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Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



So I have a small apartment and my gym is over an hour away. Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for basic exercises someone can do at home without any equipment? I /do/ have a pull up bar but that's about it.

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Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

All dudes at my gym are chill bros who chill roll. v:shobon:v I am lucky I guess?

quote:

So I have a small apartment and my gym is over an hour away. Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for basic exercises someone can do at home without any equipment? I /do/ have a pull up bar but that's about it.

Pushups, Crunches, Squats. If that's too easy do the harder variations or get a cheap pair of kettle bells and play with those while doing those exercises.

Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 16:00 on Oct 31, 2014

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.
I took a crossfit fitness class and the circuit they had me do was actually a pretty good general S&C routine:

100m run
1x handstand wall walk
1x "man maker" (pushup, dumbbell row on each side, then a squat press with the dumbbells)
10x jump rope double unders (or 30x singles)
10x situps

Every time you complete the circuit, repeat it but add another another unit to each movement. Your second circuit should be like

200m run
2x handstand wall walk
2x man maker
20x double unders
20x situps

and the third would be like

300m run
3x handstand wall walk
3x man maker
30x double unders
30x situps

And basically just keep going for 30 minutes. The only equipment you'll need is a timer, a jump rope, some appropriately-sized dumbbells, and maybe some kind of lower back cushion for the situps. You can pretty much do this anywhere there's something you can do a handstand against, and if you're already doing handstands like a champ then you can do this anywhere outside. I do it in my back yard.

ManOfTheYear
Jan 5, 2013

Verisimilidude posted:

So I have a small apartment and my gym is over an hour away. Does anyone have any tips or suggestions for basic exercises someone can do at home without any equipment? I /do/ have a pull up bar but that's about it.

I trained like this for this year and you can get amazing conditioning without any equipment or even any fancy programs. Just decide you are going to do a given number of basic excercises of your choosing: push-ups, hindu-pushups, squats, hindu squats, pull-ups with different grips, burpees, lunges, different kinds of sit-ups and crunches etc. Even doing 100 pull-ups, 200 push-ups and 200 sit-ups combined with running a few kliks two or three will make you golden and it doesn't get any more basic than that.

If you want something more special, try doing Gotch's Bible workout: get a pack of palying cards, give an excercise for every type of card (for example clubs are squats, spades are burpees, clubs are pull-ups and hearts are push-ups.) and do as many reps as the card says. Kings are 13, queens 12, knaves 11 and aces 10. Do the whole deck twice or three times a week. Great conditioning for free!

Also kettlebells are recommendable.

E:// The simplest workout in the world is 150-200 burpees plus 50-100 pull-ups twice a week. SImplicity doesn't mean it won't be effective.

ManOfTheYear fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Oct 31, 2014

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
One time when I was giving boxing a try I was the cool down round for a guy going pro. He was just moving his feet and letting me hit with almost no countering but after a minute he called time and asked why I wouldn't hit him past just a tap. I said " coach says hit as hard as you want to be hit and I saw you on the heavy bag earlier". he laughed.

Martial arts are fun if you aren't a dick.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

I've only seen the first Rocky and I'm completely satisfied with that.

Unless you're a godless commie bastard you need to get your rear end to your movie provider of choice and download/rent Rocky IV. You'll thank me later.

Grandmaster.flv
Jun 24, 2011

BrainDance
May 8, 2007

Disco all night long!

Thoguh posted:

Unless you're a godless commie bastard you need to get your rear end to your movie provider of choice and download/rent Rocky IV. You'll thank me later.

On that note I watched Bloodsport for the first time a couple weeks ago, watched it like five times since.

Nostalgia4Dogges
Jun 18, 2004

Only emojis can express my pure, simple stupidity.

^ Aren't they "rebooting" it? After reading about how much of a phony the dude was that made it the movie lost some of its appeal. Some. Also interesting tidbit is that swole Asian dude in the last fight was pushing 50 almost I think when it was filmed.

I love the part at the end that says the dude it was based off of knocked out 60 dudes in one competition or some bullshit. As if there were even that many matches lol


Kickboxer (which is actually about Muay Thai) is another over the top ridiculous classic.


Showing my gf the Rocky movies. Only saw the first one with her and I'm considering skipping to 4 and calling it a day.

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

So I think I hosed my lower back doing squats today, had the rails up but I wasn't smart enough to just let it drop and get caught instead I tried to regain control of 80kg. Good thing I was only working up to my max and not doing one rep max or I would've done some real damage. No lasting damage, physio said it's a minor tear, don't roll, don't kick box, don't lift heavy poo poo for two weeks.

No prescription meds and I'm allergic to codeine. Getting out of bed tomorrow should be fun.

Also for those of you wanting a good martial arts movie who haven't seen it get the raid bonus points if the subtitles have been converted to english by way of serbian.

"what you loving good times talking to me for friend"

ceaselessfuture
Apr 9, 2005

"I'm thirty," I said. "I'm five years too old to lie to myself and call it honor."
So I switched gyms from a kind of laid-back boxing gym to a more competitive-minded kickboxing gym and I couldn't be happier. Things are great right now.

Except that I'm 30 and my legs aren't as limber as they used to be! We did a million squats and some kicks, and I think I pulled a muscle or something. High-inner-thigh, hip area, feels like the tendon is all sore. Is there anything I can do besides wait it out?

That being said I'm loving everything and working on stretching my legs so I'm as flexible as I used to be. I think it'll work out.

Any good stretches you guys recommend as well?

Apparently Gabriel Varga is coming in to do a seminar sometime soon, so I really hit the jackpot with this new place. Totally stoked! :D

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

KidDynamite posted:

Also your knees can just explode in fencing.

Is it from the all lunging? I assume in a lunge, you get lower down and thus put your knees through more acute angles? How does that translate to a better attack for a long pointed weapon compared to an arm and fist?

BlindSite
Feb 8, 2009

ceaselessfuture posted:

So I switched gyms from a kind of laid-back boxing gym to a more competitive-minded kickboxing gym and I couldn't be happier. Things are great right now.

Except that I'm 30 and my legs aren't as limber as they used to be! We did a million squats and some kicks, and I think I pulled a muscle or something. High-inner-thigh, hip area, feels like the tendon is all sore. Is there anything I can do besides wait it out?

That being said I'm loving everything and working on stretching my legs so I'm as flexible as I used to be. I think it'll work out.

Any good stretches you guys recommend as well?

Apparently Gabriel Varga is coming in to do a seminar sometime soon, so I really hit the jackpot with this new place. Totally stoked! :D

I think eddie bravo has a few youtube vids of stretching routines. Otherwise I'm sure hitting up "muay thai stretching" on youtube will yield some good poo poo.

General Emergency
Apr 2, 2009

Can we talk?
Tendons can get pretty painful without a muscle tear or pull or anything. That poo poo probably got a way different kinda strain on it than it's seen in... Ever? You probably don't kick things for 90minutes or so on an average day. If you did though: rest. Other than that people recommend icing, elevation and anti-inflamatories but I've never seen the point if it's not painful at rest.

Also foam rollers are magic for legs. Rolling an hour or two after practice has really helped me with my tight leg muscles. Made my mornings less painful. Youtube has tons of videos for how to do it. Oh and it's supposed to hurt a bit.

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

I thought of a sweet piece of self defense training today. People get taken advantage of when they can't bring themselves to be rude or verbally aggressive to people, right? Practice on charity muggers. I've been really rude to them for the last couple of years just because I thought it was the fastest way to get rid of them. It just occurred to me today that I'm a lot better at being able to be loud/rude/assertive to people's faces when the need arises as a result.

My current thing is to just look them in the eyes and loudly say "NOPE" at them and keep walking, and that's been working pretty well. But you know, you could go anywhere you want with it.

ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Dickhead.

MagicCube
May 25, 2004

Next thing you know, I'm on the mailman's back sinking in a RNC yelling "NOPE" over and over again. That'll teach that fucker not to trespass.

02-6611-0142-1
Sep 30, 2004

Maybe you have a different breed of salesman where you live. Salesmen in my city are basically a loud and aggressive pack of roaming MRAs. Intentionally backhanded compliments, yelling passive aggressive stuff if you don't engage with them, blocking your path, handing flyers to you and then not letting go of the other end so that you're stuck holding onto them, that kind of thing.

ICHIBAHN
Feb 21, 2007

by Cyrano4747
Yeah they're dicks but that doesn't mean I should be.

Rabhadh
Aug 26, 2007

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

Maybe you have a different breed of salesman where you live. Salesmen in my city are basically a loud and aggressive pack of roaming MRAs. Intentionally backhanded compliments, yelling passive aggressive stuff if you don't engage with them, blocking your path, handing flyers to you and then not letting go of the other end so that you're stuck holding onto them, that kind of thing.

They're doing a sales job, its nothing personal. Stop taking it personally. It's the same with beggars, it's basically a sales job.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

I thought of a sweet piece of self defense training today. People get taken advantage of when they can't bring themselves to be rude or verbally aggressive to people, right? Practice on charity muggers. I've been really rude to them for the last couple of years just because I thought it was the fastest way to get rid of them. It just occurred to me today that I'm a lot better at being able to be loud/rude/assertive to people's faces when the need arises as a result.

My current thing is to just look them in the eyes and loudly say "NOPE" at them and keep walking, and that's been working pretty well. But you know, you could go anywhere you want with it.

This is, like, the opposite of self-defense.

Ligur
Sep 6, 2000

by Lowtax
I self-defendered last weekend against aggressive drunk who wanted to fight! Self-defense is an attitude! Palms open and smiles!

Because every other place was filled to the brim we ended up in a semi-dive bar with an ex-gf to have a few beers and chat, and not surprisingly there was a constant ruckus or fight going on within 10 feet of us for the first 45 minutes or so. It was sort of hilarious just to ignore what happened in the tables next to us even when the tables were being up-ended, sip beer and talk while two hulking 6'2 280 lbs drunk ogres met in combat with various other customers. My favourite was this wiry (180 lbs at most), steely eyed drunk who managed to control the other ogre in a few instances and even throw him out by himself. A couple of times it was the middle-aged pot bellied Indian who owns the place (seeing that were not regulars, he kept apologizing!). Finally the guards come over, and things cool down at the 30 minute mark... the guards leave... and waaaargh the more aggressive fat blob charges in from the door when everyone thought it was over and while I'm shouting "WAAAATCH OOOUUU-" throws a blindside right hand haymaker at his supposed nemesis, fails to drop him, and they end up grappling and fall over our table at which point I'm forced to intervene too. Nobody falls on my ex-gf and spills her beer! I ended up escorting fat moron outside and keeping him there while he gesticulates, shouts threats at me and at the general direction of the door and flails his limbs, frothy mouth leaking blood, while the guards are called. Fat moron sees squad car, develops super power of fast running and vanishes into the night. While he was trying to get back in and I was smiling and holding my hands up, palms open, between him and the door for a second I wished he would throw one at me... glad he didn't though.

Verisimilidude
Dec 20, 2006

Strike quick and hurry at him,
not caring to hit or miss.
So that you dishonor him before the judges



kimbo305 posted:

Is it from the all lunging? I assume in a lunge, you get lower down and thus put your knees through more acute angles? How does that translate to a better attack for a long pointed weapon compared to an arm and fist?

In fencing (and lunging in general I suppose) the general rule of thumb is during a lunge never extend your knee past your foot, and try to maintain your knee perpendicular to your ankle. You recover faster from this position than you would if you overextend, and overextending can cause serious injury especially if the movement is as explosive as you want it to be.

It translates because of the distance and speed of the lunge, but also the ability to effectively penetrate your target. It in part derives from fencing with actual thrusting weapons (rapier, smallsword, etc), where thrusting with the arms isn't nearly as effective as using your entire body.

Gaz2k21
Sep 1, 2006

MEGALA---WHO??!!??

02-6611-0142-1 posted:

I thought of a sweet piece of self defense training today. People get taken advantage of when they can't bring themselves to be rude or verbally aggressive to people, right? Practice on charity muggers. I've been really rude to them for the last couple of years just because I thought it was the fastest way to get rid of them. It just occurred to me today that I'm a lot better at being able to be loud/rude/assertive to people's faces when the need arises as a result.

My current thing is to just look them in the eyes and loudly say "NOPE" at them and keep walking, and that's been working pretty well. But you know, you could go anywhere you want with it.

You should probably work on your "leave me the hell alone" face it's more subtle and doesn't make you look like quite as much of an rear end in public.

KidDynamite
Feb 11, 2005

kimbo305 posted:

Is it from the all lunging? I assume in a lunge, you get lower down and thus put your knees through more acute angles? How does that translate to a better attack for a long pointed weapon compared to an arm and fist?

The lunge is better for a weapon simply because you are expanding your arm and keeping your body back from their attack so they have to either parry your blade and riposte or beat the attack of it's line and riposte. A lunging jab can have it's uses as you could lunge into the body but you have to have the quickness to get out of there or the infighting skill to step in with the back foot and bring the pain. This is all coming from an Epee fencer not sure how the other blades would feel about it. IMO Fencing still translates well to boxing because it lets you close straight line distance incredibly quickly, gives you a very good sense of timing and distance, and it really starts you off at a level where you can counter from the get go rather than having to learn that skill. It also gave me the bad habit of thinking simultaneous exchanges weren't all that bad, and that you can wait for an opponent(you can just not at beginner level when how your body should correctly move is still foreign).

Now(well the last time I was seriously in the gym) I was able to wait until my opponent started a punch and just throw a straighter crisper jab that would land first because of the lunge. Very difficult to get a good follow up out of that though. Maybe I should get back in the gym and work on that.


Edit: forgot to answer the knee exploding bit. executing a proper lunge will leave your knee above your foot with the shin in line. the back leg will be extended and that knee will be taking horizontal forces. So if not properly executed that two points where a lunge can me a knee go bye bye.

KidDynamite fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Nov 3, 2014

Rabhadh
Aug 26, 2007

Ligur posted:

I self-defendered last weekend against aggressive drunk who wanted to fight! Self-defense is an attitude! Palms open and smiles!

Did you ex appreciate you beating off that fat guy?

Novum
May 26, 2012

That's how we roll

MagicCube posted:

Next thing you know, I'm on the mailman's back sinking in a RNC yelling "NOPE" over and over again. That'll teach that fucker not to trespass.

Defenestrategy
Oct 24, 2010

So I was looking at some competition BJJ, and wondered why do most competitions tend to ban any submissions to the leg up to Brown/Black belt level where leg attacks open up? I mean a Knee Bar can't be that much more dangerous then say, an arm bar right? Or am I wrong and stupid, and legs are much easier to injure then arms/necks/etc? or is it just a weird Bjj thing that makes it "dishonorable" to punish people for skipping leg day?

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

KildarX posted:

So I was looking at some competition BJJ, and wondered why do most competitions tend to ban any submissions to the leg up to Brown/Black where leg attacks open up? I mean a Knee Bar can't be that much more dangerous then say, an arm bar right? Or am I wrong and stupid, and legs are much easier to injure then arms/necks/etc? or is it just a weird Bjj thing that makes it "dishonorable" to punish people for skipping leg day?

Because BJJ is stupid

e: well, the IBJJF is stupid at least

Mechafunkzilla fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Nov 3, 2014

cptInsane0
Apr 11, 2007

...and a clown with no head
Mechafunkzilla's explanation is probably more accurate, but I was under the impression that it's because a kneebar doesn't start to hurt until it's almost too late, and someone who is not experienced enough may not tap early enough to avoid serious damage.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

cptInsane0 posted:

Mechafunkzilla's explanation is probably more accurate, but I was under the impression that it's because a kneebar doesn't start to hurt until it's almost too late, and someone who is not experienced enough may not tap early enough to avoid serious damage.

You're thinking of heelhooks, in which case it's sorta true. I honestly don't have too much of an issue with keeping heelhooks out of beginner competition.

The no leg reaping rule is colossally stupid though. I guess the idea (assuming you don't think it's a cynical rule meant to strengthen the guard game) is that people can gently caress themselves up trying to roll the wrong way out of a leg control position, a problem that's easily solved by actually training leglocks. It makes about as much sense as outlawing throws so that you don't have to teach your students how to breakfall.

wedgie deliverer
Oct 2, 2010

Edit: beaten to the punch.

cptInsane0
Apr 11, 2007

...and a clown with no head

Mechafunkzilla posted:

You're thinking of heelhooks, in which case it's sorta true. I honestly don't have too much of an issue with keeping heelhooks out of beginner competition.

The no leg reaping rule is colossally stupid though. I guess the idea (assuming you don't think it's a cynical rule meant to strengthen the guard game) is that people can gently caress themselves up trying to roll the wrong way out of a leg control position, a problem that's easily solved by actually training leglocks. It makes about as much sense as outlawing throws so that you don't have to teach your students how to breakfall.

Oh yeah. You're right. What constitutes "reaping the knee" is kind of lame.

Decades
Apr 12, 2007

College Slice
I've always been a little unclear on the reasoning behind the different rulesets for leglocks in gi and no gi. It's just too hard to defend heelhooks in a gi?

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Decades posted:

I've always been a little unclear on the reasoning behind the different rulesets for leglocks in gi and no gi. It's just too hard to defend heelhooks in a gi?

It's because the guys who made the lovely leglock rules in the first place don't care about no-gi, so the no-gi rules are more relaxed.

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Heel hooks and toe holds should be reserved for high ranks but yeah it's dumb and bad for bjj to ban all leg attacks. Knee bars don't hurts much but if you understand an armbar you should be capable of understanding why you need to tap to knee bars.

I'm not a leg lock guy but my understanding is that if you work straight ankle and knee bar, understanding the twisting locks is a pretty simple path. I think white and blue should include those so guys can skill up appropriately. Where I'm training now has a coach that has a very robust leg lock game but they don't teach it much. Wish he would

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Xguard86 posted:

Heel hooks and toe holds should be reserved for high ranks but yeah it's dumb and bad for bjj to ban all leg attacks. Knee bars don't hurts much but if you understand an armbar you should be capable of understanding why you need to tap to knee bars.

I'm not a leg lock guy but my understanding is that if you work straight ankle and knee bar, understanding the twisting locks is a pretty simple path. I think white and blue should include those so guys can skill up appropriately. Where I'm training now has a coach that has a very robust leg lock game but they don't teach it much. Wish he would

Why toe holds?

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Why toe holds?

Twisting lock. Maybe I don't know enough but I feel like when you add a twisting component you add a much higher chance for injury.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...

Xguard86 posted:

Twisting lock. Maybe I don't know enough but I feel like when you add a twisting component you add a much higher chance for injury.

It's not even a twisting lock. You want to lever the foot at an angle to but pressure on the outside of the ankle but you're not really twisting the joint.

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Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Well I guess toe holds could be approved. I sorta understand the other locks but never really go for toeholds. Mostly just because I infrequently leg lock and when I do it's usually a straight ankle to heel hook to knee bar basic sequence that I inevitably gently caress up.

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