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awesome-express posted:Stay classy, Russia Just came to post this. Business Insider seems to have it wrong, though, as it was the corporate organization ZEFS which had it installed that now took it down, not irate citizens with torches and pitchforks.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Probably because like the elections forced at gunpoint in occupied Crimea, no one is going to recognize these fraudulent election in occupied Eastern Ukraine either. They created the ASCE because the OSCE refused to observe their elections that they know are bullshit. Wait, they actually created an organization called the ASCE? That wasn't a joke? Russia is approaching North Korea levels of farcical.
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Phlegmish posted:Wait, they actually created an organization called the ASCE? That wasn't a joke? Glorious NovoRossyia needs no homonnazi loving UN organization observing our completely free and fair elections! We have our own! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle21418834/
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Phlegmish posted:Wait, they actually created an organization called the ASCE? That wasn't a joke? The way this is going, I now fully expect our grandchildren to ask us at some point in the future why the third world war was called "The Gay Wars".
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Phlegmish posted:Wait, they actually created an organization called the ASCE? That wasn't a joke?  Source: http://www.interpretermag.com/fake-monitors-observe-fake-elections-in-the-donbass/
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Live stream of supposed fighting in Donetsk airport, quiet for time being. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NVJSWtQXRk Also,   , Bulgaria what the gently caress.Edit. According to Russian TV, National Guard troops were promised homesteads and a pair of slaves each. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUsQloj4vOM cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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I assume at this point Russian TV would report straight-faced that Ukrainian soldiers are actually all vampires infected by the CIA to hunger for Russian blood, then brush it off with a "u mad bro?" Speaking of trying to retroactively claim you're trolling after being shown to be dumb, good work eigenstate for doing the leg-work to bury TeodorMorozov's post. I wish cutting his post apart would give him pause and cause him to question where he got this information, why people would be falsifying such stories and maybe realize the side spreading such hateful invective is not one he wants to be a part of, but we may have to settle for an implicit admission of defeat in the form of him never addressing the post or only saying "Hah, what an idiot for taking it seriously, I was just trolling you!"
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:That party list Reminds me of the list of people who observed the Crimea vote
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kalstrams posted:Yes, ASCE was created on proposal from international "observers" from Eurasian Observatory of Democracy and Elections (EODE) run by the Belgian fascist Luc Michel and the European Centre for Geopolitical Analysis (ECGA) run by Polish far-right politician Mateusz Piskorski. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz5NP0-iqtE Slobodan Samardžija is Vladimir Kršljanin is a loud nobody. His organization is a bunch of right-wing conspiracy nuts. Stevica Deđanski used to be a member of the Serbian Radical Party (closest US political spectrum comparison: Tea Party) Recently, he's been busy condemning extreme nationalism and calling ultranationalists 'useful idiots in service of foreign powers' I am both surprised and not about seeing Vladimir Đukanović on that list. Surprised because the Progressive Party was smart enough so far to stay out of this mess (since, as the ruling party, they'd technically also represent Serbia). Not surprised because he's a notoriously corrupt rear end in a top hat involved in several scandals involving the national lottery, and this really does look like something he'd do. By the way, I'm still planning to do a Serbian politics post, and explain how a center-right party like the Progressives ended up being a less crazy opition than the party that was in charge before they finally came to power. And how an alternative to the Progressives unfortunately failed to form in the aftermath of the election. It was and still is a bizarre situation.
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Dolash posted:I assume at this point Russian TV would report straight-faced that Ukrainian soldiers are actually all vampires infected by the CIA to hunger for Russian blood, then brush it off with a "u mad bro?" Except they won't mention soldiers, but "Right Sector and National Guard", since that their side (which Russia only supports "morally", of course) is fighting servicemen from places like Mikolayiv, Dnipropetrovsk and Odessa runs counter the main propaganda narrative.
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Thousands of Romanian expats protest in front of Romanian embassies because they were unable to vote. http://www.euronews.com/2014/11/03/thousands-of-expats-unable-to-vote-in-romania-presidential-elections/ I see that actually as a healthy interest in the election. Croatian expats never cared that much about the elections, and they'll care even less on the next ones. I predict a record low turnout.
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 I was just thinking of asking you who all these people are. Thanks!Edit: What is the sound for that fancy crossed d letter in Serbian?
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It's a soft J. Like, imagine a British granny saying 'Joke' Just look up Novak Đoković on Youtube, there has to be someone who said it right. Just to add to my post: I looked up stuff about Stevica Deđanski a bit, turns out his anti-nationalist routine is actually about claiming that extreme nationalists are being paid by the West to make a show in order to discredit Serbia (and, somehow, Russia). It now makes a lot more sense as to why he's on that list. 
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Omi-Polari posted:Hah. True. But I think a lot of intelligence work is trying to sway opinion and policy inside other countries for your own government's ends. The U.S. also deploys this kind of soft power with gusto, of course. But if you Google these various think-tanks associated with the likes of Ron Paul and his people, you'll find a trail of breadcrumbs leading to these weird Italian and French organizations staffed by Russians promoting links to articles that they've landed at the likes of The National Interest about "The Russian point-of-view on X" I actually would like to find out more about this. Any good places to start?
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Mightypeon posted:some genuine Donbass populists actually shot at the Oligarch aligned factions, while the genuine pro Ukrainian patriots did to my knowledge no such Thing concerning the Junta What is this Junta you keep referring to?
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my dad posted:It's a soft J. Like, imagine a British granny saying 'Joke'
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kalstrams posted:Oh, I know this sound, we have it in Latvian as 'dž'. The thing is, we also have a 'dž', and it's a harder J, like the one heard when a regular English person says 'joke'. đ is softer than that. It's a subtle difference for people who don't speak Serbo-Croatian, but audible and obvious to native speakers.
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kalstrams posted:Oh, I know this sound, we have it in Latvian as 'dž'. I looked up "Latvian phonology" on wiki. As my dad said we have both, Serbian dž is the same as Latvian dž. Here are pronunciations for dž and dj or đ. SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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MeLKoR posted:What is this Junta you keep referring to? The enemies of Russia, aka the legitimate government.
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El Scotch posted:The enemies of Russia, aka the legitimate government.
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"The Junta" would be a great band name, especially with an appropriate lead. "Dimitri and the Junta"
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Discendo Vox posted:"The Junta" would be a great band name, especially with an appropriate lead. Not enough latin flavor for my tastes. El Presidente and His Big Junta Band playing their classic bachata hit, "Eso Es Rusia"
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Barudak posted:Not enough latin flavor for my tastes. El Presidente and His Big Junta Band playing their classic bachata hit, "Eso Es Rusia" Junta is already a Phish album.
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Spoke with an Ukranian election observer for Odessa this afternoon. National vote was relatively honest, district-level was a bit strong-armed by anti-Kiev politicians (ones most likely to be easily picked off by Russia). While Russia may be resigned towards a Western Ukraine temporarily being split from Mother Russia, by eliminating all Ukranian access to domestic energy production and by making Ukraine a land-locked nation with delayed Russian customs processing, Russia is of the opinion that Ukraine will beg to come back. First step is eliminating and heavily restricting Ukranian access to global markets. So, who has a map of Ukranian rail capacity by rail gauge?
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Today is the anniversary of: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/the-sad-story-of-laika-the-first-dog-launched-into-orbit/ar-BBcK03l?ocid=mailsignout
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My Imaginary GF posted:Spoke with an Ukranian election observer for Odessa this afternoon. National vote was relatively honest, district-level was a bit strong-armed by anti-Kiev politicians (ones most likely to be easily picked off by Russia). While Russia may be resigned towards a Western Ukraine temporarily being split from Mother Russia, by eliminating all Ukranian access to domestic energy production and by making Ukraine a land-locked nation with delayed Russian customs processing, Russia is of the opinion that Ukraine will beg to come back. Go nuts. 
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My Imaginary GF posted:Spoke with an Ukranian election observer for Odessa this afternoon. National vote was relatively honest, district-level was a bit strong-armed by anti-Kiev politicians (ones most likely to be easily picked off by Russia). While Russia may be resigned towards a Western Ukraine temporarily being split from Mother Russia, by eliminating all Ukranian access to domestic energy production and by making Ukraine a land-locked nation with delayed Russian customs processing, Russia is of the opinion that Ukraine will beg to come back. Worst case scenario, the cigarette smugglers by the Polish border can just pick up everything Ukrainian industry needs and have the Marshutkas drive a little further than usual. I'm sort of kidding, but that's also probably the actual backup plan for many Ukrainian firms. I think Russia is not planning on reincorporating western Ukraine in the next 15-20 years and the goal now is getting more internal political influence by making credible threats. For the next phase down the line, they could "pragmatically" stop around Kiev, then pull a reverse Molotov-Ribbentropp to let have Poland take Lviv and maybe even some territory down to the Danube. Poland was willing to take a piece of Czechoslovakia after Munich in 38, (a weird fact left out of high school textbooks worldwide) but maybe they've learned their lesson and maybe they haven't. Smerdyakov fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Smerdyakov posted:Worst case scenario, the cigarette smugglers by the Polish border can just pick up everything Ukrainian industry needs and have the Marshutkas drive a little further than usual. I'm sort of kidding, but that's also probably the actual backup plan for many Ukrainian firms. I think Russia is not planning on reincorporating western Ukraine in the next 15-20 years and the goal now is getting more internal political influence by making credible threats. For the next phase down the line, they could "pragmatically" stop around Kiev, then pull a reverse Molotov-Ribbentropp to let have Poland take Lviv and maybe even some territory down to the Danube. Poland was willing to take a piece of Czechoslovakia after Munich in 38, (a weird fact left out of high school textbooks worldwide) but maybe they've learned their lesson and maybe they haven't. You say Russia dealing with West Ukraine is 15-20 years away? Poland, a victim of (multiple) partitions historically, cooperating with Russia - the aggressor behind most of those partitions(and with the Soviets establishing themselves firmly as Poland's archnemesis) - to partition another nation is probably 100-150 years away. Though the rumors on multiple occasions now have flown that Russia has tried dangling that particular bait in front of Poland to see if they'll bite.
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Cuntpunch posted:You say Russia dealing with West Ukraine is 15-20 years away? Poland and Germany are cooperating ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, and the Nazis were, well, Nazis.
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my dad posted:Poland and Germany are cooperating ever since the fall of the Soviet Union, and the Nazis were, well, Nazis. By no means does Poland love Germany, it's just that there's the fact that the aggressive government that hosed them over in the 30's has, obviously, been replaced; combined with the fact that Germany suffered under the Soviets as much as Poland did, it builds at least a little empathy and willingness to play nice. At least Merkel isn't decrying the fall of the Reich as a tragedy.
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The Poland that played along with Hitler also had some major expansionist dreams of its own. I'm not aware of there being a major faction in Poland currently looking to establish it as the new imperial hegemon in Eastern Europe.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The Poland that played along with Hitler also had some major expansionist dreams of its own. I'm not aware of there being a major faction in Poland currently looking to establish it as the new imperial hegemon in Eastern Europe. I was complaining about the 100+ years timespan. In the 50 years between 1944 and 1994, a lot of countries did a 180 turn, some more than once. Also, the idea that 'the victim of X will never do X to someone else' is laughable. Just look at Israel. I don't think the Poles are going to even think about partitioning a neighbor anytime soon, though.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The Poland that played along with Hitler also had some major expansionist dreams of its own. I'm not aware of there being a major faction in Poland currently looking to establish it as the new imperial hegemon in Eastern Europe. "Major" is a huge overstatement. The part of Czechoslovakia they gobbled up was a claim of a grand total of 805 square kilometres, with a Polish majority, renounced earlier when it was Poland who had to bend over and take it from the Western powers because of the Bolshevik war. Only other attempts at expansion after 1921 were half-assed attempts to get awarded an African colony.
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Mightypeon posted:"Pro Russians" (and that is a misnomer, considerable parts there just want to be left the gently caress alone from Shenangians, no matter if they come from Kiev or Moscow) That's like saying that someone jumping from the roof actually wants to fly, not fall. There is exactly zero chance of the region explicitly called "Novorussia" to be free from Russian shenanigans if they are no longer under Ukrainian control. It's simply impossible for them to be truly independent, no matter what they may want. Because the ones who want to be annexed by Russia (and who are often actually Russian) are the ones in control.
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I came up upon this on wikipedia while reading on another subject but what's with the crazy murder rates in the Baltic countries?
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MeLKoR posted:I came up upon this on wikipedia while reading on another subject but what's with the crazy murder rates in the Baltic countries? 
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MeLKoR posted:I came up upon this on wikipedia while reading on another subject but what's with the crazy murder rates in the Baltic countries? I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary in my daily life. Of course Estonia also leads in Europe's charts when it comes to suicides, HIV rate and all that. My personal theory is that other Eastern European countries don't gather statistics as vigorously as we do. Also when going by this: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate We're the first non-African country (except Haiti) in there. Incredible. e: and what pigdog said. jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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