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unpronounceable
Apr 4, 2010

You mean we still have another game to go through?!
Fallen Rib
I'm watching Inou Battle, F/SN, Mushishi, and Shirobako.

I haven't seen Parasyte yet, but that's going to happen.

I'm continuing Yama no Susume from summer.

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Strong Mouse
Jun 11, 2012

You disrespect us. You drag corpses around. You steal, and you hurt feelings!

RRRRRRRAAAAARGH!

Prepare to die!
I'm watching:
G-Reco
Amagi
Garo
Vanadis (I'll probably forget about this sometime in the middle of the season and not come back to it)
Seven Deadly Sins
Grisaia
Trigger needs money (this is the closest I am to dropping something, only the end of the previous episode is keeping me watching)
Yowamushi
Librarian Shepherd Harem thing
SHIROBAKO
Psycho Pass
April is your life
TWINTAIL!!!!!!

If it's name isn't here, I dropped it

I may be watching a few too many, but somehow I get through them.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012
I think I spoke too soon, the animation in Log Horizon ep4 is horrendous.

Redcrimson
Mar 3, 2008

Second-stage Midboss Syndrome

ViggyNash posted:

I do not understand this at all. Season 2 has improved on every aspect of the first, and got into the meat of the story much more quickly. A drat worthy sequel so far, and en route to be one of the best shows this year.

I just don't agree. The whole thing feels kinda lifeless and slipshod to me. Changing from an extremely distinctive creative voice like Urobuchi, that's probably inevitable in terms of the screenplay. It just doesn't seem as tight and purposeful as S1. Shimotsuki is kind of a prime offender here. Not only does she feel gimmicky and extraneous, but she feels contradictory. She's pretty much a completely different character from S1. Granted, she was only in a handful of episodes and she has grown up a bit, but unless we get some kind of flashback to fill in the gaps, I don't get how she arrived at this point in her characterization. She still seems to have a crush on Yayoi, who comforted her after her friend was murdered in S1... and yet she somehow developed a cartoonishly single-minded disdain for enforcers at some point along the way. She seems to exist purely to be a foil for Akane, except that we and Akane already know for a fact that Mika is totally wrong. So the conflict lacks any weight and her character seems pointless. I have a lot of other nitpicks about the overall writing-quality as well, but I'll give S2 the benefit of the doubt and assume it's going to address them at some point. Mika's characterization seems like an irrevocable mistake at this point, though.

The writing is hardly my only problem. The visuals have taken a pretty disheartening downturn, as well. Not necessarily the art or animation quality, though the egregious over-use of CG is distressing. The cinematography and shot composition in S2 is just well, dull. S1 of Psycho-Pass was vibrant and eye-popping. It had a tremendous understanding of space and visual language. Some individual shots in S1 communicated loving mind-blowing amounts of information through their framing and backgrounds alone. S2 is just basic and workmanlike. It mostly tells the viewer the bare-minimum needed to have context for the scene and then just kinda calls it a day.

I felt the "story" of the first season was probably the least interesting thing in the entire production, so S2 being basically nothing but plot exposition so far does almost nothing for me. I'm not saying it's bad, I'd probably give it like an 8/10 or a B- at this point. But I find the idea that it's even comparable to S1 kinda laughable, honestly.

Stall_19
Jan 2, 2013

Prodigy of Victor von Doom
Reading these last 2 pages tells me that more people should watch Mushishi.

Genocyber
Jun 4, 2012

Stall_19 posted:

Reading these last 2 pages tells me that more people should watch Mushishi.

I still need to watch the original. It's somewhere on my anime backlog.

TheManko
Dec 17, 2004

Redcrimson posted:

I just don't agree. The whole thing feels kinda lifeless and slipshod to me. Changing from an extremely distinctive creative voice like Urobuchi, that's probably inevitable in terms of the screenplay. It just doesn't seem as tight and purposeful as S1. Shimotsuki is kind of a prime offender here. Not only does she feel gimmicky and extraneous, but she feels contradictory. She's pretty much a completely different character from S1. Granted, she was only in a handful of episodes and she has grown up a bit, but unless we get some kind of flashback to fill in the gaps, I don't get how she arrived at this point in her characterization. She still seems to have a crush on Yayoi, who comforted her after her friend was murdered in S1... and yet she somehow developed a cartoonishly single-minded disdain for enforcers at some point along the way. She seems to exist purely to be a foil for Akane, except that we and Akane already know for a fact that Mika is totally wrong. So the conflict lacks any weight and her character seems pointless. I have a lot of other nitpicks about the overall writing-quality as well, but I'll give S2 the benefit of the doubt and assume it's going to address them at some point. Mika's characterization seems like an irrevocable mistake at this point, though.

The writing is hardly my only problem. The visuals have taken a pretty disheartening downturn, as well. Not necessarily the art or animation quality, though the egregious over-use of CG is distressing. The cinematography and shot composition in S2 is just well, dull. S1 of Psycho-Pass was vibrant and eye-popping. It had a tremendous understanding of space and visual language. Some individual shots in S1 communicated loving mind-blowing amounts of information through their framing and backgrounds alone. S2 is just basic and workmanlike. It mostly tells the viewer the bare-minimum needed to have context for the scene and then just kinda calls it a day.

I felt the "story" of the first season was probably the least interesting thing in the entire production, so S2 being basically nothing but plot exposition so far does almost nothing for me. I'm not saying it's bad, I'd probably give it like an 8/10 or a B- at this point. But I find the idea that it's even comparable to S1 kinda laughable, honestly.

Personally I was baffled by everyone who liked the first Psycho-Pass. Maybe this is why I’m happy with what they’ve done with the second series! It was broke, and they fixed it. To me the first series was poorly thought out and tone deaf. Dark scenes bordered on violence porn. All the horror, but without the delicate touch needed to make me take that level of darkness seriously. It made me uncomfortable and irritated in equal measure. The way exposition was doled out felt like some kid trying to do Mamoru Oshii's style, with none of the forethought it'd require. Enough time was spent on explaining what was going on that I felt there were gaping holes in the info they gave me. Like how far does Sybil extend? To other countries, or only within the city? What sparked my thought was the brief mention of foreign countries in one episode. How could the system possibly work if that was the case? It spent just enough time trying to make the ideas plausible that they fell apart for me. I could go on and on about the first series, but I’ll spare you. Point is I didn’t like it. I missed whatever it was those who like it latched on to.

In Psycho-Pass 2 the change of style has flipped it. I’m able to take it seriously. Dark scenes of violence induce dread, instead of feeling like exploitation. How it presents technical details has changed in such a way that it doesn’t take me out of the moment anymore. I'm focused on the plot at hand, instead of going "hold on a minute!". I’m liking the character conflicts. We might know Akane is right, but how she deals with it is what interests me. It’s all leading to something, and the way it has gone so far gives me confidence in their ability to pull it off in a satisfying manner. The subtle touches of how it tells the story has salvaged the series.

If you thought the original show was fantastic, then I can see how it’d be a detriment! But I’m happy as a clam with what they've done.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
You weren't supposed to take Psycho-Pass dead seriously, that's what made it good. It's a goofy joke at the expense of boring, authoritarian shows like Ghost in the Shell, with a little bit of genuinely angry social commentary underneath.

edit: I mean seriously you're complaining about "plausibility" in a show with SPOOKIE BOOGIE and "I smoke from the bones of teenage sociopaths because it reminds me of my youth." It's like complaining that Code Geass is too operatic.

Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Oct 26, 2014

Mercrom
Jul 17, 2009
I've seen like 3 episodes of Mushishi and it's probably the best procedural I've ever seen, but it's still a procedural. There's not exactly any reason to marathon it or catch up.

Would it even matter one bit if I started with the newest and watched all the episodes in reverse broadcast order?

GorfZaplen
Jan 20, 2012

A Doomed Purloiner posted:

So far this season I've been watching Urusei Yatsura because I don't live by "The Man's" schedule of releases.

Ramenman is aots imo

AnacondaHL
Feb 15, 2009

I'm the lead trumpet player, playing loud and high is all I know how to do.

Mercrom posted:

I've seen like 3 episodes of Mushishi and it's probably the best procedural I've ever seen, but it's still a procedural. There's not exactly any reason to marathon it or catch up.

Would it even matter one bit if I started with the newest and watched all the episodes in reverse broadcast order?

There are episodes here and there (both seasons) that delve into Ginko's past, and I'd say some later episodes assume you know some of that history. But if you want to try it by all means, sounds like a neat idea.

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

TheManko posted:

Like how far does Sybil extend? To other countries, or only within the city? What sparked my thought was the brief mention of foreign countries in one episode. How could the system possibly work if that was the case?

Sybil is only in Japan. The coast is guarded by robots, although it's actually probably more to keep people out than to keep them in, since conditions outside Japan (or at least in nearby countries) are implied to be pretty bad.

Redcrimson
Mar 3, 2008

Second-stage Midboss Syndrome

TheManko posted:

I'm focused on the plot at hand

This is probably the disconnect right here. Like I said, the actual plot of S1 was easily the least interesting thing about it. If you parse S1 of Psycho-Pass in terms of "what's happening in the story" and not "what point is the story trying to make", it's probably not going to work for you! Psycho-Pass is basically speculative sci-fi through and through. It's just one giant elaborate hypothetical. It's not supposed to be a bastion of completely rational iron-clad logic, it's purposefully exaggerated to make a point. Urobuchi really doesn't like utilitarianism or pragmatic morality, so he wrote a story specifically about how stupid and implausible they are.

S2 feels like a pretty significant step down in the overall execution of that original idea in favor of a more traditional Gritty Sci-Fi Cop Drama narrative. If the conceit of S1 was "Wouldn't it be really lovely if people really thought this Sybil thing was a good idea?", then S2 seems more like "Wouldn't it be really awesome if Akane was a hardass detective who doesn't play by the rules?!" I find one of those to be a fascinating question that reflects all sorts of rich ideas, and the other one is just the plot to every 80s cop movie ever except set in Blade Runner and with a female lead.

chumbler
Mar 28, 2010

Redcrimson posted:

S2 seems more like "Wouldn't it be really awesome if Akane was a hardass detective who doesn't play by the rules?!" ... the plot to every 80s cop movie ever except set in Blade Runner and with a female lead.

To be honest, that isn't entirely a bad thing in the grand scheme of things.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

Redcrimson posted:

Urobuchi really doesn't like utilitarianism or pragmatic morality, so he wrote a story specifically about how stupid and implausible they are.

This is an important point. The punchline of the entire show is that Akane is wrong -- and not just that, but also that she's the ideal citizen of a police state. Not the stereotype of a dumb prole too ignorant to see that they're being oppressed, but somebody smart enough to recognize it and moral enough to know it's wrong who can still rationalize going along with it for the greater good.

All the gallows humor is there to offset that very bleak premise. If it treated it 100% seriously it would just be a black hole of despair, and poor Urobuchi was trying his best not to go back to that. :v:

TheManko
Dec 17, 2004

Redcrimson posted:

If the conceit of S1 was "Wouldn't it be really lovely if people really thought this Sybil thing was a good idea?"

This is where my problems came in. I was waiting for it to explain to me why Sybil made sense to them, instead of just rolling with it.

Paracelsus
Apr 6, 2009

bless this post ~kya

Mercrom posted:

I've seen like 3 episodes of Mushishi and it's probably the best procedural I've ever seen, but it's still a procedural. There's not exactly any reason to marathon it or catch up.
The stories that I can remember are all good, though, so skipping episodes is probably missing good stories. :shrug: If you haven't seen the first couple episodes, I think they talk a bit about the river of light that pops up every now and then.

Alder
Sep 24, 2013

Mercrom posted:

I've seen like 3 episodes of Mushishi and it's probably the best procedural I've ever seen, but it's still a procedural. There's not exactly any reason to marathon it or catch up.

Would it even matter one bit if I started with the newest and watched all the episodes in reverse broadcast order?

It wouldn't matter in the long run since each show is episodic and there aren't many recurring characters. I watched S1 and read the complete manga series when I had insomnia. It's very calming but the mystery more or less fades since it seems to be following the chapters closely.

chumbler posted:

To be honest, that isn't entirely a bad thing in the grand scheme of things.

Agreed I would watch Akane become a elite detective for another 20+ episodes and movie.

Although, I'm not crazy about the violence against minor characters because it's to a point where I forget exactly who died last week and how it relates back to the story again.

Redcrimson
Mar 3, 2008

Second-stage Midboss Syndrome

chumbler posted:

To be honest, that isn't entirely a bad thing in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not saying it is, but I also don't think it's as ambitious or interesting. Anyways, I think I've said my peace on Psycho-Pass. I'll shut up so the thread can get back on track.

NeoSeeker
Nov 26, 2007

:spergin:ASK ME ABOUT MY TOTALLY REALISTIC ZIPLINE-BASED ZOMBIE SURVIVAL PLAN & HOW THE ZOMBIE SURVIVAL VIDEO GAME GENRE HAS BEEN "RAPED BY THE MAINSTREAM":spergin:
I just started watching Parasyte, which to my surprise is now becoming an animated series but I remember when I read it a long time ago I heard about talk of them making a series. I don't get something though. Did they skip the entire infection sequence where he wraps his arm with his headphone cable?

Also the second season of Psycho Pass is finally here?

Finally is all the good anime going to be on crunchy roll?

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)
Yuki Yuna is surprisingly good. I'm still worried that the show would pull off a dark turn but it's doing a good job of keeping things tense and making characters likable.

Cake Attack
Mar 26, 2010

NeoSeeker posted:

I just started watching Parasyte, which to my surprise is now becoming an animated series but I remember when I read it a long time ago I heard about talk of them making a series. I don't get something though. Did they skip the entire infection sequence where he wraps his arm with his headphone cable?

uh no?

did you watch more than like the first minute of the first episode

NeoSeeker
Nov 26, 2007

:spergin:ASK ME ABOUT MY TOTALLY REALISTIC ZIPLINE-BASED ZOMBIE SURVIVAL PLAN & HOW THE ZOMBIE SURVIVAL VIDEO GAME GENRE HAS BEEN "RAPED BY THE MAINSTREAM":spergin:
No I didn't. I just came on here to excitedly post about it. Probably one of my more favorite mangas. It was just weird how they're messing the order of sequences around. I have faith though, hopefully it's going to be a good choice in telling the story on screen.

First episode felt like it was over in two minutes and almost nothing happened. I don't think the dickhand will make an appearance either. Not like I'm going to be pessimistic about it but I can tell it'll be a crawl. The one thing I'm on edge about is them making it more subdued because the manga was insane.

The fact that it's a crawl though gives me the idea that it'll be more true to the original material. It's a crawl. But dickhand and dubstep in the same episode, awesome.


Okay now it feels like it's skipping something, whatever. It's still good. This is in contrast to what I remember but it seems like the first four-five episodes cover the first volume.

NeoSeeker fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Oct 26, 2014

Wallrod
Sep 27, 2004
Stupid Baby Picture
Answer all these questions and more by actually watching the goddamned series!

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Redcrimson posted:

Shimotsuki is kind of a prime offender here. Not only does she feel gimmicky and extraneous, but she feels contradictory. She's pretty much a completely different character from S1. Granted, she was only in a handful of episodes and she has grown up a bit, but unless we get some kind of flashback to fill in the gaps, I don't get how she arrived at this point in her characterization. She still seems to have a crush on Yayoi, who comforted her after her friend was murdered in S1... and yet she somehow developed a cartoonishly single-minded disdain for enforcers at some point along the way. She seems to exist purely to be a foil for Akane, except that we and Akane already know for a fact that Mika is totally wrong. So the conflict lacks any weight and her character seems pointless.

Please no flashbacks. Her friend was killed, she decided/ was chosen to become an Inspector and now treats the Enforcers as subhuman, because this is very much part of the Inspector identity. Seems to be entirely reasonable development to me.

graybook
Oct 10, 2011

pinya~
In terms of still watching:

My Little Husband Can't Be This Unintelligible: A surprising amount of heart packed into a short length. Quite enjoying it.

My Little Merman Can't Be This Reliant: I'm finding it pleasant enough to go along with.

My Little Animation Studio Can't Be This Lackluster: I'm glad that it's way more interesting than Glasslip ( but then again that's not very difficult, I feel). I do wish I understood more of the industry stuff though.

TWINTAIL TWINTAIL TWINTAIL: Picked it up after a bunch of y'all insisted on how headstrongly stupid it was. Hilarious.

My Little Amusement Park Can't Be This Unprofitable: Mildly heartbreaking at times, I feel, but I'm curious to see how Kanye can pull it off.

Dropping Gugure! Kokkuri-san based on what I heard from y'all. Behind on Inou Battle Within Everyday Life for now, so no real opinion just yet I guess.

Chromius
Aug 5, 2014

Stays shiny, even in milk.
Since everyone's posting what they're watching this season:
Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - an adaptation of the best route from the only visual novel I've read now with glorious animation.

Garo - The Animation - I'm a Garo fan and this anime is already a lot better than the latest live action series.

Parasyte - the maxim - a show that's got an Invasion of the Body Snatchers plot and some philosophy sprinkled in on what makes humans different and special compared to animals? Yeah, this anime surprised me.

Shingeki no Bahamut - Genesis - since it's kind of like a breath of fresh air with it's art style and it's been a while since I've seen a fantasy anime that didn't have a harem.

ViggyNash
Oct 9, 2012

genericnick posted:

Please no flashbacks. Her friend was killed, she decided/ was chosen to become an Inspector and now treats the Enforcers as subhuman, because this is very much part of the Inspector identity. Seems to be entirely reasonable development to me.

FINALLY, someone with a reasonable argument.

The why of it isn't nearly as important as how it fits in as an element of the story. As I'd kinda droned on about in the thread, Inspectors in this system are herded, by the nature of the system, into a cookie-cutter mold. Akane broke out of it because of (season 1 spoilers). We have yet to meet an Inspector that isn't Akane that doesn't treat Enforcers as subhuman.

CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

To add to the growing list of what people are watching:

Fate Stay/Night UBW - I wasn't entirely sold until the last episode, but that was quite possibly the best choreographed fight I've ever seen in anime.

Parasyte - An entertaining slice of life with dickhands and malevolent mind-controlling monsters from space.

Mushishi - It's more Mushishi.

Chas McGill
Oct 29, 2010

loves Fat Philippe
I'm watching:
Parasyte. It's good. Maybe one of the best manga adaptations I've seen so far. Good mix of faithfulness to the source and innovation.

I tried watching:
Shirobako. I found it really boring, probably because I don't have much knowledge of the industry. Like another poster said, it's tough to tell a lot of the female characters apart because they have identical faces. The character designs for the guys are great though.

Might check out Psycho Pass S2 now that it isn't a Urobochi vehicle.

Gyra_Solune
Apr 24, 2014

Kyun kyun
Kyun kyun
Watashi no kare wa louse
Things I am watching

WIXOSS is still pretty much Puella Magi Yami Yugi and it's great.

Chaika is still Chaika and also great.

G Gundam gno G-Regonguista G is a weird Gundam because while a lot of the others give too much of a gently caress for their own good, I'd argue that this one gives too little fucks and as such the characters tend to just do things somewhat arbitrarily. But hey it is robots

Argevollen is still going, most people here dropped it since it had the slowest start ever but it's definitely picking up. I still am probably only watching this because robots

Cross Ange because I want to see how deep the rabbit hole goes. One the one hand it's going to take a HELL of a lot for this to redeem itself and you're never going to be able to talk about this show without the really bad decisions the writers made early on but on the other the basic idea of the story is still kinda compelling and done decently, plus the three most significantly bad characters imo all just died so that gives me hope for everyone else I don't like also dying. Or maybe I am just dumb because robots. I still think Valvrave was salvageable and that in an ideal world with good writers on Sunrise's staff a sequel would've actually been really cool. (of course seeing Cross Ange now the idea of Shoko being the main character is much less of a good idea)

I still want Sunrise's staff to be purged and replaced though because it is very clear there are a multitude of very sketchy people calling and executing the shots there

Also Sailor Moon is still happening but I keep forgetting it is what with it being only every two weeks so it sure is a thing.

Davincie
Jul 7, 2008

you are dumb

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer

Davincie posted:

you are dumb

Pyronic
Oct 1, 2008

ROYAL RAINWHARRGARBL
And you aren't watching Build Fighters why?

Pureauthor
Jul 8, 2010

ASK ME ABOUT KISSING A GHOST
Basically not enough people are watching Build Fighters and that's bad.

Syenite
Jun 21, 2011
Grimey Drawer
Watching
Husband
Log Horizon 2
Unlimited Blade Works
Seven Deadly Sins
Kokkuri-san
Rage of Bahamut
Bathtub Merman
Build Fighters Try
Psycho-Pass 2
TWINTAIL
Mushishi


Will probably catch up on g-reco, chaika, and maaaaybe pick inou back up.

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
There was a very odd scene in this week's episode of Vanadis. An assassin throws a loving snake at one of the scantily-clad lady warriors and it bites her on the top of her boob, requiring the hero to rip open her clothing and suck the poison out. You know, the standard hilariously contrived excuse for some awkward fanservice. Only the characters don't make a big deal out of it in the slightest, and it's just treated as an important officer receiving a potentially lethal wound and requiring urgent attention. The hero's main love interest is right there when he does the poison-sucking, and she just goes 'good job, quick thinking, does she need a doctor?'

The combination of weird anime fanservice and characters acting like rational, professional adults is quite jarring, and I'm not sure how to feel about it.

KaneTW
Dec 2, 2011

I enjoy Vanadis and I'll keep enjoying it as long the stupid bitchy woman rivalry aspect introduced in ep4 isn't touched upon too much because it's really loving annoying.

devtesla
Jan 2, 2012


Grimey Drawer
That is the ADTRWest post.

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Gyra_Solune
Apr 24, 2014

Kyun kyun
Kyun kyun
Watashi no kare wa louse

Pyronic posted:

And you aren't watching Build Fighters why?

Because I never watched the first season nor any of the other gunpla shows and I will get to those once I've done all these other gundams in my backlog

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