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evenworse username posted:Given that he seems to be able to accelerate more or less instantly I just assume he stops for a split second, grabs the person, and starts up again. Even in the comics, all the way back to the 1950's, the Flash's powers were essentially magic. They've dressed it up a bit from time to time but it essentially comes down to magic. Effects of speed seem to turn themselves on and off as required by plot. You just have to go, "Okay, is it working kind of consistently for this episode/issue? Then it's good enough." And we haven't even brought up the vibrating yet. 
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That Justice League Unlimited scene would have been amazing if they'd actually had the guts to kill off Wally and have him stay killed, instead of just instantly undoing it.
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Nov 2, 2014 21:39
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Phylodox posted:That Justice League Unlimited scene would have been amazing if they'd actually had the guts to kill off Wally and have him stay killed, instead of just instantly undoing it. Or at the very least have him drop out of the Speed Force the following season to save the day.
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Nov 2, 2014 21:40
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I don't think they knew they had another season at that point. Which is all the more reason to go for broke with Flash's heroic sacrifice.
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Nov 2, 2014 21:42
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Phylodox posted:I don't think they knew they had another season at that point. They wern't 100% but it was looking pretty likely.
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Nov 2, 2014 21:45
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 I apologize for the derail but I wanted to share my experience yesterday meeting John Wesley Shipp at the Rhode Island Comic-Con yesterday. He was a super nice guy, and genuinely seemed to enjoy playing the Flash. They had joked with me that the comic I had signed was an introduction of Wally as the Flash and not Barry, but it was a cool experience nonetheless. Big fan of the show so far, I thought the train wreck sequence in the last episode was the best superhero sequence I've seen on TV in quite some time. The show is turning me into a Flash fan!
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Nov 2, 2014 22:07
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So doesn't he eventually reach almost the speed of light?
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Fragmented posted:So doesn't he eventually reach almost the speed of light? He travels through time; I'd say he goes past it by quite a margin.
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Nov 2, 2014 22:34
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Light is low level speed for the Flash. There's like 4 levels above it he reaches.
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Aphrodite posted:Light is low level speed for the Flash. He went plaid once, but nobody likes to talk about it.
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Nov 2, 2014 23:50
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Drifter posted:He went plaid once, but nobody likes to talk about it. That's ludicrous!
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Nov 3, 2014 00:05
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Okay, just watched all 4 episodes and The Flash rocks. Arrow is decent enough to have on in the background while I'm doing something else, but Flash is a legit good tv program. Also in Flash comic talk, usually he can't go at the speed of light because that's when he and other speedsters will get drawn into the Speed Force. Occasionally though that will go flying out the window for whatever reason and he'll run even faster. I believe one time he raced across from one side of the galaxy or universe to the other and he beat his opponent who was teleporting to travel the distance basically instantly This might have changed in the last few years as I haven't read any Flash comics since Barry Allen came back (comic Barry Allen is boring as heck).
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Nov 3, 2014 00:14
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He did do that once but that was slightly before they invented speed force and was combining his powers with New God technology. Superman used to have a stated speed of 10000x the speed of light, and if he wanted to see something that happened 50 years ago, would just fly 50 light years out, then look back at earth with telescopic vision.
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greatn posted:Superman used to have a stated speed of 10000x the speed of light, and if he wanted to see something that happened 50 years ago, would just fly 50 light years out, then look back at earth with telescopic vision. That's so dumb. 
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nutranurse posted:That's so dumb. That's Hammertime physics, man.
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I've also hated stories where Superman is just as fast as the Flash. Superman should be more jack-of-all-trades instead of THE MOST POWERFUL GUY AT EVERYTHING EVER that some writers try to push. Smallville got a lot wrong, but the idea that even an adolescent Flash could easily outpace Superman is one of my favorite moments. Also, I've finally started to read Mark Waid's run on the flash and it holds up surprisingly well. Its kinda goofy in that great superheroey way, but there's a definite connection between how enthusiastic Wally is to the tv show's version. I've also started to read Starman, and had no idea the mist shows up in that too. Good times.
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Narcissus1916 posted:I've also hated stories where Superman is just as fast as the Flash. Superman should be more jack-of-all-trades instead of THE MOST POWERFUL GUY AT EVERYTHING EVER that some writers try to push. There's a moment in one of the comics where Superman is running alongside Flash and they have a conversation that goes something like this: Flash: "You can't stop me." Superman: "I've raced you before, Barry. I even won some of those races." Flash: "Those races were for charity, Clark." And then Flash pours on the speed and is just gone. One of my favorite Flash panels.
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Do you think Superman can fly faster than he can run, or does he just have one maximum moving forward speed under all modes of transport?
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Nov 3, 2014 01:17
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Superman has a ground speed of 15000, a fly speed of 25000, a swim speed of 20000, and a dig speed of 7500.
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greatn posted:Superman has a ground speed of 15000, a fly speed of 25000, a swim speed of 20000, and a dig speed of 7500. That's pretty fast. I bet Superman could fly faster than Flash could run.
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Drifter posted:That's pretty fast. Flash can run faster than instant teleporting. Superman has a lot of power, but Flash's speed is in another category completely.
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Nov 3, 2014 01:44
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Since Flash has the lightning bolt theme going, I think it's only fair to compare him to terrible 90's Electric Superman.
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Phylodox posted:That Justice League Unlimited scene would have been amazing if they'd actually had the guts to kill off Wally and have him stay killed, instead of just instantly undoing it. Polaron posted:There's a moment in one of the comics where Superman is running alongside Flash and they have a conversation that goes something like this:
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Narcissus1916 posted:I've also hated stories where Superman is just as fast as the Flash. Superman should be more jack-of-all-trades instead of THE MOST POWERFUL GUY AT EVERYTHING EVER that some writers try to push. Speaking as someone who owns all the silver age Flash/Superman races, I have to point out that in the third and decisive match, Flash won. The thing with Superman in the 50's and 60's is that his powers weren't that laundry list of abilities, it was that he was "super". He had super power. So he was strong enough to lift anything he needed to, fast enough to outrace anything he needed to, tough enough to take any blow he needed to. Unless of course, kryptonite showed up in which case he was no longer super. It wasn't until the late sixties until they started reigning that in. But being "super" meant being unbeatable at that so the first two Flash/Superman races ended with a tie.
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team overhead smash posted:I believe one time he raced across from one side of the galaxy or universe to the other and he beat his opponent who was teleporting to travel the distance basically instantly greatn posted:He did do that once but that was slightly before they invented speed force and was combining his powers with New God technology. No it was definitely after. It was during a year long run where Grant Morrison filled in for Waid, and included the arc where he first got a suit made out of Speed Force energy, and another arc with "the Black Flash" who was basically the grim reaper for super speedsters. Both of those were obviously Speed Force-centric stories. The specific storyline team overhead smash was referencing is called "The Human Race" and I think it is collected in its own trade.
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Guy A. Person posted:No it was definitely after. It was during a year long run where Grant Morrison filled in for Waid, and included the arc where he first got a suit made out of Speed Force energy, and another arc with "the Black Flash" who was basically the grim reaper for super speedsters. Both of those were obviously Speed Force-centric stories. The specific storyline team overhead smash was referencing is called "The Human Race" and I think it is collected in its own trade. The one I'm thinking of was in Justice League I think. He used some kind of new God cosmic treadmill.
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I just finished catching up with the show and the thread. Having never read (or really been familiar with) The Flash, the show stands on its own and is great. But having my "The Goon Companion Guide to Watching The Flash", certainly makes it that much more enjoyable. You all have introduced me to more Flash lore than any amount of self-research would've done and made it more fun to boot. Thank you for the great thread so far, and keep those puns coming in fast. Also, Snart.
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It's not a problem, we're cool like that.
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wish i'd been around for the Young Justice thread. Finally getting around to watching it now. It's drat good. Flash/Kid Flash/Impulse are the best.
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Fragmented posted:So doesn't he eventually reach almost the speed of light? Well there's this page:  Despite what the narration says, some back-of-the-envelope math suggests that he basically would have moved at 10^12 times the speed of light, give or take a few orders of magnitude . Comic writers are bad at maths.
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Gonna need to see that envelope Chief, make sure it checks out.
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Rocksicles posted:Gonna need to see that envelope Chief, make sure it checks out. If you say he took two every trip (less than quoted) thats 250000 trips x 70 miles (35 miles each way) = 17500000 miles in .00000000001 seconds = 175 000 000 000 000 000 m/s. The speed of light is 299 792 458 m/s I hope I mathed that correctly.
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Wezlar posted:If you say he took two every trip (less than quoted) thats 250000 trips x 70 miles (35 miles each way) = 17500000 miles in .00000000001 seconds = 175 000 000 000 000 000 m/s. The speed of light is 299 792 458 m/s Pretty much, except the speed of light is given in metres/second, not miles/second. So you'd need to convert miles into metres first, which adds yet more zeroes to that already silly number.
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Nov 3, 2014 16:13
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Obviously he had a tailwind from the nuclear explosion. 
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Random Stranger posted:Obviously he had a tailwind from the nuclear explosion. Wind dosen't exist at that speed. Read my favorite what if from xkcd: http://what-if.xkcd.com/1/
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Nov 3, 2014 16:23
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Writing comic books was probably a lot easier before everyone knew about physics.
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zoux posted:Writing comic books was probably a lot easier before everyone knew about physics. Yeah, you apply physics, you get Gwen Stacy.
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For example:
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My one true fear!
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And to think, gravity's the only thing keeping the oceans from turning into Orange Crush! (Also, only people require gravity to stay on Earth. Apparently every single other thing is just fine without it.)
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