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Comparing Alex's (initial) 1.5 year ban after a lengthy investigation to Trevor's 4 year ban almost immediately, I wonder if we're going to see an update to their cheating policies to make the punishments harsher. They've clearly learned that 1.5 years isn't enough time off to encourage people to stop cheating.
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And ironically Alex continues to cheat and get away with it and we carry on as if it was just another fact of life. Birds and the bees. But ya I am actually curious now and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the situation is different and Alex really is one of those typical grinders who have nothing better to do in the weekends and works at the comic book shop just to get by. It doesn't strike me as the reaction of someone with something to lose.
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PhyrexianLibrarian posted:Comparing Alex's (initial) 1.5 year ban after a lengthy investigation to Trevor's 4 year ban almost immediately, I wonder if we're going to see an update to their cheating policies to make the punishments harsher. They've clearly learned that 1.5 years isn't enough time off to encourage people to stop cheating. 1.5 years seems like not enough time to pretty much say. "You aren't welcome in this game anymore." 4 years is.
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Oct 24, 2014 14:57
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I like to think that Wizards saw that post, told him it was now five, and asked him if he'd like to leave it up and try for six.
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Oct 24, 2014 15:06
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Cheating with advantageous misplays doesn't make my skin crawl like stacking someone's deck so they literally start the game with a disadvantage.
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Oct 24, 2014 15:16
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Recess Rapist posted:Cheating with advantageous misplays doesn't make my skin crawl like stacking someone's deck so they literally start the game with a disadvantage. One definitely has a higher chance to win you the game but they are basically the same thing.
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Oct 24, 2014 15:23
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Sickening posted:One definitely has a higher chance to win you the game but they are basically the same thing. Watching games where Bertoncini is cheating is certainly more fun than watching games where Humphreys causes his opponent to mulligan multiple times. Hellsau fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 15:34
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I love it when people say "why do you care so much, it's just a card game!  " after they get caught cheating. If it's just a card game and it doesn't matter, why the gently caress are you cheating? And that's before figuring in the thousands of dollars at stake for a big tournament. I think he should have to pay back the prizes from every tournament he's won in addition to the 4 year ban. Maybe then people will decide that the risk outweighs the reward of cheating.
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Oct 24, 2014 15:34
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It looks like we have the mental magic and parlor tricks magic areas covered. Now I want to see some illusion magic: pull an entirely new deck of black lotuses out of their opponent's ear. And then proceed to place it in a box and chop it in half. 
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Oct 24, 2014 15:35
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Im not sure what it is about cheating at Magic that makes it feel so scummy. I mean I agree it is. At the same time though, I'm a big fan of Baseball, and I love love love all those crazy old-school cheats that pitchers do (all manner of creams and rubs and poo poo all over their glove/hat/arms/neck/whatever). Hell in auto racing, there's an ages old saying "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying". I wonder what makes one so much worse/different than the other?
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Oct 24, 2014 15:51
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toadee posted:Im not sure what it is about cheating at Magic that makes it feel so scummy. I mean I agree it is. At the same time though, I'm a big fan of Baseball, and I love love love all those crazy old-school cheats that pitchers do (all manner of creams and rubs and poo poo all over their glove/hat/arms/neck/whatever). Hell in auto racing, there's an ages old saying "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying". Because you're involved in it. Same thing with jokes. It's all funny until someone jokes about something that's close to you.
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En Fuego posted:Because you're involved in it. Same thing with jokes. It's all funny until someone jokes about something that's close to you. Well I played Baseball through high school and Im sure some of the guys I hit against were using pine tar to grip their curves. Just part of the game though. Similarly, I do fencing, and especially in epee (where touches count anywhere on the body) there's a lot of grey area that occurs when a fencer goes for a foot touch and hits the floor instead of a foot. I mean, you know drat well the second it happens whether you touched the floor or a foot, but I have never in a competition heard a fencer say anything other than "not sure, I touched something" when asked, which leaves it up to a judge who (unless you're at the olympics) has no way to go and review what actually happened. It's just part of how things work. For some reason though all these things in 'traditional sports' don't bother me at all whereas MTG has this mental image of no cheaters never.
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Oct 24, 2014 15:59
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Cheating at a physical sport usually involves tweaking one of the physical parameters of the game in a way that makes you appear extra-skillful. Cheating with advantageous misplays is analogous to this, and less offensive. Cheating by stacking a deck doesn't create the illusion of skill, it creates the illusion of luck. Nobody likes losing to luck, and everybody's used to writing poo poo off as "variance," so finding out that your opponent used that bias toward accepting bad luck to hide a cheat is infuriating.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:08
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toadee posted:Im not sure what it is about cheating at Magic that makes it feel so scummy. I mean I agree it is. At the same time though, I'm a big fan of Baseball, and I love love love all those crazy old-school cheats that pitchers do (all manner of creams and rubs and poo poo all over their glove/hat/arms/neck/whatever). Hell in auto racing, there's an ages old saying "If you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying".
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Oct 24, 2014 16:13
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http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/statement-regarding-recent-community-concerns-2014-10-24quote:A Statement Regarding Recent Community Concerns
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I fence too (saber, suck it épée!) but I think a lot of it stems from the inherent granularity of physical sports that results in greater grey areas which results in more forgiveness. In magic the actions are much more cut and dry and the questions rely on more intent where there is much more choice in the matter. In football the definition of what a completed pass is or in boxing a successful punch is much more difficult to ascertain unless we have ways to observe and define with pure physics in terms of angular momentum and forces. It's a lot harder to measure that than it is to measure discrete actions in magic. drat, phone posting is slow sometimes
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BJPaskoff posted:http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/statement-regarding-recent-community-concerns-2014-10-24 And, regarding this thread's concern of Bertoncini: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/suspended-dci-memberships-2014-10-24 alex Bertoncini 1205286779 cortlandt manor NY United States 2014-10-24 2017-10-24
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Oct 24, 2014 16:20
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Chill la Chill posted:And ironically Alex continues to cheat and get away with it and we carry on as if it was just another fact of life. Birds and the bees. alex Bertoncini 1205286779 cortlandt manor NY United States 2014-10-24 2017-10-24 Didn't get away. E;fb
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Oct 24, 2014 16:21
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Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:21
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quote:The 2014 World Championship, which takes place on December 2, 3, and 7 in Nice, France, will be undergoing a minor shift in which formats competitors will play on which days. Vintage Masters in paper at the World Championship.
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With Bertoncheaty style cheating its much harder to detect intent, and if you prosecute it too strongly you risk penalizing people for honest mistakes. With the bottom dealing intent is blatantly clear and there is no argument to made for innocence so it makes sense that the punishment would be harsher.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:22
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So what did poor old Alex do this time because he hasn't been in the spotlight as much as Humphries.
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AnacondaHL posted:And, regarding this thread's concern of Bertoncini: Brainstorm was just too tempting!
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I want a magic league where all the banned magic players are taken out of supermax and play for amnesty
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pakman posted:So what did poor old Alex do this time because he hasn't been in the spotlight as much as Humphries. Didn't put 2 back for brainstorm http://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/2jx8gu/alex_bertoncini_may_have_also_cheated_at_scg/ quote:
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pakman posted:So what did poor old Alex do this time because he hasn't been in the spotlight as much as Humphries. Cruising for value and ignoring his opponents triggers to do so.
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AnacondaHL posted:alex Bertoncini 1205286779 cortlandt manor NY United States 2014-10-24 2017-10-24 Yesss 
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Cernunnos posted:Cruising for value and ignoring his opponents triggers to do so. This was actually legit, oddly enough, I pointed out the actual cheat above :| Looks like Alex might know better than to cheat on camera, who knows.
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Zoness posted:This was actually legit, oddly enough, I pointed out the actual cheat above :| I was remembering the week before where I'm pretty sure he did do that.
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Cernunnos posted:I was remembering the week before where I'm pretty sure he did do that. If you're talking about his match against glancy at worcester he actually removed a land and had 7 cards not counting the land to pay for treasure cruise, as can be seen if you look really closely. I'm obviously not trying to defend the scumbag but it's important to be clear about what's actually cheating and what's not.
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Zoness posted:If you're talking about his match against glancy at worcester he actually removed a land and had 7 cards not counting the land to pay for treasure cruise, as can be seen if you look really closely. I'm obviously not trying to defend the scumbag but it's important to be clear about what's actually cheating and what's not. Ah. Fair enough.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:29
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It looks like there were reports of a ton of Brainstorm as Ancestral Recall.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:31
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AnacondaHL posted:And, regarding this thread's concern of Bertoncini: Also confirms Humphries got 4 years. I think it is for the best, cheating was becoming a joke because of Alex and how he just gave no fucks and kept right on when he came back.
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Uh oh, I hope none of you are Jared Boettcher fans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUDJ9ioabJE&t=506s for 8:30 and 12:30 he moves the exact bottom card of the deck to the top using chops and then does not change the top card of the deck. he makes a false cut on the 12:30 shuffle. i am checking the first two. edit: also on 5:25. 2:30 is hard to tell what he moves to the top, could be multiple cards, could be one. Sickening fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 16:40
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Good to see Wizards settling all family business today.
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Sickening posted:Uh oh, I hope none of you are Jared Boettcher fans. C'mon let's try to stay current here https://twitter.com/illethia/status/525668964350046208 quote:@thoughtxriot @jjflipped dci has dismissed the allegations against me, I've already talked with them. Witch hunts need to stop.
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Oct 24, 2014 16:43
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Zoness posted:C'mon let's try to stay current here You do you see the timestamp on that tweet?
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Patrick Sullivan @BasicMountain · 27m 27 minutes ago 3 years seems light, given previous history, but I'll take it.
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The DCI ban list is weird. There are multiple people with bans that last until 2049 or 2055 or 2099. Are those supposed to be lifetime bans and they're just inconsistent in how they enter them? Then there's also people banned until 9999-12-31
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Sickening posted:You do you see the timestamp on that tweet? More recent than your post? I already looked at the videos and it's definitely shady looking, but so does Jorge Iramain's shuffle from 2012 worlds and ultimately nothing happened in either case so v  v.The case in point is that it's possible to accidentally shuffle in a shady-looking way and that's why punitive measures for cheaters are hard to deal out fairly and efficiently. I agree that the 2:35 shuffle looks pretty bad, but it's also somewhat plausible, and realistically a LOT of people have awful shuffling habits.
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