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pray for my aunt
Feb 13, 2012

14980c8b8a96fd9e279796a61cf82c9c

watho posted:

I also really appreciate how Sera Guardians doesn't give you second winds when killing them. Especially during the RK5 fight.

Yeah, they do it in the final boss fight, too. It's some certain way of dying that causes them to not count, sometimes.

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Solumin
Jan 11, 2013

Backhand posted:

Because I have very weird morals regarding cheating in video games and am not willing to just straight up mod my profiles... are there any particularly good ways to earn badass ranks? I know doing drat near anything will gradually level them up, but I'd like to know if there's anything particularly simple or obvious I might be missing.

Play multiple characters. Badass Rank is account-wide, but specific challenges aren't. Plus you get to have playing all the different Vault Hunters!

Edward IV
Jan 15, 2006

Anyone wondering where the optional ECHO logs for the space herps mission were, I went through the trouble of finding them without a guide as there was none I could find.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=333820403
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=333820414
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=333820423
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=333820434
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=333820440


Boy were they irritating to look for. They only glowed green (instead of being marked white or cyan) and it didn't help that the level was dimly lit, the infection covering your view was predominately green, and the room with the brain bugs was flooded with green light. As you can see from the screenshots, the glow on the ECHO recorders (except the first one as I had already listened to it) aren't very noticeable. At least they were in somewhat plain sight and not hidden high or out of the way but it was still way to hard to find. My eyes hurt from staring at the screen for so long.

Vargs
Mar 27, 2010

I found a grand total of zero of those things and see no reason to change that in future playthrougs.

pray for my aunt
Feb 13, 2012

14980c8b8a96fd9e279796a61cf82c9c
Wait, they actually exist?

Tezzeract
Dec 25, 2007

Think I took a wrong turn...

Backhand posted:

Because I have very weird morals regarding cheating in video games and am not willing to just straight up mod my profiles... are there any particularly good ways to earn badass ranks? I know doing drat near anything will gradually level them up, but I'd like to know if there's anything particularly simple or obvious I might be missing.

Two words: loot cave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRRFoShER2k

wdarkk
Oct 26, 2007

Friends: Protected
World: Saved
Crablettes: Eaten
It would be an amazing troll to create a mission with optional objectives that don't exist.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

wdarkk posted:

It would be an amazing troll to create a mission with optional objectives that don't exist.

Well, that does sort of already happen in the form of optional objectives that just finish themselves. Like for the grinder mission, the "Don't ask nicely for the parts" objective is automatically fulfilled because obviously you've gotta kill everyone to get them. I don't think they do just plain incompletable ones though.

mycot
Oct 23, 2014

"It's okay. There are other Terminators! Just give us this one!"
Hell Gem

CJacobs posted:

Well, that does sort of already happen in the form of optional objectives that just finish themselves. Like for the grinder mission, the "Don't ask nicely for the parts" objective is automatically fulfilled because obviously you've gotta kill everyone to get them. I don't think they do just plain incompletable ones though.

"Enjoy party"

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

A question about that wonderfully re-farmable Hyperion Contingency Armory that you get after fighting Zarpedon.

If you leave the Eye of Helios, say to grind some guns, is the room still farmable?

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
No, the area is accessed through that place with the shield which is blown up and covered by rubble after the fight because of a plot thing, so you can't go back to the area at all after you leave.

Father Wendigo
Sep 28, 2005
This is, sadly, more important to me than bettering myself.

CJacobs posted:

No, the area is accessed through that place with the shield which is blown up and covered by rubble after the fight because of a plot thing, so you can't go back to the area at all after you leave.
No, I was referring to before I blow up the thing but after I fight the boss.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!

Father Wendigo posted:

No, I was referring to before I blow up the thing but after I fight the boss.

Ohhhh. Well it doesn't get blown up until you turn the mission in, so presumably yes you can go back? Maybe? I know the fight is not repeatable because you can't go back up to the arena after it's over, but the only way to know if the armory gets locked off if you just leave is to test it.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


Why do people farm Redbelly? I went back at level 35 and he (they) only dropped level 31 and 32 items. Am I missing something?

NuttO
Oct 22, 2001

sold fifty gold sixty platinum

Chasiubao posted:

Why do people farm Redbelly? I went back at level 35 and he (they) only dropped level 31 and 32 items. Am I missing something?

When you clear TVHM, everything scales to 50, plus Belly drops the Striker, a legendary weapon. It's not a great shotgun, but having a bunch of them means more blood for the grinder god. They also drop moonstones and there's a few chests in the area you can farm as well.

Chasiubao
Apr 2, 2010


Ooooh. Thanks, that makes more sense.

kim jong-illin
May 2, 2011
Speaking of moonstones, you can exploit the 30 free moonstones you get for each new character as a loyalty reward. Select "new game" but then select your existing save and it will automatically give you the loyalty reward pistol, shotgun and 30 moonstones again - you can do this repeatedly to keep farming the guns (they're blue so you can shove them in the grinder for purples) and the moonstones.

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
The guns, like Moxxi's Vibra-Pulse, will also be your character's current level or somewhere around there when you do this. I don't know what the bullpup's special thing is but boy is it a good shotgun!

I think it's special quirk is that all of the shots project outward in a cone but unlike other shotguns, the spread determines the angle of the cone instead of the radius of it. But maybe that's just all Hyperion shotguns and I never noticed. Maybe its thing is that it's just a great drat shotgun.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe

kim jong-illin posted:

Speaking of moonstones, you can exploit the 30 free moonstones you get for each new character as a loyalty reward. Select "new game" but then select your existing save and it will automatically give you the loyalty reward pistol, shotgun and 30 moonstones again - you can do this repeatedly to keep farming the guns (they're blue so you can shove them in the grinder for purples) and the moonstones.
I was never able to activate the grinder after putting in the loyalty reward guns.

orcane fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Oct 30, 2014

Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.
"You cannot travel to the map this player is currently in. You do not have the necessary downloadable content installed."

...

Huh?

EDIT: Fixed the popup text.

Kytrarewn fucked around with this message at 12:50 on Oct 30, 2014

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text

Kytrarewn posted:

"You cannot travel to the map this player is currently in. You do not have the necessary downloadable content installed."

...

Huh?

EDIT: Fixed the popup text.

Pre-purchase arena maybe.

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black

orcane posted:

I was never able to activate the grinder after putting in the loyalty reward guns.

I don't think you can include red text blue weapons in a grinder recipe, at least I never got it to work when I tried.

orcane
Jun 13, 2012

Fun Shoe
Yeah that's what I suspected.

Still the 30 moonstone and current-level shotgun/masher are nice (and so were the 10 moonstone and shotgun I got until I reset my profile because the game failed to recognize my BL2 savegame at first - so good the BL2 profile editor still works...)

Solumin
Jan 11, 2013
You can also just sell the guns. They're great if you want to do vendor farming but don't have a lot of cash.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

lazerwolf posted:

I don't think you can include red text blue weapons in a grinder recipe, at least I never got it to work when I tried.

I've grinded red text weapons. And ALL Legendaries have some red text, and those are part of the Legendary recipes. The restriction seems to be on a) those 2 loyalty items you get at start and b) items from the skeleton chest.

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text

Skandranon posted:

I've grinded red text weapons. And ALL Legendaries have some red text, and those are part of the Legendary recipes. The restriction seems to be on a) those 2 loyalty items you get at start and b) items from the skeleton chest.

You can still use the items from the skeleton chest. It's just the legendary recipe though, there is no recipe for 3 purples.

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Is there anything to stop me from grabbing the Excalibastard and using the editor to level it up with me?

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text

Party Boat posted:

Is there anything to stop me from grabbing the Excalibastard and using the editor to level it up with me?

No, if you really really need it you might also have to add some badass points with the profile editor.

lazerwolf
Dec 22, 2009

Orange and Black

Party Boat posted:

Is there anything to stop me from grabbing the Excalibastard and using the editor to level it up with me?

You could also farm infinite number of them apparently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV0AahOg3W8

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me
Well, if you are going to go as far as mucking about with the save files, might as well just use the editor.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

Not allowed to have nice things

Skandranon posted:

Well, if you are going to go as far as mucking about with the save files, might as well just use the editor.

How do you do that with an XBox though.

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text

Slickdrac posted:

How do you do that with an XBox though.

Can't you export and import the saves from it? The editor can still edit them

AirRaid
Dec 21, 2004

Nose Manual + Super Sonic Spin Attack

Slickdrac posted:

Just ignore most of the area specific challenges, a lot of them don't even work.

A lot of them are broken in Multiplayer, I haven't found any that won't work solo. Only the first person in the party will be able to complete a lot of things, anyone else will not trigger the challenge, even if it's just location based. Some things like Feed the Fishes in Hub of Heroism, the tooltip to use the fishtank goes away once one person has done it so no-one else can.

Backhand posted:

Because I have very weird morals regarding cheating in video games and am not willing to just straight up mod my profiles... are there any particularly good ways to earn badass ranks? I know doing drat near anything will gradually level them up, but I'd like to know if there's anything particularly simple or obvious I might be missing.

Go to your badass rank page and scroll right to see the list then press Q or whatever pad button to sort the list into "nearest to completion". (there's a legend at the bottom that'll tell you what to press) Then go do whatever is at the top til it pops then look again. Or just play the game a whole drat bunch I guess. I have 9000+ BAR already because ive just played loads. I do go out of my way to complete some stuff though, I like doing the area specific stuff, it's an extra layer of completionism.


Chasiubao posted:

Why do people farm Redbelly? I went back at level 35 and he (they) only dropped level 31 and 32 items. Am I missing something?

Redbelly also has a unique Head drop. Same with the Bosun. There aren't enough heads in this game!

kim jong-illin
May 2, 2011
Has anyone else noticed the physics occasionally going a bit whiffy? I've noticed that every now and then when I headshot the big bandits with the old fashioned space helmets (outlaws?), they'll suddenly go flying upwards and off the map at extreme velocity. It's very entertaining to watch but buggers me if they drop anything I want.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

AirRaid posted:

Redbelly also has a unique Head drop. Same with the Bosun. There aren't enough heads in this game!

From watching some speed run videos, it can be a very quick run, which also has a number of vending machines you can sell stuff at & check for legendaries, as well as 3-4 chests + 1 moonstone chest.

AirRaid
Dec 21, 2004

Nose Manual + Super Sonic Spin Attack
Yeah it'ss possible to skip chunks of that map and get to the boss nice and quickly just by jumping over poo poo.

Slickdrac
Oct 5, 2007

Not allowed to have nice things

AirRaid posted:

A lot of them are broken in Multiplayer, I haven't found any that won't work solo. Only the first person in the party will be able to complete a lot of things, anyone else will not trigger the challenge, even if it's just location based. Some things like Feed the Fishes in Hub of Heroism, the tooltip to use the fishtank goes away once one person has done it so no-one else can.

Was doing them in single player. Off the top of my head, killing Deadlift without using lift pads, Killing that one guy in the Hub before he does a thing, and everything but cult of vult on the station on the robot filled station level were all non functional.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.
From what I could tell, killing Deadlift without jump pads only works the first time you face him (or maybe it's just not on TVHM).

Edward IV
Jan 15, 2006

I believe that challenge is only obtainable during the story mission despite the fact that there are two other challenges you can get from fighting Deadlift any other time.

Really, the location specific challenges in this game are a lot more irritating and difficult to get compared to BL2. A lot of those challenges can only be obtained during the story mission and sometimes you have a short window of time to complete them. There were time where I had to quit the game and replay the level and backtrack to get another chance to complete the challenge. I'll even admit that I used cheat engine after a few regular tries because it became tedious restarting and rushing back through the level.

The Poopdeck challenge was very irritating given how far into the level I had to backtrack and figuring out how to kill him before the door did. Singularity grenades didn't seem to affect him so I had to just kill him quickly which was easier said than done. In the end, I used cheat engine to increase my gun damage 1000 fold or so because it got annoying after several long runs.

The most difficult challenge I've come across so far which I have given up trying to complete is the one where you escort Felicity and keep her from killing any scavs. Sounds simple except for the fact that she can OHKO the scavs, has a long quick lunge that can also strike enemies, and the scavs only show up when Felicity is well within striking range. Short of spamming very high damage grenades or rockets with a large damage radius, this challenge is next to impossible in normal play.

The only irritating challenge I remember from BL2 was the save the turrets challenge which only could be completed once during the story mission. However, it wasn't impossible to accomplish as long as you killed the surveyors quickly as they were the only enemies that seemed focused on destroying the turrets.

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Kytrarewn
Jul 15, 2011

Solving mysteries in
Bb, F and D.
RK5 on normal mode was, I think, the biggest challenge that I have had so far in the game. I'm about to fight the endboss of TVHM (as claptrap, fwiw) and there hasn't been any boss even nearly as frustrating and wipey.

The difficulty curve in general is all kinds of hosed, though. Shoot the obvious boss at 41, then immediately your next quest is surrounded by swarms of impossible level 47 trash.

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