It'll be impossible to keep all these people from holding repugnant views but we might at least be able to prevent them from shooting up an auditorium or whatever other insane schemes might culminate from this whole ordeal.
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Hakkesshu posted:He runs one of those consultancy companies that do fake internal reviews and market analysis. In other words, much like Jeff Green, you will probably never hear from him again in a professional capacity.
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kuddles posted:In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Jeff actually works under N'gai's consultancy company. I did not know that! It seems to be the new community manager in terms of being a logical career path progression for game journos.
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I wonder how much longer Gamergate will be in the spotlight and clogging up literally every thread about video games ever on the internet. I'm not saying it's not something that should or shouldn't be discussed, but this probably isn't the place to be talking about it, this thread specifically seems fairly united in mindset about the whole thing.
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I like it. It's the only thread I've seen where people can just chat about how it's going without it erupting into a shitfight, or a bunch of people complaining that it's a derail without actually offering anything else to talk about (hint hint).
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It's clearly such a hot button topic so maybe it deserves its own thread. I nominate you, Forums User Tempo 119, to make it. Be useful!
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Captain Invictus posted:I wonder how much longer Gamergate will be in the spotlight and clogging up literally every thread about video games ever on the internet.
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You can probably imagine why it doesn't already have its own thread.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:You can probably imagine why it doesn't already have its own thread. TetsuoTW posted:I'd say until anything else interesting actually happens in this boring-rear end year for video games.
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Captain Invictus posted:I am fully aware why, and know that every single other gamergate thread has either been gassed or are honeypots. But does that mean this thread should be the tent city for the homeless gamergate discussion? People are talking about it because that's what's being talked about on a lot of the podcasts people are listening to? The conversation kicked back up again in this thread because of some other dude asking why people are still talking about it, even. It's not hard to parse.
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Hakkesshu posted:He runs one of those consultancy companies that do fake internal reviews and market analysis. In other words, much like Jeff Green, you will probably never hear from him again in a professional capacity. It's a shame (for us) when that happens. Rich Gallup showed up on the Giant Bomb premium show a year ago to promote a Game of Thrones-themed Facebook game and it was just sad. One of the things I like about Giant Bomb is their editorial staff has been so constant for the last six years. I feel like the crew there is really all-in and passionate about games criticism.
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Captain Invictus posted:But does that mean this thread should be the tent city for the homeless gamergate discussion? quote:Bayonetta 2 happened and I haven't heard much discussion on that, hopefully some podcasts talk about it soon because it looks really really fun and I want to hear more details.
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TetsuoTW posted:You clearly didn't read any of those threads if you think what's going on in here qualifies as the homeless gg discussion. Everyone in here is relatively sane and civil. He means "homeless" in the sense that people are talking about GG in this thread because they can't/don't want to talk about it anywhere else, which may or may not be true.
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It's really tiring seeing it absolutely everywhere I go online. It's everywhere on Twitter, it's one of the top trending things on Facebook, a bunch of threads on here are like dry forest beds waiting for the lit gamergate cigarette to fall upon them, hell I even get messages on Steam from people being like "you hear about that gamergate thing", both for and against. It's inescapable. Don't think I am unaware or unsympathetic to the people being harassed and receiving death threats, I've condemned it, argued against it, made my position known, etc. It's a loving travesty that the rape, death, and harassment threats continue to this day, but I'm not sure what else there is that can be done by average joes now. Gamergate is considered a poison by a lot of people now, especially the general public who only know of it as "the thing harassing that actor lady". But please, continue, I'm sure there are plenty who read this thread who have somehow avoided GG for the last 2+ months that will have mindsets changed by posts about it. At this point it's just repeating the same poo poo as usual. For a month or so I was pretty passionate about it myself but it's just an exhausting thing. I know that's what they're counting on, to wear opponents of GG down, but at this point I just don't have the energy to bicker about it anymore. Randallteal posted:It's a shame (for us) when that happens. Rich Gallup showed up on the Giant Bomb premium show a year ago to promote a Game of Thrones-themed Facebook game and it was just sad. One of the things I like about Giant Bomb is their editorial staff has been so constant for the last six years. I feel like the crew there is really all-in and passionate about games criticism.  TetsuoTW posted:You clearly didn't read any of those threads if you think what's going on in here qualifies as the homeless gg discussion. Everyone in here is relatively sane and civil. PaletteSwappedNinja posted:He means "homeless" in the sense that people are talking about GG in this thread because they can't/don't want to talk about it anywhere else, which may or may not be true. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Eh, that sort of posits that the only reason to discuss something is to change minds. I'm really heartened by this thread's attitude specifically, even if it seems like everyone is more or less on the same page. I can understand if you or anyone is sick of hearing about it but it is the most significant cultural issue in games for years and it's been brewing forever. It's natural for people who are passionate about the medium to want to discuss it at length.
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I guess. I just feel like the same points have been posted in the past in this thread which makes me feel like the current one is far more circular than it actually probably is
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I kinda feel the same way, in that yeah we've been around this bush over and over again already and it's getting both tiring and tiresome, but on the other hand if we're sick of this poo poo, imagine what the poor bastards on the receiving end of it feel like. This is really just the breaking of a wave that's been rolling up for years. The name might fade, but the phenomenon (well, collection of phenomena really) isn't going anywhere. We're going to have to do one of two things - either harden up and find some way of dealing with these assholes, or harden ourselves to the idea that this is just how things are. On the other hand, as far as this thread is concerned I think we're all more or less on the same side, and the other side will most likely never see anything we post. Then again, it behooves us to remember this is a real thing happening to real people, and to forget that would be frankly shameful. Basically it's all hosed up and there are no good choices. There are more moral choices, but not really good ones.
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That is my point though. I recognize it is 100% hosed, but there is nothing I can do about it beyond offer a counter argument to antagonistic Facebook posts and such, but at the same time a lot of that is wasted effort because they are never going to understand the argument unless it is from a victim. And half the time they say that they are making it up. It's just lovely. Nowadays I drop an article link or two and be on my way.
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Most of the antagonism I've seen is from people literally attacking the actual victims of this poo poo, so I'm not sure if your point stands on its own legs as to how "only a victim" can affect them. I am sorry that it was brought into your sandbox - would you care to bring up a more interesting and topical debate? Because there haven't been many interesting games coming out (Shadows of Mordor is nerfed for the only platform I can afford it on, and I don't think the new CoD came out yet, and I can't think of any other interesting games coming out in the next couple months offhand - the new Far Cry?) Just gonna drop a couple links and scoot now   TetsuoTW posted:Basically it's all hosed up and there are no good choices. There are more moral choices, but not really good ones. coyo7e fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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I know you're not looking for an answer to your question but Bayonetta 2 came out, like, a few hours ago. Alien Isolation and Evil Within just came out, Smash 3DS has been out for a little bit and the Wii U version will be out soon enough. You're probably not a fighting game dude but the upcoming Guilty Gear game is ridiculously, undeniably pretty. I'm sure I'm forgetting lots of obvious poo poo I don't care about... Far Cry, Sunset Overdrive, whatever. EDIT: D4! Someone has to have bought an Xbone at some point, maybe?
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Captain Invictus posted:That is my point though. I recognize it is 100% hosed, but there is nothing I can do about it beyond offer a counter argument to antagonistic Facebook posts and such, but at the same time a lot of that is wasted effort because they are never going to understand the argument unless it is from a victim. And half the time they say that they are making it up. It's just lovely. Nowadays I drop an article link or two and be on my way. Basically the point of continuing in the general sense is that people like me exist on this issue right now. There are people who can be won over, who are open to learning and understanding. You'll never win the radicals, but you can win the observers. Which is why I'm torn about continuing the conversation, such as it is, in this thread - sure, all of us who post are mostly on the same page. But the people who post in the thread aren't the only people that read it (or at least we can't presume we are).
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:I know you're not looking for an answer to your question but Bayonetta 2 came out, like, a few hours ago. Alien Isolation and Evil Within just came out, Smash 3DS has been out for a little bit and the Wii U version will be out soon enough. You're probably not a fighting game dude but the upcoming Guilty Gear game is ridiculously, undeniably pretty. I'm sure I'm forgetting lots of obvious poo poo I don't care about... Far Cry, Sunset Overdrive, whatever. Alien Isolation seems.. Questionable? Most Alien franchise games I've played were decidedly not-good. (AvP and AvP Gold were the exception but the multiplayer never took off - marine campaign as as scary as the first Condemned though, easily.. I used to make my roomate sick by sprinting down a tunnel in ap) I've heard a couple reviewers talk about it on casts, but it seems as though they are not super-enthused, and I can't afford "not amazing" right now, unless it's got a ridic amount of multiplayer replayability - for the first time inyears I'm genuinely interested in COD because it's been a couple gens since I played it and I am sure i could spend a hundred+ hours playing it this winter. Far Cry 3 was tits, despite the amazingly bad story, and I'm hoping to snatch it immediately -but the multi in FC3 was pretty tacked-on co-op garbage, and I don't have high hopes. I dunno what sunset overdrive is, sounds like a racing game, thus I am not interested.  Not gonna buy any nintendo games or devices for the foreseeable future, so smash and poo poo is done. This year has been odd for me because I've spent the entire year WANTING to buy a new console and even being able to afford to do so (maybe even without trading in my limited edition R2D2 xbox360!) and therw'es just not been enough games on them to give a poo poo... And then I recall that I got my 360 like 3 or 4 years after release if I'm being honest... And how my original XBox was years-old from a pawn shop - and connected to the internet via a literal dial-up modem on the handful of times I tried..  I kinda have this hunch I'm just not going to be interested enough in or want to invest the money in a PS4 or an XBone for at least another year, possibly a couple. It's not like all my XBLA games are going anywhere, and I certainly never beat most of them..! edit: the only thing I've heard about Bayonetta is how it's a feminist game so (although now that I heard that perspective I may go back and check out the first - which I'd assumed was genericnearly-naked-chick-fighter-game-#1000)
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Edit: gently caress it, bickering isn't worth it Here's something not gamergate related: today's idle thumbs was one of the best they've done in a while! If you've been skipping IT recently, this one is really strong with a five person cast. I might very well be sold on alien isolation after hearing it has tenish hours of quality content. And 80 Days sounds super good, but I have a Samsung Galaxy S3, not an IOS device, I can only hope that it gets brought to android devices. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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coyo7e posted:I dunno what sunset overdrive is, sounds like a racing game, thus I am not interested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmRR6MnS6dc quote:edit: the only thing I've heard about Bayonetta is how it's a feminist game so
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TetsuoTW posted:I hadn't actually looked at Sunset Overdrive until right now. It seems like it could be cool, like a combination of Dead Rising, Jet Set Radio, and Borderlands (with fewer memes).
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