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mfcrocker posted:well yeah, no point invading my privacy for a job that doesn't need it (especially when there's no criminal record) The old extended CRB certificate used to have a section for your local plod to make comments about you even if you'd never been arrested, let alone charged or convicted. The worst thing though was that plod could attach notes about you that your employer wasn't allowed to disclose to you, ostensibly to protect ongoing investigations and surveillance but I can't help but think it was used to gently caress over people that plod didn't like. I'll have to check my DBS certificate, but I think they've done away with that and simply list spent and unspent convictions. My certificate is one of the super extended ones that also lists whether I've been put on a register or not (the old list 99 for example, and no I haven't).
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Seaside Loafer posted:Cautions are poo poo, show up on a CRB check until you are 100 years old. I have one for possesion of an offensive weapon which was bullshit but I just wanted to get out of the nick and was befuddled. Its led to a few interesting conversations with employers and of course just being ditched the moment anything comes up. You may well be OK not to mention it: http://hub.unlock.org.uk/knowledgebase/filtering-cautions-convictions/
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Mister Adequate posted:The same way every other country of comparable size/population/resources does? Which countries would these be? Which countries would Wales with its massive long term unemployment problems and heavy reliance on support from the rest of the UK plausibly seek to emulate?
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HortonNash posted:The old extended CRB certificate used to have a section for your local plod to make comments about you even if you'd never been arrested, let alone charged or convicted. The worst thing though was that plod could attach notes about you that your employer wasn't allowed to disclose to you, ostensibly to protect ongoing investigations and surveillance but I can't help but think it was used to gently caress over people that plod didn't like. Hah, well I've passed stronger poo poo than a CRB before 
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Coohoolin posted:Am I the only person who routinely sees people posting RT videos about the indyref on facebook? Or the only person who's frequently told by people that they watch RT to get a different perspective? Sure, it's not like anything else on tv levels of popularity, but it's part of the discourse. At the risk of stating the obvious, you realise that Russia has a vested interest in splitting the UK? It hasn't abandoned its strong beliefs about territorial integrity and state sovereignty because it has taken the plight of the opressed Scots to heart. If Scotland were part of Russia, RT would be singing a very different tune. In other news, RIPA requests double under the Coalition. Bastards. Prince John fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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TinTower posted:Tommorow's Mail on Sunday front page is a perfect example of why you shouldn't make t-shirt slogans the be all and end all of social justice. I get a little hosed off with direct wage comparisons like this. I'm not saying there's no problem with poverty in overseas production for the west, but a direct comparison fails to take into account, among other things, taxes, allowances, insurance, brnefits and cost of living, etc. Account for all those and you might be talking a real equivilent of £5.50 an hour for all you know. You can't just do a currency conversion and be done with it.
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EvilGenius posted:I get a little hosed off with direct wage comparisons like this. I'm not saying there's no problem with poverty in overseas production for the west, but a direct comparison fails to take into account, among other things, taxes, allowances, insurance, brnefits and cost of living, etc. Account for all those and you might be talking a real equivilent of £5.50 an hour for all you know. You can't just do a currency conversion and be done with it. After poking around a bit on this site and XE.com, I found that the median wage on Mauritius was about 30000 MUR a month; assuming 28 working days and a 9 hour shift (lol) that would work out at £2.37/hr. The lowest wage category, of 9000 MUR a month ('purchasing and inventory'), would work out at £0.71 an hour. If we assume a 30 day working month and a 12 hour day, the wage for that category works out at £0.50/hr. I don't know what criteria that first site used, but 62p an hour sounds fairly typical for low level manufacturing work on Mauritius, especially if you assume a labour intensive work pattern. It's still a bit stupid for leading political figures not to have had this sort of thing checked out, but I don't think anyone's really accepting the Mail is acting in good faith here. Kegluneq fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Why is that something that would come up in a medical education specifically? Extended CRB and jobs are extremely competitive some places. It was part of a couple of "welcome to London: here's how to stay safe" lectures
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Mister Adequate posted:Vote SNP, Plaid, and... do any parties in Norn Iron propose an independent Ulster? Found one and vote for them. Also Cornwall, Northumberland, Mercia, etc etc gently caress London and the Southeast. That's independent Norn Iron not Ulster, Ulster as I'm sure you know is nine counties not six, that always hosed me off a bit the way the unionist parties always referred to NI as Ulster. Also I'm sure you weren't being serious but an independent NI would really struggle economically, hell it would probably be a massive burden on the South which is one of the many reasons we will never see a united Ireland. On a NI note somehow only saw this old Harry Enfield sketch for the first time last night really cracked me up http://youtu.be/wxpYW_w5pgo Edit: I've seen certain cashier jobs that require CRBs and credit checks, its normally for things like Cash Converters or the Money Shop were they're seriously paranoid about staff scamming.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:Extended CRB and jobs are extremely competitive some places. It was part of a couple of "welcome to London: here's how to stay safe" lectures
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Coohoolin posted:Am I the only person who routinely sees people posting RT videos about the indyref on facebook? Or the only person who's frequently told by people that they watch RT to get a different perspective? Sure, it's not like anything else on tv levels of popularity, but it's part of the discourse. I highly doubt its representative of Scotland as a whole. I would take your anecdotes with a salt quarry since you have stated multiple times that you only associate with people that share your own political view point.
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Obliterati posted:I don't know what's more surprising: the Daily Mail attacking low pay or defending foreigners. This is what the Mail does. It will suddenly become feminist if it gives them a chance to bash Muslims; then it will momentarily care about exploited workers and wage slavery to bash feminists. If you're not white, middle class and from the south of England, the Mail will find a way to hate you – even if it has to trip over itself to do so.
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Coohoolin posted:Am I the only person who routinely sees people posting RT videos about the indyref on facebook? Or the only person who's frequently told by people that they watch RT to get a different perspective? Sure, it's not like anything else on tv levels of popularity, but it's part of the discourse. Yes, you are indeed the only member of the SSP in this thread.
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Answers Me posted:This is what the Mail does. It will suddenly become feminist if it gives them a chance to bash Muslims; then it will momentarily care about exploited workers and wage slavery to bash feminists. I don't even think that makes you safe now. The Mail has systematically shat on every perceivable profession by now. There's nothing you can do to not be hated by them.
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The criticism of low pay for garment manufacture is valid in a vacuum but we all know that if it was made in the UK at double the minimum wage the Mail would be mocking Miliband for wearing a boutique champagne socialist t-shirt normal people couldn't afford. Similarly consumerism needs tremendous critique but the only time it has ever received any from the mainstream was when it could be used to attack members of occupy for having phones. To live in a developed nation is to commit or benefit from exploitation every day. Thus anyone trying to make any kind of progress is open to criticism. Those who wish to make things even worse are however mostly given a free pass or even praised for that exploitation. Philip Green isn't going to get criticised for his innovative ways of keeping costs down for the consumer at Top Shop for instance: http://www.labourbehindthelabel.org/jobs/item/901-uksweatshop ReV VAdAUL fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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David Cameron really hates taxes: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4252005.ece The TL,DR is "a flat tax cut for everyone earning between £12.5k and £100k is progressive, the state is an oppressive bloated leviathan whose spending is intrinsically illegitimate, and when the government spends money it simply disappears into a vacuum with no benefit to anybody. Vote Conservative!" quote:Conservatives are committed to cutting your taxes. We know the economic case for cutting taxes: in a competitive world we cannot afford to carry on as a bloated, high-taxing, welfare-heavy nation. We have to direct our resources to incentivising work through tax cuts and not incentivising welfare through extra benefit entitlements. We have to fight the notion that you can endlessly suck more taxes out of businesses and bite the hand that feeds. Conservatives understand the progressive case for tax cuts too. Historically there have been all sorts of mechanisms that governments have developed to help people to enjoy a higher standard of living, from fixed prices to complicated benefit schemes. I especially like the bit where he paints a tax cut that does absolutely nothing for the bottom 10% of earners (and the majority of those in poverty) as "the most progressive poverty-attacking tax change in history."
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LemonDrizzle posted:
That's akin to the "national credit card"/"UK budget is the same as a household budget" bullshit, isn't it?
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LemonDrizzle posted:David Cameron really hates taxes: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4252005.ece While I appreciate an income tax cut I would much rather have a VAT cut. Or both 
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Seaside Loafer posted:The link knox_harrington posted above shows the rules changed in 2013. Basically if its nothing really bad and 6 years or older it wont come up anymore. My weapons caution was in 2007'ish so im probably cool to just tick the nothing boxes. Thats good to know. Still think 6 years is a bit brutal though. Really should grade them in some way. Well this was 8 years ago.
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HortonNash posted:
Yes and it's also flat out wrong on the face of it rather than being hidden behind a crap metaphor. Malcolm XML posted:While I appreciate an income tax cut I would much rather have a VAT cut. Or both Yup, income tax cuts like this are just ways of letting millionaires pay less tax with a populist cover; lower VAT, cover it with higher band taxation on capital gains and high end income.
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TinTower posted:Tommorow's Mail on Sunday front page is a perfect example of why you shouldn't make t-shirt slogans the be all and end all of social justice. The article gives the workers a salary of 6000 MUR, which is the minimum wage there. Just like how the Mail always complains about how low the UK min wage is...
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No matter how big a tax cut is it's never going to help people who don't pay tax and raising the personal allowance is more progressive then say a reduction in rates. An extra £250 a year means a lot more to those on the lower end of incomes then it does a millionaire. I'd much rather a heavy reduction in VAT though.
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Seaside Loafer posted:The link knox_harrington posted above shows the rules changed in 2013. Basically if its nothing really bad and 6 years or older it wont come up anymore. My weapons caution was in 2007'ish so im probably cool to just tick the nothing boxes. Thats good to know. Still think 6 years is a bit brutal though. Really should grade them in some way. Carrying an offensive weapon is about as high up the grades you could go for getting a police caution though. Its hardly possession of a bit of weed is it?
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serious gaylord posted:Carrying an offensive weapon is about as high up the grades you could go for getting a police caution though. Its hardly possession of a bit of weed is it? The issue with cautions is that the police don't need as much evidence as CPS would. Say you've got scissors on you. If the police really fancied it, they could call that an offensive weapon. They'd be able to issue a caution. If you refuse, CPS will tell them to stop wasting their loving time if they can't demonstrate proper intent to injure. If you accept, tough poo poo hope you don't need to work with kids lol, crime stats have been improved. Now I don't know of any specifics regarding police attempting to claim scissors are weapons, I'm making the point from being well versed in my local police' use of bullshit cautions against whoever they can cow into falling for it.
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serious gaylord posted:Its hardly possession of a bit of weed is it? A cool thing the police like to do for stuff like this with kids is tell them if they ask for a lawyer they won't be granted bail and it'd be far easier if they just accept a caution instead
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There was a fair bit of criticism for Miliband and Harman for wearing a £45 t-shirt when the Fawcett Society have been selling them for £15 for years: My guess is that this wouldn't be an issue for the Mail at all if Harman hadn't chosen to make a party-political stunt out of it at PMQs on Wednesday. It was a bad idea anyway, as it betrayed her thirty-year career in Parliament fighting for the rights of (some) women. It was obvious this was going to happen, but the commentariat don't like being told they're wrong. That's what's killing feminism in the UK: the fact that some upper middle class journalists are too busy feeding their egos instead of actually properly writing about stuff that harms a lot of women. 
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Jedit posted:Yes, you are indeed the only member of the SSP in this thread. It's always Nats I see posting them, never SSP to judge by my facebook and twitter.
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Spangly A posted:The issue with cautions is that the police don't need as much evidence as CPS would. Say you've got scissors on you. If the police really fancied it, they could call that an offensive weapon. They'd be able to issue a caution. If you refuse, CPS will tell them to stop wasting their loving time if they can't demonstrate proper intent to injure. If you accept, tough poo poo hope you don't need to work with kids lol, crime stats have been improved. Well actually what Police class as offensive weapons is actually pretty well laid out here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/33/part/XI/crossheading/articles-with-blades-or-points-and-offensive-weapons The only chance of vagueness is possible in quote:those not so made or adapted, but carried with the intention of causing injury to the person. Which covers things like cricket/baseball bats when clearly not being used to play sport and other pointy things like screwdrivers. Kitchen Scissors would be classed in this since they can actually kill people pretty easily and you would need a pretty good explanation for why you have a pair of kitchen scissors in your pocket when you're just walking around town. They're not going to try and give you a caution if you've got a tiny pair in your sewing kit, or you've got them boxed up with your other things that give a reasonable reason to have them. With all of the cases of kids getting stabbed with makeshift weapons around the UK, the CPS are not going to tell the police to gently caress off if the police collar someone carrying them in their pocket in a gang of lads.
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serious gaylord posted:Well actually what Police class as offensive weapons is actually pretty well laid out here: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/33/part/XI/crossheading/articles-with-blades-or-points-and-offensive-weapons Right, I'm talking about what CPS do, and what the police do. CPS and prosecution guidelines are to always ignore #1 because it's so easy and focus on intent to harm, as stated here serious gaylord posted:the CPS are not going to tell the police to gently caress off if the police collar someone carrying them in their pocket in a gang of lads. I'm not clear on what seaside was doing with them and nor do I care. If you'd like I can link you to the police using cautions as a reprimand for a child throwing a sandwich? does this help? The police use cautions to boost filed case statistics, this is a fact that is not up for debate. While they certainly have more of a reputation for cannabis cautions and general ridiculous poo poo like classifying eggs as weapons for the purpose of citing anti-social behaviour, I'd not rule out them spotting an opportunity to caution and running with it. CPS would absolutely tell them not to bother with anything that doesn't have witnesses, and for this I can only offer being flatly told this by police officers thursday when I was present as informal legal advice. Spangly A fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Conservatives are committed to cutting your taxes. We know the economic case for cutting taxes: in a competitive world we cannot afford to carry on as a bloated, high-taxing, welfare-heavy nation. We have to direct our resources to incentivising work through tax cuts and not incentivising welfare through extra benefit entitlements. We have to fight the notion that you can endlessly suck more taxes out of businesses and bite the hand that feeds. Conservatives understand the progressive case for tax cuts too. The party that pledged to intentionally run a surplus, everybody! Can't wait til they're called out on it!
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Spangly A posted:Right, I'm talking about what CPS do, and what the police do. CPS and prosecution guidelines are to always ignore #1 because it's so easy and focus on intent to harm, as stated here I'm just going off what my aunt, head of CPS for a region in England, has told me. The CPS have been instructed to prosecute cases of carrying offensive weapons very vigorously.
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serious gaylord posted:I'm just going off what my aunt, head of CPS for a region in England, has told me. The CPS have been instructed to prosecute cases of carrying offensive weapons very vigorously. They're very busy people and without witnesses or injury they're generally pretty limited. Case type #1 is obviously a huge priority but I'd guess it's not relevant, it's pretty hard to carry a built-for-purpose weapon and complain it's bullshit, so I'd take a guess at chef gear or something. It's all detracting from the point that there is a pretty big problem with cautions having an impact on job prospect when they aren't controlled well, and even the met complains about kent and essex overusing them.
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TinTower posted:There was a fair bit of criticism for Miliband and Harman for wearing a £45 t-shirt when the Fawcett Society have been selling them for £15 for years: What we need is some kind of castle for women.
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Very nasty. Poor kid. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29870960
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Jippa posted:Very nasty. Poor kid. With this and other attacks by Muslim extremists around the world plus the massive sex abuse cases involving Pakistani men I wouldn't be surprised if we see another set of riots like the ones in Bradford.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:No matter how big a tax cut is it's never going to help people who don't pay tax and raising the personal allowance is more progressive then say a reduction in rates.
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:With this and other attacks by Muslim extremists around the world plus the massive sex abuse cases involving Pakistani men I wouldn't be surprised if we see another set of riots like the ones in Bradford. Why do you think the assailant was Muslim? When did 'black or Asian' suddenly become to mean Muslim? That they believe he was drunk is surely suggestive that it wasn't a Muslim who did this?
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Jippa posted:Very nasty. Poor kid. what the gently caress? I hope the kid recovers. What the gently caress would make someone do that to a child?
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LemonDrizzle posted:An £250/year tax saving is worthless if it's accompanied by the loss of £500 in funding for services that you rely on. It's also impossible by definition for an increase in the personal allowance to be a "progressive" tax cut because it necessarily excludes the lowest earners. Right but I said it was more progressive then say taking 1% off each band. You literally can't cut income tax for people who don't pay it in the first place which is why I said I'd prefer cuts to VAT which is disproportionately paid by the poor.
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