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I don't like the guy who won the tcg 50k. Pretty much every interaction ive had with him was quite negative.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:29
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Wadjamaloo posted:Its crazy how many people were in denial about this even though the evidence was incredibly damning. Good on wizards for keeping up integrity. I'm actually a fan of the delay even if they had processed the video evidence a week ago. I mean, yes, people that dq'ed are actively making the game worse for everyone fair player, but I mean I honestly feel like stuff like http://isjaredboettcherbannedyet.com/ is getting excessive.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:29
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sarmhan posted:Yea, it was pretty clear from the sheer volume of videos showing his shady shuffling- one wouldn't have been enough but it became obvious that he was doing this constantly, even on-camera. Do the organizers of the tournaments he won have any recourse to retrieve the money he won fraudulently? Maybe? I mean they can file civil suit but are these videos strong enough evidence for a court of law? That may be a little iffier. Also there is the matter of recovering even if you win. Say SCG gets a judgement against him for 10k or 15k whatever, does he have this money in the bank? Did he spend it on college tuition, a car, a home, bills, magic cards? It isn't easy to get money out of people if they don't just have the cash laying around in the bank.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:30
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Oct 30, 2014 16:30
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sarmhan posted:Yea, it was pretty clear from the sheer volume of videos showing his shady shuffling- one wouldn't have been enough but it became obvious that he was doing this constantly, even on-camera. Do the organizers of the tournaments he won have any recourse to retrieve the money he won fraudulently? Probably not easily and that's probably why the bans are so long - there's a lot more money involved in magic grinding nowadays than there was a few yearsa go.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:31
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vOv posted:#guildgate Holy poo poo.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:37
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Snacksmaniac posted:Holy poo poo. I love this thread so loving much.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:44
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Zoness posted:I'm actually a fan of the delay even if they had processed the video evidence a week ago. I mean, yes, people that dq'ed are actively making the game worse for everyone fair player, but I mean I honestly feel like stuff like http://isjaredboettcherbannedyet.com/ is getting excessive. The evolution of disgust over cheaters across the past month is fascinating to watch. It's not wholly based on who is doing the cheating, but how tired the Magic community at large is with cheaters. The allegations against Jared felt like a witch-hunt because of things like isjaredboettcherbannedyet.com. I think posting the videos publicly does force Wizards' hand on investigating things faster, but poo poo like that website and the practical cyber-bullying makes the Magic community look bad. I'm worried someone is going to get this kind of attack against them and what would happen if that person was cleared by the DCI. It'd be practically as bad as if they were found guilty and suspended, because they'd be ostracized by the Magic community forever. It's not too farfetched. At least once a month, someone comes to me accusing someone of cheating because they have a better than average draft deck. vOv posted:#guildgate  Rating my own thread 5 because of you two, not me.
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Oct 30, 2014 16:46
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AnacondaHL posted:Half of it was presented like someone really stretching due to a personal vendetta, so no it's not that crazy considering if those people only saw this half. The community was quick to jump on the other guy because he looked like a smug bastard, but no one wanted to admit their nerdy hero was a cheater. I saw people outright denying the video that clearly showed him peeking a wasteland and sliding it to the top.
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vOv posted:#guildgate  G-d drat where was this 2 years ago
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Oct 30, 2014 16:47
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Yawgmoth posted:Remember, this was supposed to simplify things by making combat damage not use the stack anymore! One, that was not the point of removing combat damage from the stack. The reason was to add strategic choice. Two, you guys are crazy overcomplicating things. He attacks Do stuff You block AND he decides which blocker will be damaged first. Together. This is usually him saying "I'll kill that one" if you are double blocking up Do stuff (pump) Apply the damage. Once 'lethal' has been done to the first you can start putting leftover damage on the next and so on. That's it! The real complexity is what constitutes lethal when there is protection and prevention effects and banding andshit floating around.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:00
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Zoness posted:Hey apparently this guy was a cheatyface after all: Interesting that the next Rookie gets the invite, since they'd initially said it would become an at large one. Looks like there was enough of a fuss kicked up to change their minds.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:07
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Morph makes this fun too. I had an opponent scoop after I attacked with a morph and a Sagu Archer, he blocked both with an Unyielding Krumar (Brave the Sands), gave it first strike then ordered damage Morph -> Archer. I flipped the morph into Sidisi's Pet  Sleep of Bronze posted:Interesting that the next Rookie gets the invite, since they'd initially said it would become an at large one. Looks like there was enough of a fuss kicked up to change their minds. Everyone Jared cheated had cause to complain, but I think the feeling is this guy had more cause to complain than most because he had a pretty big deal important title directly stolen by Jared's actions.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:08
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Sheesh, errybody be cheating nowaydays. Boetcher was getting all these accolades for an unprecedented run of success. Combine that with Humphries "amazing" showing at the open where he won both the standard open and modern premier, does this mean we have ought to be suspicious of anyone that does extraordinarily well? Has there ever been a "legit" crazy good run of success?
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Oct 30, 2014 17:30
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Not emptyquoting because I want to say it gave me a good chuckle.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:32
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Oct 30, 2014 17:32
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A big flaming stink posted:Sheesh, errybody be cheating nowaydays. Didn't Owen T win back-to-back GPs once?
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Oct 30, 2014 17:33
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A big flaming stink posted:Sheesh, errybody be cheating nowaydays. I think LSV won a pro tour and then was in the finals of the next one once. And this is why merit-based investigations are dumb.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:36
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There was also Kai's run in 99-2000.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:39
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A big flaming stink posted:Sheesh, errybody be cheating nowaydays. You should. I think the statistic thrown around is the pro players win 60-65% of their matches. Given an average GP/PT/SCG open of 10 rounds day one, consistently making day 2/top 8 more than 2/3's of the time is cause for suspicion. It doesn't mean cheating, luck is luck, but it probably should put you into a review status. Also why bye's are super valuable. Skipping 1/3 of day 1 matches at a GP is a big deal. Elyv posted:There was also Kai's run in 99-2000. Lets go review the tape ref. It isn't a witch hunt if we find witches!
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Oct 30, 2014 17:41
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Can we get a power ranking of cheats by their likeliness to win you a game? Maybe put it on a grid with likeliness to get you caught?
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Oct 30, 2014 17:53
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Zoness posted:Can we get a power ranking of cheats by their likeliness to win you a game? Maybe put it on a grid with likeliness to get you caught? My left hook is very powerful. It has won me several bouts of wizard battle.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:58
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July of 2014 was my one year anniversary in playing Magic so I was bored last night. I really enjoy watching TCG and SCG events on stream so I wanted to see if on Youtube if I could find old World Championships or other events from 2012, 2011, 2010 and so on and it was like I found a treasure trove. I was watching the final I think of 2012 where the finals were two guys, one was playing RG Titans where he would just ramp into his deck of 4 Inferno and 4 Primeval and basically won 3 matches easily to take the title. I think he called the deck "Wolf Run Ramp". I found some 2008/2009 videos but the quality is so god awful and pixelated it's hard to follow Is all this old stream stuff archived anywhere for easy viewing?
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Oct 30, 2014 17:59
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Molybdenum posted:Tom Ross? In both Legacy and Standard, too, IIRC.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:01
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Well done  holy poo poo lol
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Oct 30, 2014 18:19
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A big flaming stink posted:Combine that with Humphries "amazing" showing at the open where he won both the standard open and modern premier, does this mean we have ought to be suspicious of anyone that does extraordinarily well? A friend and I were talking about this last weekend. With two pretty high-profile players getting caught doing basically the exact same cheat, it makes one wonder how widespread it is. Someone else brought it up a few posts above, but it would be interesting to see if there are any players that are Top 16'ing tournament after tournament. That exceeds the 60-65% win rate of matches you would expect from the very best players. This is purely anecdotal, but you pretty often at the open series see guys that show up often enough (Reid Duke, BBD, Todd Anderson) scrub out pretty often. I'd be interested to see the final finishes of the guys that grind that series but aren't really good enough to hack it on the pro circuit.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:24
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AgentSythe posted:A friend and I were talking about this last weekend. With two pretty high-profile players getting caught doing basically the exact same cheat, it makes one wonder how widespread it is. Someone else brought it up a few posts above, but it would be interesting to see if there are any players that are Top 16'ing tournament after tournament. That exceeds the 60-65% win rate of matches you would expect from the very best players. This is purely anecdotal, but you pretty often at the open series see guys that show up often enough (Reid Duke, BBD, Todd Anderson) scrub out pretty often. I'd be interested to see the final finishes of the guys that grind that series but aren't really good enough to hack it on the pro circuit. Trevor Humphries was high profile? I wouldn't have heard of him if it weren't for the accusations in the first place.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:25
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I, like you, am insufferably autistic. A side effect of this condition is that I watch a lot of Opens on stream. He's been a pretty regular fixture on that circuit for a while. That's why there was a fair amount of video evidence people could just go back and find.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:27
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AgentSythe posted:A friend and I were talking about this last weekend. With two pretty high-profile players getting caught doing basically the exact same cheat, it makes one wonder how widespread it is. Someone else brought it up a few posts above, but it would be interesting to see if there are any players that are Top 16'ing tournament after tournament. That exceeds the 60-65% win rate of matches you would expect from the very best players. This is purely anecdotal, but you pretty often at the open series see guys that show up often enough (Reid Duke, BBD, Todd Anderson) scrub out pretty often. I'd be interested to see the final finishes of the guys that grind that series but aren't really good enough to hack it on the pro circuit. Any scrub can pull the same cheat that Humphries did with a good day or two of practice. I would be shocked if it isn't fairly widespread. There are lots of unscrupulous assholes who play magic and will do anything to win. Really the only way to catch them is to hope they go all Icarus on us with their cheating, and get underneath the bright feature match cameras, and melt under the heat of nerd scrutiny. Birds of a Feather.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:31
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AgentSythe posted:This is purely anecdotal, but you pretty often at the open series see guys that show up often enough (Reid Duke, BBD, Todd Anderson) scrub out pretty often. I'd be interested to see the final finishes of the guys that grind that series but aren't really good enough to hack it on the pro circuit. I would be beyond amazed if Reid Duke was cheating in any capacity, not because he's a standup guy (though he certainly is), but because he rose to prominence through Magic Online, where it's a good deal harder to pull off sleight of hand 
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Oct 30, 2014 18:36
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I always didn't like Boettcher for some unknown reason. Glad that it was justified.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:39
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Niton posted:I would be beyond amazed if Reid Duke was cheating in any capacity, not because he's a standup guy (though he certainly is), but because he rose to prominence through Magic Online, where it's a good deal harder to pull off sleight of hand There is quite a few people who I would be utterly shocked if they intentionally cheated ever, Reid Duke among them. They discussed this on the last Magic TV I think, but if you are at Pro Level and making a career out of magic, it is a bad idea to try and cheat, the cost of being found out is way to high. However, grinders, like Humphries or Boettcher, trying to claw their way up to that point have a lot more incentive to cheat.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:40
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Niton posted:I would be beyond amazed if Reid Duke was cheating in any capacity, not because he's a standup guy (though he certainly is), but because he rose to prominence through Magic Online, where it's a good deal harder to pull off sleight of hand I agree. He, and the other ones listed, seem (disclaimer: have not actually checked his finishes) to have finishes more consistent with what a pro players win rate would be.
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Oct 30, 2014 18:41
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Hey guys, it's Thursday and that arbitrarily means I'm streaming UR Modern Delver/Cruise! https://www.twitch.tv/tedsternator watch me murder this assshole playing infect which can't even Treasure Cruise, what a dummy!
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Oct 30, 2014 18:42
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Niton posted:I would be beyond amazed if Reid Duke was cheating in any capacity, not because he's a standup guy (though he certainly is), but because he rose to prominence through Magic Online, where it's a good deal harder to pull off sleight of hand
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Oct 30, 2014 18:43
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:One, that was not the point of removing combat damage from the stack. The reason was to add strategic choice. quote:The real complexity is what constitutes lethal when there is protection and prevention effects and banding andshit floating around.
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Madmarker posted:There is quite a few people who I would be utterly shocked if they intentionally cheated ever, Reid Duke among them. They discussed this on the last Magic TV I think, but if you are at Pro Level and making a career out of magic, it is a bad idea to try and cheat, the cost of being found out is way to high. However, grinders, like Humphries or Boettcher, trying to claw their way up to that point have a lot more incentive to cheat. Good point. I also think someone who can write about the game like Reid Duke, LSV, Kibler etc. is in someway demonstrating their success is due to knowledge and skill.
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