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Did you hear that initial reports are citing a build-up of dihydrogen monoxide vapour as the cause of the explosion?
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Oct 29, 2014 16:41
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Dad used to be a fuel handler for Titan II ICBMs and the second stage of that rocket uses the same fuel and oxidizer. If exposed to the air, the oxidizer would become red fuming nitric acid (or, as they called it at the missile sites, BFRC for Big loving Red Cloud), which could melt your lungs. He posted a warning to his friends in the area to watch out for BFRC.
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Oct 29, 2014 18:56
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Sjurygg posted:Yes, nitrogen when mixed with oxygen at a ratio of 79-21 is extremely volatile.
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Oct 29, 2014 19:02
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Godholio posted:Is Hornet Ball the new Fighter Fling? Yup.
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Oct 29, 2014 19:16
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McNally posted:Dad used to be a fuel handler for Titan II ICBMs and the second stage of that rocket uses the same fuel and oxidizer. Second stage of what rocket, the Antares? The Antares doesn't use RFNA on any stage, the first stage is regular old kerosene/LOX and the second stage is a solid rocket.
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Oct 29, 2014 19:45
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Dark Helmut posted:Supposedly there was some big nitrogen tank on board. Am I wrong or is that why the explosion was so huge? Serious answer after all the razzing, gaseous nitrogen (N2) is extremely stable and unreactive, as it has a triple bond between the two individual atoms. Triple bonds are extremely difficult (read: take a lot of energy input) to break apart so nitrogen can be put into other compounds. Those compounds are notoriously unstable because of said input energy, it's still part of the atom by dint of the triple bond not existing. When those compounds decompose and the nitrogen atoms re-form that triple bond, all that energy that was put in to break it is released at once. See for example this blog post on a compound containing 6 Nitrogen atoms per molecule. A highlight: quote:...Making something like this that can actually be handled and stored is a real accomplishment.
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Oct 29, 2014 21:28
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vulturesrow posted:Yup. Ugh. I can imagine the F-14 guys' eye rolls.
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Oct 29, 2014 23:05
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The Beeb has a Cold War twofer: 1) Lots of intercepts going on. Russian Bear diplomacy continues; it's not every day Portugal has to scramble fighter jets. 2) People are accusing France of shenanigans with delivery of those assault ships. According to the report, France's president will decide "at the moment of hand-over" weather or not the ship will in fact be handed over. Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Oct 30, 2014 |
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Oct 29, 2014 23:30
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Lease them to Canada you French dicks
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Oct 29, 2014 23:32
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priznat posted:Lease them to Quebec you French dicks
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Oct 30, 2014 00:16
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Uh no they'll just use them for daycares and selling smokes.
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Oct 30, 2014 00:17
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Phanatic posted:Second stage of what rocket, the Antares? The Antares doesn't use RFNA on any stage, the first stage is regular old kerosene/LOX and the second stage is a solid rocket. Probably thinking of the third stage which uses dinitrogen tetroxide (a component of RFNA) and hydrazine as propellants. The latter is all sorts of toxic and corrosive. darnon fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Oct 30, 2014 |
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Oct 30, 2014 00:18
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Cardiac posted:Probably something we should pick up again since apparently MiG-31s have been spotted in the Baltic last week according to a Swedish military blogger. Probably not as big of an issue nowadays seeing as Sweden has AMRAAMs, which I'd imagine would make interception of high-speed targets a hell of a lot easier than it was back in the 60s-80s.
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Oct 30, 2014 00:27
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The Meteor is slated to enter service in 2015 too, that should make it even easier. If it works, that is. New and untried tech is scary.
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Oct 30, 2014 00:36
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priznat posted:Lease them to Canada you French dicks France does this, then Canada buys F-35Bs 
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Oct 30, 2014 00:50
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TheFluff posted:The Meteor is slated to enter service in 2015 too, that should make it even easier. If it works, that is. New and untried tech is scary. I know the Royal Air Force is falling apart and regressive, but this is ridiculous. 
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Oct 30, 2014 00:58
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Mortabis posted:France does this, then Canada buys F-35Bs Well not like you can launch Rafales off it!
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Oct 30, 2014 01:08
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Back Hack posted:I know the Royal Air Force is falling apart and regressive, but this is ridiculous. I'm not sure if I follow? Did I make a dumb?
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Oct 30, 2014 01:22
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Gloster Meteor.
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Sperglord Actual posted:Gloster Meteor. oh another joke passing 70,000 ft over my head  (for the record in case someone was actually confused: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_%28missile%29)
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Oct 30, 2014 01:29
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darnon posted:Probably thinking of the third stage which uses dinitrogen tetroxide (a component of RFNA) and hydrazine as propellants. The latter is all sorts of toxic and corrosive. Dad must have misspoke when he said second. Yeah, dinitrogen tetroxide is pretty nasty stuff that was used as the oxidizer in Titan IIs and turned into a BFRC it got out.
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Oct 30, 2014 05:19
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darnon posted:Probably thinking of the third stage which uses dinitrogen tetroxide (a component of RFNA) and hydrazine as propellants. The latter is all sorts of toxic and corrosive. What third stage? Neither Titan II or Antares have one. Antares is nothing like a storable-liquid-fuel ICBM. Titan II: First stage: hydrazine/UDMH/dinitrogen tetroxide. Second stage: hydrazine/dinitrogen tetroxide. Antares: First stage: kerosene/LOX Second stage: solid fuel (aluminum/binder/oxidizer).
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Oct 30, 2014 10:42
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Probably not as big of an issue nowadays seeing as Sweden has AMRAAMs, which I'd imagine would make interception of high-speed targets a hell of a lot easier than it was back in the 60s-80s. Yeah it goes from needing a double bullseye to the green bullseye. The 3d geometry is the same, but you have a few extra seconds to get it sorted.
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Oct 30, 2014 14:02
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Phanatic posted:What third stage? Neither Titan II or Antares have one. Antares is nothing like a storable-liquid-fuel ICBM. Well, technically the payload (Cygnus, in the recent case) or trans-stage.
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Oct 30, 2014 17:36
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Fucknag posted:Serious answer after all the razzing, gaseous nitrogen (N2) is extremely stable and unreactive, as it has a triple bond between the two individual atoms. Triple bonds are extremely difficult (read: take a lot of energy input) to break apart so nitrogen can be put into other compounds. Those compounds are notoriously unstable because of said input energy, it's still part of the atom by dint of the triple bond not existing. When those compounds decompose and the nitrogen atoms re-form that triple bond, all that energy that was put in to break it is released at once. Thanks for explaining this. Chemistry is my worst subject (AFAIK) and I never understood why stable, boring nitrogen was found in so many things that explode. Dumb question: I remember from high school nitrogen has a triple bond. Could you (in theory) make even better explosives out of something with a quadruple bond, like silicon or carbon?
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Oct 30, 2014 20:37
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Carbon doesn't form quadruple bonds, as far as I'm aware.
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Oct 30, 2014 22:06
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(throws away bags of charcoal and sand he'd been saving)
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Dead Reckoning posted:Carbon doesn't form quadruple bonds, as far as I'm aware. Is there anything that does? My knowledge of chemistry is also basically high school level (though I did enjoy it) but I don't remember any compounds that had them.
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Oct 31, 2014 05:33
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I think some metals do.
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Oct 31, 2014 06:17
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Mortabis posted:I think some metals do. Unless you're talking about something real weird, I don't think they make that many covalent bonds, which is what we're really talking about.
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Oct 31, 2014 06:22
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Fair enough. From my limited recollection of high school chemistry, that sounds implausible simply because electrons, as with all like-charged particles, will tend to repel each other and squishing eight into the same area isn't too likely.
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Oct 31, 2014 06:31
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No you cannot get 4 bonds to another atom with carbon/silicon due to how the electron orbitals are arranged.
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Oct 31, 2014 12:08
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It's early cold war stuff so I figure this might be a good place to ask: does anybody know of any good books or articles on the Forest Brothers in the Baltics?
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Oct 31, 2014 21:21
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I don't know of any books in english, but there are some in swedish at least including the memoirs of one of the lithuanian organizers. Obvious advice ofc, have you checked the wiki further reading section? E: then there's this http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3633160/ ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Oct 31, 2014 |
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Oct 31, 2014 22:02
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Rough week in the private space industry. Virgin Galactic Space Ship Two had a crash. One fatality, one injured at present.
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Oct 31, 2014 22:06
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Alaan posted:Rough week in the private space industry. Virgin Galactic Space Ship Two had a crash. One fatality, one injured at present. You mean for NASA  
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Oct 31, 2014 22:59
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mlmp08 posted:You mean for NASA Ah Fox News 
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Totally TWISTED posted:Ah Fox News "Just more of your TAX DOLLARS down the toi... *pauses to listen to the EP in the earpiece* ...so evidently it was a rocket owned by Orbital Sciences, a private corporate person who was *failed* by the ineptitude of big government. None of this would've happened if the rocket was launched from a facility that didn't have to kowtow to intrusive profit-sapping safety regulations!" (just to forestall any hurf blurf, it should be noted that the only 'big gubbermint' aspect of this launch was that it was launched at a NASA facility - everything else was in private hands) Fun fact: Orbital's main HQ building is on a specially-named road:  And speaking of rockets that (thankfully) never had to be used but are awesome as gently caress: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_%28missile%29 "The Sprint accelerated at 100 g, reaching a speed of Mach 10 in 5 seconds." BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Nov 1, 2014 |
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:I don't know of any books in english, but there are some in swedish at least including the memoirs of one of the lithuanian organizers. Thanks, turns out that memoir was translated into English earlier this year. I expect it'll be interesting if depressing.
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