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I'm okay with it because then i'd feel safer about watching the show before reading the rest of the books
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Jaime won't die in Dorne cause he's going to kill Cersei.
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Oct 29, 2014 23:23
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Remind me again, when is the Manderly "Frey pies" happening? I've been reading the abridged version of AFFC/ADWD over the last few months and I can't pinpoint anything concrete. The last I read was Theon noticing that Lord Manderly didn't seem to enjoy this meal at Winterfell quite as much as the last one, which was the meat pies at the Winterfell wedding. Inbetween mentioning that a couple of Freys not having returned. Did I just answer my own question? Jaime will choke on a lemon cake.
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Oct 30, 2014 01:02
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Does World of Ice and Fire have illustrations and images in it or is it all text? That'll determine if I get a physical or digital copy.
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Oct 30, 2014 01:08
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Pen Expers posted:illustrations and images. I got a physical copy, it's really nicely put together.
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Oct 30, 2014 01:42
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mng posted:Remind me again, when is the Manderly "Frey pies" happening? I've been reading the abridged version of AFFC/ADWD over the last few months and I can't pinpoint anything concrete. The last I read was Theon noticing that Lord Manderly didn't seem to enjoy this meal at Winterfell quite as much as the last one, which was the meat pies at the Winterfell wedding. Inbetween mentioning that a couple of Freys not having returned. Did I just answer my own question? It's when Davos is in the prison in White Harbour.
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Oct 30, 2014 01:43
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mng posted:Remind me again, when is the Manderly "Frey pies" happening? I've been reading the abridged version of AFFC/ADWD over the last few months and I can't pinpoint anything concrete. The last I read was Theon noticing that Lord Manderly didn't seem to enjoy this meal at Winterfell quite as much as the last one, which was the meat pies at the Winterfell wedding. Inbetween mentioning that a couple of Freys not having returned. Did I just answer my own question? Chapter is The Prince of Winterfell (eating pork pies and asking for the rat cook song). The Frey's get murdered sometime after the Davos chapter and before this one.
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Oct 30, 2014 02:14
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Most of these jokes are pretty lame but at least GRRM looks like he's having fun  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwT9BhS9Cos
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Oct 30, 2014 03:21
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geeves posted:I got a physical copy, it's really nicely put together. Cool, thanks
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Oct 30, 2014 04:23
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I don't know that the whole World of Ice and Fire thing is a bad thing like if GRRM is that productive on Westeros who's saying there aren't pieces he wrote alongside those 300k words?
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Oct 30, 2014 04:55
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Mexcillent posted:I don't know that the whole World of Ice and Fire thing is a bad thing like if GRRM is that productive on Westeros who's saying there aren't pieces he wrote alongside those 300k words? GRRM can be very productive when it comes to working on things other than the one thing people want.
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Oct 30, 2014 06:07
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I heard Lady Stoneheart was cut from the show, is that confirmed?
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Oct 30, 2014 12:03
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mng posted:Remind me again, when is the Manderly "Frey pies" happening? I've been reading the abridged version of AFFC/ADWD over the last few months and I can't pinpoint anything concrete. The last I read was Theon noticing that Lord Manderly didn't seem to enjoy this meal at Winterfell quite as much as the last one, which was the meat pies at the Winterfell wedding. Inbetween mentioning that a couple of Freys not having returned. Did I just answer my own question? Yeah... for all the "Best moment ever" talk it gets it is never explicitly spelled out in the text and is actually just a fan theory. Albeit a compelling one.
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Oct 30, 2014 14:17
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People need to differentiate between fan theories such as Varys is a merman or heck even R + L = J and "Fan Theories" such as Renly is gay, Sandor is alive and Frey pies cause while the latter are never spelled out explicitly GRRM drops a massive number of clues that can hardly be interpreted in any other way. The latter are "connect the dots" while the former are "speculate about the likeliest connections between the dots". Manderley baked the Freys into meat pies, that is unless GRRM is pulling off a massive misdirection by heavily implying an event happened and including details that are otherwise completely irrelevant. I mean it's a possibility that GRRM is going "Oh you thought that Wyman swearing vengeance, 3 Freys disappearing and 3 massive meat pies appearing shortly after were all related to each other? Silly you, it's just a coincidence" but that would entail some next level trolling which I really don't think he's into.
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Oct 30, 2014 14:41
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Then again there's also the Tywin poisoning theory which is supposedly completely accidental in textual support.
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Oct 30, 2014 14:50
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Kurtofan posted:I heard Lady Stoneheart was cut from the show, is that confirmed? They were talking about important stuff like that being cut from the show and Michelle Fairley has said the character is dead, but she could just be teasing. She's also on another show now, but Lady Stoneheart only shows up like two times in total, so that probably shouldn't be a huge barrier. It's not confirmed either way.
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Oct 30, 2014 14:59
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computer parts posted:Then again there's also the Tywin poisoning theory which is supposedly completely accidental in textual support. We only have Elia's word for it being coincidental. And it really isn't made as explicit as the other examples, in this case there's only Oberyn's "Your father might not live forever", the dinner scene and Tywin's corpse stinking more than usual, none of which are that strongly related to one another.
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Oct 30, 2014 15:00
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Well, there's also the part where Pycelle elucidates the nature of Widow's Blood (or whatever the gently caress it's called).
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Oct 30, 2014 15:06
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Sam. posted:What are the chances that Jaime is going to be killed in Dorne? The books are building up to a confrontation between him and Brienne, but without Stoneheart that can't happen. I don't recall them casting anyone for the Kingsguard guy in Dorne (correct me if I'm wrong), so having Jaime killed in his place seems like something that could happen. The last book ended with Jaime going to see someone who has wanted to kill him very badly. I wouldn't be surprised to see him die early in book 6, and since Stoneheart isn't in the TV show they would have to find some other way to get rid of him. Either way would let him have a heroic end where he died doing the honorable thing.
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TOOT BOOT posted:GRRM can be very productive when it comes to working on things other than the one thing people want. I think it's mostly a case of him having all this stuff in his noggin but never really having a place in the ASOIAF series proper to put it down on paper. Most of the stuff he himself wrote was about the Targaryen kings (i.e. The Princess and the Queen), and of the over 200,000 words he wrote about them most of it ended up not getting included in the world book because it would've been way over the initial word count if it was and also it's a book about more than just Targaryen kings. I have yet to really read all of the world book but I skipped towards the end of it and I am totally fascinated by Asshai. It sounds like the most totally hosed up place in the universe and I wonder why anyone even goes there. The Shadow Lands sound even worse, and the way they talk about Stygai you'd think it was literally hell on earth. Like what even is that place, if nobody even dares go there? Hakkesshu posted:They were talking about important stuff like that being cut from the show and Michelle Fairley has said the character is dead, but she could just be teasing. She's also on another show now, but Lady Stoneheart only shows up like two times in total, so that probably shouldn't be a huge barrier. It's not confirmed either way. Yeah, she only shows up two times total but that's because she didn't need to before now. There are still books to come. I mean, the Three-eyed Crow has only been in like two scenes but nobody doubts his vital importance to the plot, even the showrunners. Brienne is likely in Lady Stoneheart's employ at this point, and Brienne is as main as main characters get in the book so some Stoneheart poo poo is definitely gonna come to a head in TWoW. But I mean, if the show can totally excise the Ironborn plot and cut Victarion and Euron then they're definitely capable of cutting Stoneheart, even doubly so if Jaime never goes to the Riverlands. ClearAirTurbulence posted:The last book ended with Jaime going to see someone who has wanted to kill him very badly. I wouldn't be surprised to see him die early in book 6, and since Stoneheart isn't in the TV show they would have to find some other way to get rid of him. Either way would let him have a heroic end where he died doing the honorable thing. I'm not so sure that he's gonna die. He may well die but I don't think it's inevitable. I think that Jaime and Brienne are in many ways parallel characters traveling in different directions. Jaime started out as a total simebag who didn't give a poo poo about any oaths because they're all bullshit, but after meeting Brienne has started to take them much more seriously (hence him being resolved to solving the problems at Riverrun without spilling Stark or Tully blood) whereas Brienne, after meeting Jaime, has started questioning whether it's even possible to fulfill all of your oaths. I wouldn't be surprised if, after taking Jaime back to the Brotherhood, would be all "gently caress your oaths I'm not gonna let this innocent man be killed". edit: "innocent" in so far as having any hand in the Red Wedding, I mean.
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Oct 30, 2014 20:49
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Apparently several cast members (including Nicolai Coster-Waldau) have signed or are negotiating season 7 right now. The wording in the articles are a little shaky so it could just be hearsay, but I would guess that means Jaime isn't dying in Dorne, at least not this season. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/game-thrones-cast-signs-season-744314
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Oct 30, 2014 20:57
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ClearAirTurbulence posted:The last book ended with Jaime going to see someone who has wanted to kill him very badly. I wouldn't be surprised to see him die early in book 6, and since Stoneheart isn't in the TV show they would have to find some other way to get rid of him. Either way would let him have a heroic end where he died doing the honorable thing. If he died in Dorne, its true that Jaime would still have his hero's journey, but we'd lose that little bit in the Riverlands where he unconsciously assumes the role of Lord of Casterly Rock when dealing with the squabbling Lannisters. Its a nice little lesson that "you don't have to be your father to be your father's heir" that'd be a shame to lose in the transition to television.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:05
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Well, I guess we know all those characters make it to the end of the story and that Jon Snow isn't really dead.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:07
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Mischitary posted:I'm not so sure that he's gonna die. He may well die but I don't think it's inevitable. I think that Jaime and Brienne are in many ways parallel characters traveling in different directions. Jaime started out as a total simebag who didn't give a poo poo about any oaths because they're all bullshit, but after meeting Brienne has started to take them much more seriously (hence him being resolved to solving the problems at Riverrun without spilling Stark or Tully blood) whereas Brienne, after meeting Jaime, has started questioning whether it's even possible to fulfill all of your oaths. I wouldn't be surprised if, after taking Jaime back to the Brotherhood, would be all "gently caress your oaths I'm not gonna let this innocent man be killed". I think he'll die towards the end. You're right in that Jaime and Brienne have opposing arcs, so I'd guess that their ultimate fates will reflect that. Jaime will die fulfilling an oath (probably by killing Cersei), while Brienne will die for breaking an oath.
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TOOT BOOT posted:Well, I guess we know all those characters make it to the end of the story and that Jon Snow isn't really dead. lol if you thought there was any chance Jon Snow was really dead
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Oct 31, 2014 01:44
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Jesus, Season 7 will be bloody as gently caress with character deaths if that's true.
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Oct 31, 2014 01:48
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Mischitary posted:
I kinda wanna hear more about these, Essos is just a much more interesting locale than Westeros.
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webmeister posted:I think he'll die towards the end. You're right in that Jaime and Brienne have opposing arcs, so I'd guess that their ultimate fates will reflect that. Jaime will die fulfilling an oath (probably by killing Cersei), while Brienne will die for breaking an oath. More opposite. Jaime will die for an oath, Brienne will survive by breaking one.
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Oct 31, 2014 02:35
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BillBear posted:Jesus, Season 7 will be bloody as gently caress with character deaths if that's true. quote:Of course, when an actor signs on for seven seasons of Game of Thrones it doesn't mean his or her character will live that long. Thrones is notorious for killing off characters, and Martin is still finishing the book series on which the show is based, which means the stars could lose their jobs — and their new paychecks — before a seventh season. As for Jaime, it's pretty obvious that with Brienne and Jaime, Martin is writing his version of a 'courtly' romance, isn't it? It's even a goddamn love triangle. Remember, Martin self-defines as a romantic, and states that the ending will be bittersweet. So, knowing that, we can assume that they will all die gruesomely, obviously, because that's par for the course for the source material - think how Tristan and Iseult ended up, or Siegfried, Gudrun and Brynnhildr - but that the song of the Kingslayer and the Maid of Tarth, and the porn fanfic thereof, will be for the ages. Dying without seeing each other again wouldn't cut it. The show accelerated the romance. Still, I think that also Jaime on the show won't die until he gets to meet Brienne again.
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computer parts posted:Then again there's also the Tywin poisoning theory which is supposedly completely accidental in textual support. Never trust anything that this emotionally damaged woman says, her opinion is actually worth less than nothing. It blows my mind that many fans seem to assume that her (literal) opinions on book matter or theory are just as good as GRRM's, as if she has any actual insight.
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Oct 31, 2014 11:49
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I've heard a lot about Linda's psycho behavior but haven't seen anything first hand. Is there a link to something that demonstrates this? I'm in no way doubting it's a thing, I just enjoy reading about insane diatribes.
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lifts cats over head posted:Apparently several cast members (including Nicolai Coster-Waldau) have signed or are negotiating season 7 right now. The wording in the articles are a little shaky so it could just be hearsay, but I would guess that means Jaime isn't dying in Dorne, at least not this season. I don't usually put much weight into contract signings like that. Robb's actor was signed through season 5 or something. 
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I don't have anything on hand, but from what I remember I wouldn't describe her as "psycho", just weird and unbalanced. I guess if you consider her being a human Wikipedia of ASOIAF for GRRM that could be considered extremely weird 
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Oct 31, 2014 12:35
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What happened with Robb's body again?
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Oct 31, 2014 12:36
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Professor Shark posted:What happened with Robb's body again? It's presumably been buried somewhere, wolf's head attached. The Freys are shits, but they wouldn't leave a corpse stinking the place up and they have Robb's head conveniently separated if they want to send something to King's Landing to prove they killed him.
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Jedit posted:It's presumably been buried somewhere, wolf's head attached. The Freys are shits, but they wouldn't leave a corpse stinking the place up and they have Robb's head conveniently separated if they want to send something to King's Landing to prove they killed him. Joff did say he wanted to serve the head to Sansa.
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Professor Shark posted:I don't have anything on hand, but from what I remember I wouldn't describe her as "psycho", just weird and unbalanced. I guess if you consider her being a human Wikipedia of ASOIAF for GRRM that could be considered extremely weird She's had some pretty amazing Twitter meltdowns over changes made to the show, including the House of the Undying in season 2 and having an ethnic-y looking Oberyn. It's also well known that she refuses to read the Red Wedding chapter.
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Oct 31, 2014 18:49
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According to Elio, she has since read the Red Wedding.
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Oct 31, 2014 19:56
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Linda's show meltdowns are eye-roll inducing, but Elio seem like a decent enough guy from what I've heard of him on A Podcast of Ice and Fire.
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