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Now Mamontov needs to film "Salo: 120 days of sodom" about the Maidan. Oh, wait, that title's already taken.
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TeodorMorozov posted:Your efforts were amazing but also useless. The way I see it, is that by banning you SA can drain the russian military budget ten american dollars at a time.
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Oct 30, 2014 15:28
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TeodorMorozov posted:Your efforts were amazing but also useless. A buk? Get out of here with that NATO propaganda. It was clearly shot down by a Ukrainian jet, which was trying to shoot down Putin, and yet also MH17 was intentionally downed as part of a NATO plot (or something).
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Oct 30, 2014 15:38
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TeodorMorozov posted:Your efforts were amazing but also useless. There is no such thing as a Buk-M except as a reference to the entire modernized family of the Buk SAM system (basically everything made after 1983). The Buk-M1 was first Soviet modernization of the original Buk and that was followed by the Buk-M1-2, and eventually the Buk-M2. All of these fall under "Buk-M".
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Oct 30, 2014 15:42
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Warbadger posted:There is no such thing as a Buk-M except as a reference to the entire modernized family of the Buk SAM system (basically everything made after 1983). The Buk-M1 was first Soviet modernization of the original Buk and that was followed by the Buk-M1-2, and eventually the Buk-M2. All of these fall under "Buk-M". Going to need some lotion for that 
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Oct 30, 2014 16:08
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TeodorMorozov posted:Your efforts were amazing but also useless. I wasn't aware the former Iraqi Information Minister got a new job. And in Russia of all places.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:13
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Warbadger posted:There is no such thing as a Buk-M except as a reference to the entire modernized family of the Buk SAM system (basically everything made after 1983). The Buk-M1 was first Soviet modernization of the original Buk and that was followed by the Buk-M1-2, and eventually the Buk-M2. All of these fall under "Buk-M". Not exactly. There is another branch of Buk-Ms that was modernized by Ukroboronprom (Ukrainian Defense Industry), and was intended to serve Ukrainian Army Forces only.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:49
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TeodorMorozov posted:Not exactly. There is another branch of Buk-Ms that was modernized by Ukroboronprom (Ukrainian Defense Industry), and was intended to serve Ukrainian Army Forces only. Uh huh. You do realize that making a claim like this with no proof at all other than "Defense minister said so" doesn't hold up claims supported by pictures of the weapon used, maps, and other supporting evidence as well as an explanation of the reasoning that lead them to said conclusion.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:53
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TeodorMorozov posted:Not exactly. There is another branch of Buk-Ms that was modernized by Ukroboronprom (Ukrainian Defense Industry), and was intended to serve Ukrainian Army Forces only.  Buk-MB.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:59
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TeodorMorozov posted:Not exactly. There is another branch of Buk-Ms that was modernized by Ukroboronprom (Ukrainian Defense Industry), and was intended to serve Ukrainian Army Forces only. "You're wrong Brown Moses, it was a BUK-M, which is Ukrainian.  ""BUK-M is meaningless, they're all BUK-M's" "No no I mean it's a special Ukrainian BUK-M, see?" I don't know if you're trolling or dumb, but the distinction doesn't really matter.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:09
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TeodorMorozov posted:Not exactly. There is another branch of Buk-Ms that was modernized by Ukroboronprom (Ukrainian Defense Industry), and was intended to serve Ukrainian Army Forces only. Actually it is in fact exactly as I said and your implication is utter unsubstantiated bullshit. Ukraine operates the (rather outdated at this point) Buk and the not-quite-as-old Buk-M1. They do not operate nor export a "Buk-M" aside from the Buk-M1 and some domestic modernizations of the Buk-M1 which they still call the Buk-M1. They also upgraded some Belorussian launchers with a new RADAR that they called a Buk-MB, which is still not called a "Buk-M" unless you're referring to the entire family of weapon systems. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Oct 30, 2014 |
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Oct 30, 2014 18:00
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TeodorMorozov posted:Your efforts were amazing but also useless. So Valentyn Nalyvaichenko just said all the Russian media that claimed it was downed by an Ukrainian Su-25 are lying? That's some progress I guess.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:18
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Cat Mattress posted:So Valentyn Nalyvaichenko just said all the Russian media that claimed it was downed by an Ukrainian Su-25 are lying? Nalyvaychenko is a Ukrainian security official.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:23
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Oct 30, 2014 18:30
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There are some nice lifehacks on "his" twitter.
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Wierre posted:
The irony is Azerbaijan is somehow even more repressive.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:09
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OddObserver posted:Nalyvaychenko is a Ukrainian security official.  Actually he is CIA 
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TeodorMorozov posted:
Which of the 4-5 conflicting "NO IT WASN'T THE REBELS" narratives on MH17 do you actually believe?
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Oct 30, 2014 20:30
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Best Friends posted:Which of the 4-5 conflicting "NO IT WASN'T THE REBELS" narratives on MH17 do you actually believe? Ooooh oooh I've got a good one: It was the rebels but they were using a Buk that Ukrainian intelligence purposefully sabotaged to secretly only fire on commercial airliners. I'll just sit back and wait for RT to contact me with a job offer now.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:41
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Cuntpunch posted:Ooooh oooh I've got a good one: It was the rebels but they were using a Buk that Ukrainian intelligence purposefully sabotaged to secretly only fire on commercial airliners. My pet theory is that the Malaysian airlines flight that went missing in the Pacific landed safely somewhere and they tried to collect insurance on it. The ace reporters at prisonplanet.com were getting too close to the truth so Malaysian Airlines had no choice but to destroy the plane for real. I like to think that the SA forum is considered a significant enough part of American public opinion that the FSB/Nashi actually paid ten dollars to try to influence us.
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Oct 30, 2014 21:29
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Smerdyakov posted:I like to think that the SA forum is considered a significant enough part of American public opinion that the FSB/Nashi actually paid ten dollars to try to influence us.
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Oct 30, 2014 21:46
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Rent-A-Cop posted:There are plenty of Russian nationalists who'll do it for free. It momentarily offsets the terror they feel about Russia's decline into a second-rate European power from it's previous position as a global hegemon. It is second place global hegemon.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:01
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsfnVkyceo0 Russian actor Mikhail Porechenkov decided to go on safari in Ukraine in a press gear. I guess the next dead LifeNews or RT journo would know whom to thank for being treated like a target.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:11
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Unfortunately, the experiment "The problem of population survival on Ukraine during winter with shortage of energy" ( ) will not be conducted ... But on the other side, RF finally gets debt from Ukraine, that is not so bad. Moreover, this is EU money, that adds some charm to these gas agreements
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Oct 31, 2014 00:27
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Putin supposedly had a speech in Sochi a few days ago in which he admonished the backroom dealings of "Western elites" and dealing directly "to the people"... http://cluborlov.blogspot.fi/2014/10/putin-to-western-elites-play-time-is.html quote:. Russia will no longer play games and engage in back-room negotiations over trifles. But Russia is prepared for serious conversations and agreements, if these are conducive to collective security, are based on fairness and take into account the interests of each side. The translators seemed to think this was a really big deal.
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Oct 31, 2014 00:45
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Best Friends posted:Which of the 4-5 conflicting "NO IT WASN'T THE REBELS" narratives on MH17 do you actually believe? I believe it wasn't the rebels. It was a rogue, drunken team of Russian women who stole a Buk-M1-2 from a Ukranian storage shed in New Russia and decided to drive it to Old Russia for training before they decided to go to Neuvo Russia and defend the Russian ethnic peoples against Ukranian terrorism of air superiority. Clearly, Russia cannot trust women with equal rights.
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Oct 31, 2014 01:00
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Young Freud posted:Putin supposedly had a speech in Sochi a few days ago in which he admonished the backroom dealings of "Western elites" and dealing directly "to the people"... But I don't know if Putin actually said that or if that's just Orlov's interpretation. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 01:31 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 01:06
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quote:7. Russia does not wish for the chaos to spread, does not want war, and has no intention of starting one. However, today Russia sees the outbreak of global war as almost inevitable, is prepared for it, and is continuing to prepare for it. Russia does not war—nor does she fear it. quote:First of all, as regards the future development of mankind, and quite apart from all present political considerations. Fascism does not, generally speaking, believe in the possibility or utility of perpetual peace. It therefore discards pacifism as a cloak for cowardly supine renunciation in contradistinction to self-sacrifice. Welp, there it is
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Another thing is that "global war" might not mean conventional war in the old way we think about it, but a kind of hybrid war involving political/diplomatic/intelligence/covert/unconventional means to secure national objectives. Which is kind of ... what Russia is doing now. I think that's the more likely case. But the dangers of nuclear weapons has not gone away, and the idea of an unthinkable nuclear war in the 21st century involving Russia and the West might need some thinking about, if only because of the dangers of miscalculation -- which never went away -- and because the consequences would be so disastrous for the planet and the human race.
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Putin sounds very desperate there. The only reason he drops the masquerade, so to speak, is because he sucks at that game and he's getting througly owned in every aspect besides straight military (nuclear) power, the only thing he can flaunt. It's like watching an animal caught in a snare thrashing around.
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pigdog posted:Putin sounds very desperate there. The only reason he drops the masquerade, so to speak, is because he sucks at that game and he's getting througly owned in every aspect besides military power. It's like watching an animal caught in a snare thrashing around. The continued downturn in energy prices, primarily led by American production, is tanking Russian foreign power. While America has a widely diversified base of power, Russian power solely results from alcohol and energy. Solely, meaning it does not result from the accountability or the morals of the Russian peoples. What we are seeing is a world finally realizing that, while America won't be there for you in times of plenty, we will be there for you in times of few. The rising and aspiring non-democratic powers of this world cannot guarantee the same.
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pigdog posted:Putin sounds very desperate there. The only reason he drops the masquerade, so to speak, is because he sucks at that game and he's getting througly owned in every aspect besides straight military (nuclear) power, the only thing he can flaunt. It's like watching an animal caught in a snare thrashing around. Shame that this is exactly when such powers are at their most dangerous. If I were the Americans or Germans I'd be rearming yesterday.
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Forums Terrorist posted:Shame that this is exactly when such powers are at their most dangerous. If I were the Americans or Germans I'd be rearming yesterday. Unlike England, America never ceased its armaments post-war. We used the downsizing to get smart with them. Unfortunately, our domestic policy is complacent about the threat Russia poses and has fallen in line with populist demagogues. I do think another red scare could be a useful policy tool to reign in the populists, after this election.
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The US doesn't need a red scare this time, we already have Ebola, ISIS, immigrants, Obamacare and Common Core to scare people with. Polish film maker makes zombie video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJsKtRx4wf8
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My Imaginary GF posted:Unlike England, America never ceased its armaments post-war. We used the downsizing to get smart with them. Lack of fear isn't America's problem.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Unlike England, America never ceased its armaments post-war. We used the downsizing to get smart with them. I think a purge would be a wonderful policy tool to reign in the lobbyists and thinktanks. It's obvious their ideas have had their chance and failed.
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Panzeh posted:I think a purge would be a wonderful policy tool to reign in the lobbyists and thinktanks. It's obvious their ideas have had their chance and failed. How do you know Russia isn't using dark money to fund teaparty challengers in America to shut down the government? How do you know 100% that isn't the case? Can you verify with 100% certainty that isn't the case?
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My Imaginary GF posted:How do you know Russia isn't using dark money to fund teaparty challengers in America to shut down the government?
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Omi-Polari posted:It's hard to prove a negative. But I think a lot of people are kind of in the dark (or underestimate) the amount of foreign intelligence activity inside the United States. It's not like the US has any secrets other countries could take advantage of. Surprise, we're operating a panopticon-style surveillance apparatus and want to bomb everyone who doesn't wave the US flag with enough gusto. Truly a shocking discovery
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icantfindaname posted:It's not like the US has any secrets other countries could take advantage of. Surprise, we're operating a panopticon-style surveillance apparatus and want to bomb everyone who doesn't wave the US flag with enough gusto. Truly a shocking discovery BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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