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Payndz posted:The whole thing with Dancey and the OGL/SRD is mind-boggling to me; I can't believe that Wizards could have missed the glaringly obvious downside. "So this allows anybody, even our own competitors, to copy our system, make whatever modifications they like and put it out as their own product in perpetuity and royalty-free as long as they don't include our tiny handful of trademarked monsters like Beholders and Mind Flayers? What a great idea, nothing could possibly go wrong!" I guess they assumed they'd sell PHBs to everyone using a d20 product and all would be rosy. You have to understand that in corporate America lots of executives come from a MBA background and only think about things superficially. They're also usually removed from the customer base or reality of operations. If someone, such as a product manager or lead developer, pitches an idea with confidence, one that sounds good or "innovative" and can spin an impressive "value proposition," they'll probably jump at it.
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I liked the cat statue from ravenloft artifact. It became a larger cat the more you used it, and would sneak out at night and eat bigger prey. The first couple times, it didn't matter if it killed some mice and likewise summoning a housecat wasn't much of a boon. When it becomes a bobcat and local dogs go missing you start to get the impression it might not be good to have around, but when it turns into a puma and children go missing the real fun starts. It is a great example of getting praise for something, then being long gone by the time it screws everything up.
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Sage Genesis posted:5e DMG previews: Why hello there, Fighter! Did you say you had a low Charisma score because you had to prioritize physical stats over mental ones in order not to be completely gimped? These boots don't lick themselves clean, you know 
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Oct 24, 2014 18:11
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The Orb seems weird, it kinda means all of them are carried either by free bards or enslaved non-bards.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:24
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LuiCypher posted:Why hello there, Fighter! Did you say you had a low Charisma score because you had to prioritize physical stats over mental ones in order not to be completely gimped? These boots don't lick themselves clean, you know How many wizards do you know of with high Charisma?
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Oct 24, 2014 18:25
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Yeah that doesn't feel like a "gently caress the fighter". More like "gently caress everyone who isn't a Paladin or Bard".
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Oct 24, 2014 18:27
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Wizards can already turn into dragons, what would they want with the Orb?
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Oct 24, 2014 18:27
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Isn't the OGL the only thing that actually allows Pathfinder to exist?
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Babylon Astronaut posted:I liked the cat statue from ravenloft artifact. It became a larger cat the more you used it, and would sneak out at night and eat bigger prey. The first couple times, it didn't matter if it killed some mice and likewise summoning a housecat wasn't much of a boon. When it becomes a bobcat and local dogs go missing you start to get the impression it might not be good to have around, but when it turns into a puma and children go missing the real fun starts. That was one of the best artifacts ever. Thanks for reminding me; I'm gonna bring that poo poo back in my campaign. E: After our session last night, we agreed that the fighter is now absolutely the tank, while DPS does to the paladin and rogue. So fighter should probably be renamed defender or something because that's pretty much what he does.
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Oct 24, 2014 18:52
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Power Player posted:Yeah that doesn't feel like a "gently caress the fighter". More like "gently caress everyone who isn't a Paladin or Bard". Or Warlock or Sorceror... One of the few times Sorceror > Wizard
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Oct 24, 2014 18:53
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Peas and Rice posted:we agreed that the fighter is now absolutely the tank Barbarian does it better imo. Resistance to bludgeon/piercing/slashing while raging from level 1, choose Bear at 3 to gain Resistance to everything (except psychic) while raging. Fighter has Second Wind and...? Don't have the material in front of me but I don't recall it being that difficult to ratchet up a Dex/Con Barb's AC to compete with fighter/pally, could be wrong on that though.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:14
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We haven't delved into the barb much yet; our current party is two rogues, a fighter, a paladin, cleric, and wizard. There's almost no reason at all to play a fighter anymore, unless you want a newbie class with training wheels.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:20
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Basically every class that can pick up a shield is better than the fighter at its job.
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Oct 24, 2014 19:35
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Peas and Rice posted:We haven't delved into the barb much yet; our current party is two rogues, a fighter, a paladin, cleric, and wizard. 
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Oct 24, 2014 20:15
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Sage Genesis posted:5e DMG previews:  Sticky note made me laugh. This isn't the word "fololw" hidden deep in a paragraph on a random page. It's just... sloppy. Somberbrero posted:Man, what's the point of having awesomely powerful magic items if the game actively discourages you from ever using them? Use it anyway?  It's pretty status quo for my players to say screw it and shoot for the stars. Character death can be fun too. opulent fountain fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 24, 2014 |
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Oct 24, 2014 20:17
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dichloroisocyanuric posted:Use it anyway?
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Oct 24, 2014 21:33
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I think the last time epic artifacts even got used in a game I played in, I was 15.
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Oct 24, 2014 21:45
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OneThousandMonkeys posted:Basically every class that can pick up a shield is better than the fighter at its job.
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Oct 24, 2014 21:48
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Have they previewed a DMG item yet which DOESN'T loving change your alignment? gently caress's sake.
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Oct 24, 2014 23:21
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Hopefully they'll be something that changes gender. That would be wacky!
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Oct 24, 2014 23:28
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dichloroisocyanuric posted:Sticky note made me laugh. This isn't the word "fololw" hidden deep in a paragraph on a random page. It's just... sloppy. huh?
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Oct 24, 2014 23:34
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Peas and Rice posted:Hopefully they'll be something that changes gender. That would be wacky!
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Oct 24, 2014 23:37
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If I cannot play as a reincarnated badger wizard-lawyer this will officially be the worst D&D version.
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Oct 24, 2014 23:56
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Peas and Rice posted:Hopefully they'll be something that changes gender. That would be wacky! Oh like the Girdle of Gender Reversal won't show up in D&D Throwback Edition.
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thespaceinvader posted:Have they previewed a DMG item yet which DOESN'T loving change your alignment? Yes all of them other then Vecna's stuff and one card on the deck of many things. MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Oct 25, 2014 |
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Oct 25, 2014 02:00
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What the gently caress is hyperbole? Is that like a magic dagger?
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Oct 25, 2014 02:02
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"You're far to pure" "You're far too pure" There is a difference.
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Oct 25, 2014 02:03
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PeterWeller posted:Oh like the Girdle of Gender Reversal won't show up in D&D Throwback Edition.
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Oct 25, 2014 02:08
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Peas and Rice posted:There's almost no reason at all to play a fighter anymore, unless you want a newbie class with training wheels. Every companion character ever should be a Half-Orc Champion fighter because it's basically "I attack" with "crits more often and harder" tacked on for wacky hijinx. Fighter's basically a dip class, far as I can tell. Defense Fighting Style stacks with literally ANY other fighting style!
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MonsterEnvy posted:Yes all of them other then Vecna's stuff and one card on the deck of many things. Is he seriously already doing that thing where he just assumes something about a dnd book and then states it as irrefutable fact or are all the magic items from the DMG in the preview?
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Power Player posted:Man, to be fair, they are supposed to be extremely rare once-in-many-a-campaign items. One of the three of these is an ancient artifact from a forgotten age. Ones which have been liberated from the giant, crumbling stone towers in which they resided. They are so old that the magic used to make them has kinda gone janky, and lets you do poo poo even more powerful than they originally did. And they can be blown to ash by "Disintegrate", or a +3 Magic weapon.
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Is it actually fun for people to use random items like this in any campaign? I remember the one time me and my friends actually tried to use the Deck of Many Things in a campaign, all that really ended up happening was that the campaign ended because no one, especially the DM, wanted to play out the consequences of people drawing from the deck. I feel like the place for items like these aren't in DND campaigns, but in short 1 or 2 shot adventures where you want silly stuff to happen. Whether or not that belongs in a DMG, or a DMG for DND(instead of a game like Dungeon World or something) I'm not sure that I know the answer to.
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Oct 25, 2014 06:19
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See, what Next needed was more Hackmaster style magical artifacts But that ship has already sailed...
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goldjas posted:Is it actually fun for people to use random items like this in any campaign? I remember the one time me and my friends actually tried to use the Deck of Many Things in a campaign, all that really ended up happening was that the campaign ended because no one, especially the DM, wanted to play out the consequences of people drawing from the deck. They are incredibly fun for one-shot silly adventures. The problem is DnD's rules were written for flexible oneshots where anything can happen to your hapless characters and are still being applied to world-sprawling adventures.
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The Bee posted:They are incredibly fun for one-shot silly adventures. The problem is DnD's rules were written for flexible oneshots where anything can happen to your hapless characters and are still being applied to world-sprawling adventures. Don't worry, at your GM's permission, these options will both be fully fleshed out with modules.
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Bassetking posted:One of the three of these is an ancient artifact from a forgotten age. Ones which have been liberated from the giant, crumbling stone towers in which they resided. They are so old that the magic used to make them has kinda gone janky, and lets you do poo poo even more powerful than they originally did.
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Oct 25, 2014 15:07
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I hope thirty pages is enough to hold all those modules.
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Maxwell Lord posted:I hope thirty pages is enough to hold all those modules. Ten pages for each pillar!
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Maxwell Lord posted:I hope thirty pages is enough to hold all those modules.
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Rannos22 posted:Is he seriously already doing that thing where he just assumes something about a dnd book and then states it as irrefutable fact or are all the magic items from the DMG in the preview? Are you talking about me or him. If your talking about me. He said which items don't change your alignment that have been previewed. I stated all of them other then the Vecna stuff and one card.
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