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Xenoborg posted:Is it a standard policy to not communicate with an applicant post interview? Of the three interviews I've had lately, only one even send me a "you didn't get the job" email, and no one has ever responded to any type of follow up emails/calls. It's a little rude not to inform someone they didn't get the job and not respond to their emails/calls, but it's hardly unusual and you shouldn't take it personally.
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Boot and Rally posted:Who usually books travel when being brought in for an interview? It strikes me a potential problem for the company if they insist they do it and thus skirt laws by allowing them access to information like: gender, age and nationality. This is a common misconception. There are no laws prohibiting any employer from asking you your age, gender, nationality, race, sexual orientation, marital status, etc. Of course, it's perfectly legal for you not to answer any question asked during an interview, but they are legally allowed for your shoe size if they want it. What's illegal is discriminating in hiring decisions based on those protected classes. Whoever for it does the booking. If a company invites you out to interview at their HQ, they typically pay unless they suck and/or are broke. Although it is becoming depressingly more common for companies to abuse the bad economy to make travelers pay.
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seacat posted:This is a common misconception. There are no laws prohibiting any employer from asking you your age, gender, nationality, race, sexual orientation, marital status, etc. Of course, it's perfectly legal for you not to answer any question asked during an interview, but they are legally allowed for your shoe size if they want it. What's illegal is discriminating in hiring decisions based on those protected classes. Doesn't asking about these things remove deniability and open up the company to legal action? My instinct is yes but the cost of doing so and difficulty in proving discrimination make it pointless.
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When I traveled for an interview, I negotiated (through the recruiter) that if the company decided not to offer me a job, or if they offered me a job and I accepted, that the company would pay. In the case that the company offered me a job but I declined, then I would pay. Seemed like a reasonable happy medium at the time when I had no leverage (basically 0 relevant work experience, was not working at all at the time).
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Xandu posted:It's a little rude not to inform someone they didn't get the job and not respond to their emails/calls, but it's hardly unusual and you shouldn't take it personally. Yeah it's lovely to not even send a form email for closure's sake, but yeah it happens a lot.
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I applied to a job directly through Indeed.com last week, and somehow a recruiter got a hold of my work cell phone number and has been leaving my messages all week. My work cell is not listed anywhere online, and my Indeed resume has my personal cell number, so I have no idea how she got my work contact info. We're connected on LinkedIn, so I'm assuming she must have called reception and asked for my contact info. It's not a huge deal, but I'm still somewhat annoyed. What kind of recruiter calls a job seeker on their employer provided cell and identifies themselves as working for X recruitment agency? I haven't returned any of her calls, but I really feel like her actions are extremely unprofessional. I'm debating sending her a curt message on LinkedIn, or finding out who her manager/supervisor is, and letting them know how disappointed I am.
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I've been flown out for an interview before, they even gave me an expense report to get reimbursed for food and gas for the rental car. They handled all their travel through a corporate travel agency, so they gave me the agency's phone number for me to call them directly and arrange my flights and hotel so the company interviewing me never saw any of my demographic information I had to provide for the flights. Even if they don't have a travel agency the person who arranges the travel at any given company is rarely the person doing the interviewing. I flew myself out for a different interview, but I was planning on flying to that area anyway for other stuff. I wouldn't have flown up JUST to talk to that company.
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Jesus Christ did I just throw away a job? After being flown out for my 3rd interview I get an email asking for references. The email is mostly clear, and it wants 5 references with two managers. I just wanted to make sure that I could use professors and fellow students as references so I call the company recruiter and she doesn't pick up, so I leave a message around two pm asking about acceptable references. Then around 5 pm I send an email to the recruiting support email they have asking about references and the like. Also stating I probably wouldn't be able to get my references in on time. The email asking for references asked me to let them know if I could not complete it in 24 hours. I was waiting on my 5th reference to respond at the time. My fifth reference did come through, and I just decided to put them in. They are using skill survey, and when I am putting my references in I notice that all the answers to my questions were here. Professors counted as managers, and school peers are accepted too. Now I feel like a complete idiot for leave that voice mail and sending that email. I finished the form in 24 hours so hopefully it's not to bad. I am just really worried I came off looking like an idiot asking what I realize now were stupid questions. They still haven't responded, and I am hoping that is because they saw I completed the form. I really hope it's not because they were so disgusted by my dumb questions. Goons how badly did I mess up?
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Xeom posted:
Probably not that bad..."stupid" questions I've gotten doing hiring stuff for work were "So, does this mean I have to like, list all my felonies? Cause there were like, three that were for stuff that i got busted for before, so since it was the same thing i only have to list it once, right?" not "Do professors count as managers for my references?" and I'd count someone being that proactive about making sure that we had exactly what we were looking for to vet a candidate as a plus, so long as they weren't being stupid annoying about it by like calling 6 times in one day. The flew you out to interview, your chances of getting the job are pretty high. Then again, I've never been a hiring manager for a large company, only two very small ones, and even then it was more a "well, you're the highest ranked person we have here that's not the owner, so you're the one making the call and then the owner has veto power over any of your decisions" sort of thing, so it may be very very different for a large corp. Five references including 2 former managers seems a bit excessive though. Management position? Welp, any tips for interviewing in IT? I have the skills for any practical questions unless they start digging into obscue networking stuff, but it's second tier break/fix computer janitor stuff so i doubt they'll start asking those sorts of questions, and they already offered me something temporary while interviewing everyone based on my resume alone. While I've always been the go-to IT support person when there wasn't an actual IT person at a job, and have a bunch of experience in it, I've never interviewed for a purely IT position, I've always interviewed for something else, and then when my managers found out I knew how to do break/fix tech support sorta stuff and just kinda rolled that into my job description. I'm personable, and a confident interviewer, so I feel pretty good about the basic regular interview stuff, but is there anything I should be aware of interviewing for a purely IT focused role? Dr Jankenstein fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Oct 28, 2014 |
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Oct 28, 2014 17:48
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Is it okay if I leave out unpaid high school internships on my background check for my new grad job? I don't have their contact information anymore, and they aren't listed on my resume.
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Oct 28, 2014 20:14
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Interviewed a few people for a part-time lab tech role today... I realize that it's only a part-time lab tech role but rolling into an interview wearing a t-shirt and jeans and smelling like you were working in cow manure all day isn't going to cut it
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I've been at my current position for 2.5 years but I've been at my company for 5. My old job was in a completely different department and there's not a ton of cross-over in terms of career relevance. I'm wondering if it makes sense to drop the earlier position from my resume, adjust the date on my current position to encompass my entire tenure at the company, and move any bullet points from the earlier job underneath my current position's header. The thing I worry about is that this is the first company I've worked for so I could see potential employers raising an eyebrow at a large accomplishments section for only one job.
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Blinkz0rz posted:I've been at my current position for 2.5 years but I've been at my company for 5. My old job was in a completely different department and there's not a ton of cross-over in terms of career relevance. Why are you thinking about doing this? I don't see what you have to gain. Save space on your résumé?
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Oct 29, 2014 14:58
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Does anyone have any impressive cover letters/examples? Mine is too stiff, doesn't flow the way I want it to, and I need some inspiration.
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MickeyFinn posted:Why are you thinking about doing this? I don't see what you have to gain. Save space on your résumé? Yeah basically. I have at least one or two other items I can add to my current position but I'm just about to overflow the page and I'd like to avoid that.
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I'm going to interview with one of the big casinos in Las Vegas over the phone tomorrow. I currently live in Chicago. I've told them that I can relocate, but if I manage to get an offer then the specifics of relocation are likely going to be an important conversation. I'd like advise on how to handle this. Obviously this isn't a detail I want to derail a job offer, but on the other hand I don't want to make relocating too costly for myself.
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Without getting into to much detail, I recently quit a job because management was doing illegal stuff (in which I was not involved). Now I have some interviews coming up, what exactly do I tell them when they ask why I left my previous job? 'Personal reasons'? 'I can't answer that'? Do I make something up?
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I haven't finished reading the whole thread yet, so apologies if I missed some more recent changes. I was wondering if someone could look over my resume. Most of my work experience is in office/administrative assistant type stuff and I'm graduating at the end of the year with a degree in Asian Studies. I'm planning to use my Japanese language skills and office experience to land something entry level in a bigger company with the hope that I can work my way up to being a translator or something using language. (I haven't taken the JLPT yet but plan to next year. I'm somewhere between N3 and N2.) https://www.dropbox.com/s/m9t2jp5f0n3kgoc/TeaResume.doc?dl=0 I noticed in a lot of resume critiques people said to leave off no-brainer stuff like "advanced computer proficiency" and "Microsoft Office," but if that's listed as a requirement on a job posting should I put it in my resume? Also, for anyone with experience working for a Japanese company in America and vice versa, culturally how do you handle the interview? I know in America I'm expected to sell myself, but what do I do for the Japanese portion of the interview? I haven't had a job interview in Japan but from what I've read about them you're not supposed to brag about your accomplishments.
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Your work experience descriptions are very generic, try to beef them up a bit. Maybe put your education up top if you're applying to jobs where it's an asset.
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Second interview tomorrow for an engineering job, head of HR then VP of engineering then direct manager (who interviewed me before) + prospective colleague. Figure it's mostly about culture and fit at this point, since I went through the technical stuff first time round, so I'm reading up on corporate values etc. Probably have it if I want it, but I'm so poo poo about negotiating pay that my last job had to convince me to take more than I asked for. I'm getting conflicting advice on when to bring it up and how to price myself, I'm figuring that if I have to buy a car to get to the new (further away) job then I should be adding that in some way, and figure in value to me of no longer being able to cycle to work. Any thoughts or useful links?
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lookslikerain posted:Second interview tomorrow for an engineering job, head of HR then VP of engineering then direct manager (who interviewed me before) + prospective colleague. How to negotiate offers? thread The basics: 1. Never volunteer your current salary or your target salary. If asked, say that you can figure that out after you determine whether or not you're a good fit. 2. Know your industry average and have a reasonable target salary. Do research. 3. It doesn't matter what you want (car, bike to work, etc), it only matters what value you provide to the company. Negotiate on these points. 4. Hiring candidates for white collar jobs is expensive and time consuming. Truly good hires aren't that common, especially from open postings/blind resumes. You have considerable standing for negotiation if you make it through the interview successfully because the hiring manager doesn't know when the next good candidate is going to come along or how much she'll have to pay them. So giving an extra $5k up front is preferential to possibly waiting 6 weeks to fill the position. Dik Hz fucked around with this message at 11:55 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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After being flown out for an interview, and then being asked for references, today I get a call. The lady leaves an extremely ominous message saying she would like to have a "follow up conversation" about the interview. I kinda feel like I am about to be rejected. I've called twice and left a message, but I am getting no response. How many times a day should I call? Should I just try again tomorrow? EDIT: HOLY poo poo I GOT THE loving JOB OFFER WHAT!?!?!?!?!?! AM I ABOUT TO BE A loving ENGINEER HOLY CRAP! Xeom fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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^once a day, in the morning before the day floods them I'm looking for advice, specifically from Finance goons. I have an interview with a Director of Cost Accounting and need to know more or less where his mind is going to be regarding my application. Background: - I already had my 1st interview with the hiring Manager. It went really really well. - This job would require a relocation, which I'm already onboard with. Relocating costs are covered. - Before my first interview, they asked me for and subsequently accepted my salary requirements. - The job will revolve around automating invoices for faster processing and money-savings (2% 10, Net 30 aka we pay an invoice early, we get a discount) and some admin support. I won't have direct reports on paper but I will be a point of leadership for the hiring manager. I have an MBA background and am brushing up on various accounting-related concepts just as GAAP, SOX, invoicing terms, and am about to get into basic accounting ratios. Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
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Chalets the Baka posted:Does anyone have any impressive cover letters/examples? Mine is too stiff, doesn't flow the way I want it to, and I need some inspiration. Good Afternoon Richard: I discovered that SA was opening a new office in Pooptown to support the expansion of the Grenade brand. I am excited to submit my candidacy for the Mangosteen Grower position and to compete for the opportunity to join SA in this very exciting chapter. I became interested in SA because (bla bla bla) My studies in Hairweaving at Liberal Bastion College has provided me with tools and knowledge that would make me a great asset to SA and its stakeholders. (bla bla bla) If you have any questions regarding my application, I would appreciate the opportunity to address them. Respectfully yours, Chalets the Baka Basically you open by identifying the position you are applying for. Make it interesting. Then you highlight the things about the company and/or position that drew you in like a moth to the proverbial flame. Then you throw in what makes you the value-add candidate. What sets you apart? What do you bring to the table that someone else wouldn't? Round it out with an appeal to your confidence.
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Tangentially related to this thread, I'm flying cross-country for a job interview next week and I was wondering if anybody has tips on how to bring a suit without wrinkling it. Buying a garment bag is the obvious thing to do, but it seems like a waste to spend 50 bucks on something I'll only use a couple times. How bad will it look if I just carefully fold my suit and put it in a normal suitcase?
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Xyven posted:Tangentially related to this thread, I'm flying cross-country for a job interview next week and I was wondering if anybody has tips on how to bring a suit without wrinkling it. Buying a garment bag is the obvious thing to do, but it seems like a waste to spend 50 bucks on something I'll only use a couple times. How bad will it look if I just carefully fold my suit and put it in a normal suitcase? Every hotel room in the Western Hemisphere has an iron in it.
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You can't just iron a suit jacket though. Wear the suit pants and jacket on the plane, hang them up in the bathroom while you shower after you get there. Iron the shirt like you normally would before going to a job interview. You can iron suit pants if you have to, and there are technics to iron suit jackets in extremis, but steam is a much better option.
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If all else fails, roll it up to pack it instead of folding it so there aren't any crease lines. This is how I've traveled with suits to interviews and it's been fine. Regardless of how you pack it make sure you unpack it immediately as soon as you get to your hotel room and you should be fine.
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Suave Fedora posted:Good Afternoon Richard: Basically a cover letter explains why the addressed is receiving the resume. Rule #1: Do not rehash your resume, or state any facts that are on your resume. State that you're interested in the position of <x> which you found by <y, state WHY you are interested in the company and position, and why you make a good candidate. If you were referred definitely state that in your introduction e.g. "I was referred to you by Jane Smith, who I worked with at Abc Superconductors". Different industries obviously have different norms so you kinda gotta research the position a little. For example I hire people well full knowing they'll probably leave for a better position in 1-2 years and that is totally cool with me, I'm more looking for people that can deal with repetitive work but also has a brain and can troubleshoot and repair lab instruments. So for a entry-level chemist position I have open "I really enjoyed working on the instrumental side of the bench in undergrad" means a lot more than "I want to stay at your company a billion years and then retire there!" Unless you're in a hard salesy position like insurance marketing or something you don't need to appeal to your confidence. Also for gods sakes don't add meaningless fluff like "I am a goal-oriented team player who doesn't mind wearing a lot of different hats". Anybody can say that, it doesn't mean anything.
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Suave Fedora posted:I'm looking for advice, specifically from Finance goons. Halp. The interview is Friday.
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Xandu posted:Your work experience descriptions are very generic, try to beef them up a bit. Maybe put your education up top if you're applying to jobs where it's an asset. Thanks! I guess I'm having a hard time keeping things short and sweet while also being detailed. Like there's actually a lot that goes on with the parking office job, but I have no idea how to sum that up without being generic. Also, do you think it would be a mark against me that I interned for a women's organization? I know you're supposed to keep identifying clubs and stuff off, but I got a lot of great work experience out it. It's a little frustrating because my name is gender neutral and I don't know how many men intern at women-focused organizations.
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Tea.EarlGrey.Hot. posted:Thanks! I guess I'm having a hard time keeping things short and sweet while also being detailed. Like there's actually a lot that goes on with the parking office job, but I have no idea how to sum that up without being generic. Who told you that would look bad? Go for it. Also I don't think there's any problems identifying clubs if it's applicable. Edit: if the concern is that the organization does political advocacy, maybe there are some companies/interviewers who would dismiss you, but I'd still include it.
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Xandu posted:Who told you that would look bad? Go for it. I definitely agree that people *shouldn't* discriminate on stuff like that. Unfortunately, lovely hiring managers try to stick their own personal belief systems into everything rather than hiring the candidate best for the job. Tea.EarlGrey.Hot.: I can't possibly think of anyone holding your experience as a mark against you unless they are some level 9000 misogynist. But if for example you worked at a pro-choice organization a lot of people may very well hold that against you. It's a possibility that his resume might land on the desk of a devout bible-thumper who will fling it away as soon as they get to that line, regardless of whether or not he got great work experience from it. It really sucks but it's the way some people do their screening. Same with LGBT-oriented nonprofits, NORML or other pro-marijuana legalization, hell working in the billing department of a porn company processing payments can even get you binned. Its really just company specific. Like if you organized the gay pride parade it's probably not a good idea to submit that as an accomplishment to a company with "traditional Catholic values".
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Xandu posted:Who told you that would look bad? Go for it. seacat posted:I definitely agree that people *shouldn't* discriminate on stuff like that. Unfortunately, lovely hiring managers try to stick their own personal belief systems into everything rather than hiring the candidate best for the job. Thanks for the clarification!  I guess I was overthinking it.
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I'd like a second opinion, I'm getting help to work on a new resume for me and I haven't worked in IT for almost 4 years now with a mix of electronics and cellphone jobs mixed in more recently. I'm looking to get into an entry level position with no formal education other than a few lovely certs and a vocational class I took years ago. I was told to put my independent work in as experience and they recommended I put it at the top of the resume. Do people usually do independent experience? It's stuff I've definitely done a lot of work in over the last several years, but do employers look up to that sort of work?
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Lblitzer posted:I'd like a second opinion, I'm getting help to work on a new resume for me and I haven't worked in IT for almost 4 years now with a mix of electronics and cellphone jobs mixed in more recently. I'm looking to get into an entry level position with no formal education other than a few lovely certs and a vocational class I took years ago. I was told to put my independent work in as experience and they recommended I put it at the top of the resume. Do people usually do independent experience? It's stuff I've definitely done a lot of work in over the last several years, but do employers look up to that sort of work? I got a bunch of IT-focused interviews putting my "company" that I've done in-home IT stuff like virus removal, replacing harddrives, building computer for friends etc down as an "employer", as it shows i know how to do break/fix stuff and basic computer janitor stuff. Downside is i'm management at the position i just left, and apparently I'm overqualified to be a basic computer janitor. I'm having a lot of trouble coming up with tactful ways to say why I left my job (I got sick of payroll constantly being late, and then outright bouncing twice, and at least unemployment is income coming in), I've been hedging around it with responses like "I've reached the most senior position available within the company (truth - I'm the only one under the owner) and I feel that at my young age I'd rather move down to a junior position that has more opportunities for future growth." but that i know lost me at least one job when i found out that I'd be a subcontractor to a subcontractor and the guy straight up said "yeah, there is no growth potential, I'm sorry, I figured I'd let you know right now." I kept on through the interview like it wasn't a problem, (it really isn't, it would've been a nice pay raise) but i never heard from them again and figure that is why.
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Question - I've found a small consulting company that I think I would really like to work for, and they had two positions open: Project Manager and Associate Project Manager. Associate Manager seemed to be the slightly junior of the two, and I have about 5 years work experience, so I went with applying for Associate Project Manager. A day later, it looks like they do not have the link for "Associate Project Manager" on their "open positions" section of their website anymore (and also not on Idealist, which is weird because Idealist doesn't say that they ever posted it but I swear they did). I think I'm also probably qualified for the non-Associate Project Manager role. Should I attempt to edit my cover letter slightly and re-apply, and say something like "I previously submitted an application for Associate, but would also like to be considered for Project Manager", or should I just chill because it's only been a single day, and if I don't hear a response in like a week, try for the Project Manager? It should be noted that by "small" I mean I think they have <40 people total, so all applications probably go to the same person. SgtScruffy fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Nov 7, 2014 |
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SgtScruffy posted:Question - I've found a small consulting company that I think I would really like to work for, and they had two positions open: Project Manager and Associate Project Manager. Associate Manager seemed to be the slightly junior of the two, and I have about 5 years work experience, so I went with applying for Associate Project Manager. Yes, chill for at least a week. You have no idea why the posting has been erased. It depends on their hiring process. Maybe they gather a bunch of resumes and then take down the posting when interviewing (dumb, but I've seen it done before) or maybe they did hire someone or maybe they eliminated the position or maybe they deleted by accident or whatever. You don't really know. Also applying for the more senior position, man I don't know. I'm trying to think of a scenario in which it doesn't scream "I'm applying to everything that will get me into the company" but just drawing a blank. The truth is, if they think you're too qualified for the associate manager role and they know how to hire well they'll offer to interview you for the more senior position anyway (and vice versa). In this small of a company it just doesn't make sense to me to send two applications. It really depends on the job posting and your resume/cover letter and your experience so it's hard to draw generalities. If you do apply for PM wait at least a week or two. Project Manager/Account Manager is just such a general title it's really hard to give advice, heheh. Like 50% of the people I've met in the professional world have that title.
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seacat posted:Yes, chill for at least a week. You have no idea why the posting has been erased. It depends on their hiring process. Maybe they gather a bunch of resumes and then take down the posting when interviewing (dumb, but I've seen it done before) or maybe they did hire someone or maybe they eliminated the position or maybe they deleted by accident or whatever. You don't really know. That's very fair. I'd assume, like you said, that if they did like what they saw for the "easier" position, but had already hired someone or something along those lines, then they'd say "well, he may be good enough for the 'harder' position". I just really like the sound of this company and I got nervous and needed someone to tell me it's OK, that's all. Thanks 
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