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Prince John posted:It should be easy to see why a government with a weakly recovering economy might be concerned about businesses being hit with massive retrospective payments that they haven't budgeted for. The abuse of overtime and the lowballing of contract hours is their fault though. Hard to feel sympathy over this.
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sebzilla posted:Nobody's asked this in a while, and I am in need. Who's cheap and not poo poo at giving me internets? Also, who's cheap but not a complete bastard when it comes to electricity/gas? I'm with Virgin for internet, as they do internet only without the line rental (£27 for 50mb, no cap connection, which is a bit much for just me, but the upgrade from 30mb was free)- only thing is the 'SuperHub' is poo poo as a router, but works well as a modem with my own router daisy-chaining off it Energy- if you're a low user (under about £2500 a year on gas and electricity), Ebico are the only (I think) supplier that don't have a standing charge. I changed from eOn to British Gas a couple of years ago and saw my bill almost double due to the monthly standing charge- since switching to Ebico, it's down to about 80% of what I was paying with eOn. (edit) they also charge the same, no matter how you pay - everyone else charges more for pre-pay meters
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kapparomeo posted:State pensions are a separate category on that pie chart, though. Me dumb. Editing. e: As ukle points out below, though, the presentation is still very eyeroll-worthy. Jack the Lad fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Nov 4, 2014 |
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Nov 4, 2014 16:44
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kapparomeo posted:State pensions are a separate category on that pie chart, though. There are 2 parts that make up a lot of peoples state pension. One part comes from the Welfare budget. It is just massive party politics the way they have constructed that chart, as it doesn't break down the fact that one of the biggest (or biggest haven't got time to check exactly) chunks of Welfare spending is on Working Tax Credits i.e. helping businesses pay a none living wage.
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kapparomeo posted:State pensions are a separate category on that pie chart, though. State pensions are, but a lot of Public Sector pensions are still stuffed into the Welfare section to make it appear larger. It's a political number fiddling exercise, but then of course it is.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:23
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Christ thats horrible, the rabble rousing bastards. Its so simplistic and pejorative ... it gets my gander up gosh darn it! "Ugg, look fukin more spent on fukin gypsys and forens than schools, fukin country" ect
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Nov 4, 2014 17:36
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What a terrible day to be working in an hmrc call center. Just joking, every day is crap working in an hmrc call center.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:39
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I want to see the breakdown of "welfare", specifically how much goes on housing benefit paid to private landlords who decide how much to charge their tenants and hence how much they get to claim if their tenants are unemployed.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:39
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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/04/eric-pickles-tower-hamlets-london-boroughquote:The communities secretary, Eric Pickles, has taken over the administration of Tower Hamlets council in east London for two years after an inquiry commissioned by his department found wholesale mismanagement, questionable grant-giving and a failure to secure best value for local taxpayers.
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MPs are currently debating the Nordic model, alongside gangmasters legislation. From what the current Shadow Home Office Minister is saying, Labour are going to whip for it.
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Nov 4, 2014 17:46
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hookerbot 5000 posted:If businesses had used overtime the way that it arguably should be used - as a top up when work is unseasonably busy or to cover illness for example - then the retrospective bill wouldn't be that much. It's the businesses that employ and pay people holiday pay on 20 hour contracts when their average working week is closer to 40 that will be hit with big bills and it wouldn't have happened in the first place if they used contracts that accurately reflected the amount of work the employee would be doing. Now, what we need is the legal case that the ruling should be applied to zero hour contracts. 
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TinTower posted:MPs are currently debating the Nordic model, alongside gangmasters legislation. From what the current Shadow Home Office Minister is saying, Labour are going to whip for it. I've seen you talking about this a little bit over the past few weeks and I think I'm right in saying you're against whatever is being proposed, but I don't really know enough about it. Would you be able to post a very basic paragraph explaining what is going on?
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Jedit posted:Now, what we need is the legal case that the ruling should be applied to zero hour contracts. I think people on zero hour contracts get their holiday pay that way already https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/holiday-pay-the-basics quote:
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thehustler posted:I've seen you talking about this a little bit over the past few weeks and I think I'm right in saying you're against whatever is being proposed, but I don't really know enough about it. Would you be able to post a very basic paragraph explaining what is going on? The Nordic model is criminalising the purchase of sexual services. Sweden instituted such a law in 1999, and other Nordic countries very quickly followed suit. The claim is that it'll protect women from violent clients and police harassment, and politicians who support the Nordic model also table motions to decrminalise loitering and solicitation for the purposes of prostitution. That said, it doesn't work at all. All it does is export violence against sex workers overseas and the coppers are still, well, bastards to sex workers. It's also very concerning that one of the biggest proponents of the model in the UK and Ireland, a charity called Ruhama, is formed of two religious orders that the Irish government are chasing up to compensate survivors of the Magdalene asylums.
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When there is talk of how things that might benefit workers are a threat to the economy remember that to keep bankers and banks OK they did everything they absolutely could in spite of the tremendous damage they had done to the economy. Which parts of the economy get support due to government errors or failings of that sector is an immensely politicised issue. The government is not "only being reasonable" in choosing to limit how much workers can benefit from this judgement as heavily as possible, they are making a deliberate choice to value workers in the financial sector far more highly than workers in other sectors.
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Nov 4, 2014 18:07
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TinTower posted:That said, it doesn't work at all. All it does is export violence against sex workers overseas and the coppers are still, well, bastards to sex workers. I believe you, and I know you are very well informed about such issues, but I am admittedly having some trouble understanding how violence gets exported. Surely your average john doesn't have close to the resources or motivation to sod off to another country?
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ReV VAdAUL posted:The government is not "only being reasonable" in choosing to limit how much workers can benefit from this judgement as heavily as possible, they are making a deliberate choice to value workers in the financial sector far more highly than workers in other sectors.
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Shelf Adventure posted:What a terrible day to be working in an hmrc call center. The experience of dealing with workers in HMRC call centers isn't exactly one of unbounded joy either.
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I have to say I've always been relatively impressed by HMRC's helpline, and they've always been able to explain stuff to my satisfaction in the course of a single call.
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Mister Adequate posted:I believe you, and I know you are very well informed about such issues, but I am admittedly having some trouble understanding how violence gets exported. Surely your average john doesn't have close to the resources or motivation to sod off to another country? Sex tourism is a massive thing. Look at the amount of brothels just on the border of Nevada and other states.
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Nov 4, 2014 18:22
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TinTower posted:Sex tourism is a massive thing. Look at the amount of brothels just on the border of Nevada and other states. Likewise Amsterdam, and a lot of the 'stag nights' end up in Eastern Europe for the same reason.
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Nov 4, 2014 18:28
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Obliterati posted:Likewise Amsterdam, and a lot of the 'stag nights' end up in Eastern Europe for the same reason. Well I guess the price of beer/vodka is also a big factor
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Gerry Adams supports Maria Cahill coming forwards but the whole thing is being used as a smear campaign against him by the the Irish government. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/gerry-adams-alleges-coalition-smear-campaign-over-cahill-1.1987688 Fun fact: you can tell Gerry Adams is lying by the fact his mouth is open.
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Jack the Lad posted:I have to say I've always been relatively impressed by HMRC's helpline, and they've always been able to explain stuff to my satisfaction in the course of a single call. Yeah as long as they aren't striking I've had only good service. I do wish I could update my details online and not have to wait 30min to get to a human and then wait 3 days while a paper check clears.
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TinTower posted:The Nordic model is criminalising the purchase of sexual services. Sweden instituted such a law in 1999, and other Nordic countries very quickly followed suit. The claim is that it'll protect women from violent clients and police harassment, and politicians who support the Nordic model also table motions to decrminalise loitering and solicitation for the purposes of prostitution. There is basically no data on this. I've checked extensively. There is no data to support what you're saying. The one known fact of this matter is that the law depresses somewhat the demand of prostitution compared to an unregulated market. The debate on this law is so full of bullshit that it's hard to tell anything.
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Well, if there's no data then the next best thing would be to go ask the sex workers what it is they want done.
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V. Illych L. posted:The one known fact of this matter is that the law depresses somewhat the demand of prostitution compared to an unregulated market. Well, everyone except Richard Littlejohn.
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V. Illych L. posted:There is basically no data on this. I've checked extensively. There is no data to support what you're saying. The one known fact of this matter is that the law depresses somewhat the demand of prostitution compared to an unregulated market. The debate on this law is so full of bullshit that it's hard to tell anything. Even that's not really true; the Swedish government has said that "we cannot give any unambiguous answer to [the question of whether prostitution has increased or decreased]. At most, we can discern that street prostitution is slowly returning, after swiftly disappearing in the wake of the law."
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Presumably the law mainly puts off the less dangerous men in any case. Chalk up another victory for policy based on wishful thinking.
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Jack the Lad posted:I have to say I've always been relatively impressed by HMRC's helpline, and they've always been able to explain stuff to my satisfaction in the course of a single call. Likewise. Called once, got someone who was actively helpful and knowledgeable, telling me what I called for wasn't what I wanted and pointing me in the right direction. Plus in the letter she sent me with what I needed she mentioned I'd overpaid on tax and included a cheque with a rebate. 10/10 would call again.
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Guavanaut posted:Does it decrease violence against sex workers compared to a well regulated market though? Decreasing demand is only a selling point if you believe that all sex work is inherently bad, whereas decreasing violence against sex workers (including trafficking and forced work as violence) is something I'd hope everyone believes is a good thing. Not enough data. The recent Norwegian report on the issue demonstrates a drop in the amount of violence, but that might just be because of the lowered demand. There are also issues with data collection and, probably, sex workers not trusting the police. There're also a host of issues with the relatively international nature of the sex market, cultural taboos et cetera. TinTower posted:Even that's not really true; the Swedish government has said that "we cannot give any unambiguous answer to [the question of whether prostitution has increased or decreased]. At most, we can discern that street prostitution is slowly returning, after swiftly disappearing in the wake of the law." The Norwegian government commissioned a report on this, and that was their only finding without conditionals coming out of its arse. I actually sat down with the numbers and ran them myself. That conclusion, barring absolutely massive bias in the numbers, holds.
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TinTower posted:Sex tourism is a massive thing. Look at the amount of brothels just on the border of Nevada and other states. Granted, but I was thinking of those as either rare (for a given john) going on a stag do or what have you - or due to people who live in New Mexico and such. If you live ten minutes from the border then yes, totally, but if you are cruising around at night looking to get your rocks off, you're not going to drive from Seattle to Nevada or fly from Brum to Amsterdam, surely? I was drawing a distinction between regular sex tourism and violence against sex workers though, but I am just not well enough informed (or currently in good enough health) to really know whether that is valid. Even if such laws do externalize that sort of behavior, is there any law that would solve the problem of violence against sex workers? The problems arising from different jurisdictions having different laws will always exist, and if someone is so determined to be a shitlord that they will go to another country or state for it I imagine they will still find ways even in a system of global legalization.
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Zephro posted:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/04/eric-pickles-tower-hamlets-london-borough The more cynical would suggest it's to do with the court case/judicial review of BOZZER LEGERND calling in the Riverside South and City Pride developments after even the notoriously pliant LBTH planning committee refused them as being outrageously out of scale for the area, having zero community provision, and proposing to build the affordable housing portion in, erm, Dagenham. LBTH has been up to all sorts of dodgy poo poo for years now but a lot of people find the timing pretty loving coincidental.
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As someone who used to work on the phones a few years back - cheers guys. 
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Mister Adequate posted:Granted, but I was thinking of those as either rare (for a given john) going on a stag do or what have you - or due to people who live in New Mexico and such. If you live ten minutes from the border then yes, totally, but if you are cruising around at night looking to get your rocks off, you're not going to drive from Seattle to Nevada or fly from Brum to Amsterdam, surely? I was drawing a distinction between regular sex tourism and violence against sex workers though, but I am just not well enough informed (or currently in good enough health) to really know whether that is valid. In New Zealand, decrminalisation has actually helped sex workers get access to standard labour rights, and without quasi-legalities, there isn't any scope for the police to harass them.
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The Nordic model was just rejected. For a very detailed breakdown of why the Nordic model is full of poo poo, read the briefing here. The URL looks a bit dodgy but is in fact a legitimate site!
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TinTower posted:In New Zealand, decrminalisation has actually helped sex workers get access to standard labour rights, and without quasi-legalities, there isn't any scope for the police to harass them. On the whole I'm all for legalisation, but there's one part of it that niggles me. If sex work becomes a legitimate job, and we live in a society in which the labour supply outweighs requirements, do you eventually hit a point where women (or men, really) can be legally coerced into prostitution? I can't help but imagine the DWP official sanctioning someone, saying 'well, you didn't turn up at the interview we arranged for you at [X brothel].' I guess it would fall under the same remit as stripping/escorting, so the trade would probably be legally barred from advertising via Jobcentres etc. Still, I do feel there's a danger to normalising work like this. You don't want to force people to choose between selling themselves and being a 'scrounger' on any level. No matter how flawed that thinking is, it isn't much of a jump to make from the current accepted narrative.
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It's a bit of a slippery slope analogy, there'll still be massive stigma against sex-work that - while not literally stopping IDS and the likes from forcing the work on someone on pains of sanction - will make anyone who even entertains the idea a massive detriment to their party's image, and the party wouldn't let them do it. And that's ignoring the rape-by-coercion laws in place (because I don't know them).
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goddamnedtwisto posted:The more cynical would suggest it's to do with the court case/judicial review of BOZZER LEGERND calling in the Riverside South and City Pride developments after even the notoriously pliant LBTH planning committee refused them as being outrageously out of scale for the area, having zero community provision, and proposing to build the affordable housing portion in, erm, Dagenham.
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Spooky Hyena posted:rape-by-coercion laws in place That's a very good point and not something I had considered.
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