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Brown Moses: Feb 22, 2002

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

drat, the video is private.

It's online here
http://www.rtlxl.nl/#!/u/dabac19c-8857-a47e-0cbb-a31fb7c288d1

# ? Nov 7, 2014 18:02

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# ? Nov 7, 2014 18:09

Jarmak: Jan 24, 2005

Mightypeon posted:

Putin is a lot of things but incompetent? The dude oversaw the largest improvement in Russian living standarts during his decade, Russia moved from being a joke to something that is a credible threat, even if only on the defence and not always successfull, to the western hegemony.
In addition, journalists in Russia are actually safer now then under Yelzin. In terms of repression, Russia isnt that different from Adenauer Germany, which frankly is flaming liberal for Russian standarts. Of course, when Yelzin decides that murdering a bunch of Chechens who wanted what he gave to Belarus, Ukraine etc. for free is cool, he is "on a level with Abraham Lincoln", if Putin does the same but with a pretty decent Casus Belli and after having exhausted granting wideranging de facto indepdence, he is Hitler 2.0 .
Internationally, Russia scored a couple of "wins" under him, and was generally punching way above her weightclass. He also managed to keep Russia as one of the worlds 3 indepedent countries.

All of these are pretty serious and meningfull achievements.

He has major failings, especially his not so great handling of the infrastructure, and his education policy, but if he is "incompetent" then precisly who is "competent"? Only ones coming to mind are the Chinese.

Russia a threat? Why because they can be bad at pushing around bankrupt and isolated satellite states?

# ? Nov 7, 2014 18:20

Forums Terrorist: Dec 8, 2011

A homeless guy with a knife is still a threat to a SWAT trooper.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 18:56

Mightypeon: Oct 10, 2013; Putin apologist- assume all uncited claims are from Russia Today or directly from FSB.

key phrases: Poor plucky little Russia, Spheres of influence, The West is Worse, they was asking for it.

Pimpmust posted:

Let's not forget that Ukraine is having a hard rear end time too, being much like Russia but minus any oil revenues + a more or less active war going on inside its borders. More likely to get propped up in the short term from the outside, but this can't go on forever either.

I came across this article and while it's only the agricultural side it's interesting:
http://www.agrimoney.com/news/russia-ukraine-wheat-output-to-drop-10m-tonnes--7668.html

Seems like they are expecting a harsh winter too.

The thing is, Ukraine is what Russia would look like without someone managing to reign in the Oligarchs.
Ukraine had a couple of things going for them that Russia did not have (like, a lack of Chechens, not having to worry about Great power games with China etc.), had it been managed competently, they could have reached a level similiar to Poland.
Heck, even Lukashenko did a better job in Belarus then Ukrainian Oligarchiate did in Ukraine.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 18:58

Dilkington: Aug 6, 2010; "Al mio amore Dilkington, Gennaro"

Jarmak posted:

Russia a threat? Why because they can be bad at pushing around bankrupt and isolated satellite states?

Russia offers itself as a counter-balance to American hegemony. Right-wing parties share Russia's preference for a divided and isolated Europe, and a return to "traditional values." Notice the formal and informal relationship between Russia and parties like Lega Nord, FN, UKIP, etc.

Pat Buchanan and paleo-conservatives in America share a similar view of Putin- a bulwark against decadent liberalism. And I take it Buchanan is still read in Russia.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 19:02

Mightypeon: Oct 10, 2013; Putin apologist- assume all uncited claims are from Russia Today or directly from FSB.

key phrases: Poor plucky little Russia, Spheres of influence, The West is Worse, they was asking for it.

Jarmak posted:

Russia a threat? Why because they can be bad at pushing around bankrupt and isolated satellite states?

Ehmm, are you serious?
You are talking about the worlds premier nuclear power, with propably the worlds 3rd strongest conventional army.

I mean, I get that the US military sees itself as the best warfighters ever because they were like, totally successfull in their recent venues.

If you want some extra information, this is a good starting point.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/russias-military-back-9181

# ? Nov 7, 2014 19:04

Mightypeon: Oct 10, 2013; Putin apologist- assume all uncited claims are from Russia Today or directly from FSB.

key phrases: Poor plucky little Russia, Spheres of influence, The West is Worse, they was asking for it.

Dilkington posted:

Russia offers itself as a counter-balance to American hegemony. Right-wing parties share Russia's preference for a divided and isolated Europe, and a return to "traditional values." Notice the formal and informal relationship between Russia and parties like Lega Nord, FN, UKIP, etc.

Pat Buchanan and paleo-conservatives in America share a similar view of Putin- a bulwark against decadent liberalism. And I take it Buchanan is still read in Russia.

Which has a tendency to result in Russians greatly overestimating how much support Buchanan et al. actually have.
Left wing parties by the way would also like for the US to mind its own buisness, not to speak of (far more important in global terms) aspiring great and regional powers who are like, really really happy about Russia being the Anti-American wavebreaker, especially if they can improve their economies by filling the void western companies vacated due to sanctions.

One should add that Russia is completely willing to give any "void filler" who is not Chinese a really good deal, because overdependence of China is something they very much want to avoid.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 19:10

TeodorMorozov: May 27, 2013

Forgall posted:

Cockroaches are good at surviving, but not much else.

We'll see it after midnight. Oh.. no, you'll not.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 20:07

Dreissi: Feb 14, 2007; College Slice

Mightypeon posted:

In addition, journalists in Russia are actually safer now then under Yelzin. In terms of repression, Russia isnt that different from Adenauer Germany, which frankly is flaming liberal for Russian standarts.

Could you source this? I would be curious to see the numbers behind the claim.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 20:16

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Dreissi posted:

Could you source this? I would be curious to see the numbers behind the claim.

It helps when you purge anyone attempting reform; fewer folks will attempt it in the future, until a critical mass of resentment is reached at which time the reformers get killed both by the regime and by the angry peasants.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 20:19

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

Mightypeon posted:

Ehmm, are you serious?
You are talking about the worlds premier nuclear power, with propably the worlds 3rd strongest conventional army.

But that's quite independent of Putin's actions as head of state/government/military/media/everything. It was already the case before him. The only thing that has changed is that now it's relevant because it prevents taking action directly against Russia, whereas before there was no real reason to want to take action so whether or not they had deterrence power simply did not matter.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 20:34

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

My Imaginary GF posted:

It helps when you purge anyone attempting reform; fewer folks will attempt it in the future, until a critical mass of resentment is reached at which time the reformers get killed both by the regime and by the angry peasants.

In other words, they're safe because they're now too afraid of being killed to do anything that would result in Putin wanting to have them killed. That battered wife-asking-for-it metaphor is rearing its head again.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 20:37

my dad: Oct 17, 2012; this shall be humorous

TeodorMorozov posted:

We'll see it after midnight. Oh.. no, you'll not.

Is this a threat?

# ? Nov 7, 2014 20:58

Dolash: Oct 23, 2008; aNYWAY,
tHAT'S REALLY ALL THERE IS,
tO REPORT ON THE SUBJECT,
oF ME GETTING HURT,

Teodor's every post is a threat along the lines of "Try and stop us", he's making a bad enough case for Russia it almost sounds like someone just pretending to be a Russian nationalist to give them a bad name. I mean, there are clearly Russian nationalists out there but we don't usually engage with them directly.

There's almost a desire to excuse him in a paternalist, "he knows not what he does" sort of way - I mean, why get angry with him for holding terrible opinions he is clearly being manipulated into holding? Isn't that just what Putin and his regime wants? A hardening of nationalist sentiment along both sides of the divide?

# ? Nov 7, 2014 21:23

Mc Do Well: Aug 2, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

America and Russia shouldn't nuke each other. They should nuke ISIL and reap the economic benefits of rebuilding the Middle East.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 21:30

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McDowell posted:

America and Russia shouldn't nuke each other. They should nuke ISIL and reap the economic benefits of rebuilding the Middle East.

Well I suppose you can still drill for oil through glass...

# ? Nov 7, 2014 21:32

my dad: Oct 17, 2012; this shall be humorous

Dolash posted:

Teodor's every post is a threat along the lines of "Try and stop us", he's making a bad enough case for Russia it almost sounds like someone just pretending to be a Russian nationalist to give them a bad name. I mean, there are clearly Russian nationalists out there but we don't usually engage with them directly.

There's almost a desire to excuse him in a paternalist, "he knows not what he does" sort of way - I mean, why get angry with him for holding terrible opinions he is clearly being manipulated into holding? Isn't that just what Putin and his regime wants? A hardening of nationalist sentiment along both sides of the divide?

In this particular instance, he's specifically making GBS threads on another Russian with what seems to be a vague threat.

I'm asking you again, Teodor, was that a threat?

# ? Nov 7, 2014 21:33

Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

Teddy's lovely English makes it easy to dismiss him as a someone with a severe learning disability as opposed to the genuinely unpleasant sack of poo poo his opinions indicate him to be.

To be honest I'm constantly amazed that his level of posting is apparently acceptable in D&D.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 21:43

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

my dad posted:

Is this a threat?

The threat is that after midnight he's going to post more.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 21:58

Dreissi: Feb 14, 2007; College Slice

In other news, Putin has made the cut for Person of the Year again:

http://www.advocate.com/year-review/2014/11/06/advocates-person-year-vladimir-putin

# ? Nov 7, 2014 22:01

Forgall: Oct 16, 2012; by Azathoth

Dreissi posted:

In other news, Putin has made the cut for Person of the Year again:

http://www.advocate.com/year-review/2014/11/06/advocates-person-year-vladimir-putin

Russians don't really need to be told by government to be homophobic. If anything, government is trying to show it hates gays enough for the Russians' liking.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 22:05

Wistful of Dollars: Aug 25, 2009

TeodorMorozov posted:

We'll see it after midnight. Oh.. no, you'll not.

Yes, please do clarify what you mean.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 22:30

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Discendo Vox posted:

In other words, they're safe because they're now too afraid of being killed to do anything that would result in Putin wanting to have them killed. That battered wife-asking-for-it metaphor is rearing its head again.

Yes, and winter is coming.

Wonder when the ground in Ukraine will be sufficiently frozen to support Russian armored spearheads.

In other new, the Ruble continues to fall along with the rest of the world's petrocurrencies.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/11/07/Nigerian-currency-falls-as-oil-prices-drop/9001415375677/

China last seen accepting bribes to cease production of supertankers at its shipyards.

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# ? Nov 7, 2014 22:33

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Putin really doesn't have a sense of humor.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11212072/Russian-actor-and-Putin-critic-found-dead-in-Moscow.html

quote:

Russian actor and Putin critic found dead in Moscow
Police suspect foul play after Alexei Devotchenko, critic of Vladimir Putin, discovered "in pool of blood"

A well-known Russian actor who was a vocal critic of the Kremlin has been found dead in suspicious circumstances at his home in Moscow.

Alexei Devotchenko, 49, was discovered in his apartment in the north of the city, police told Russia news agencies.

"There is reason to suppose that the artist's death is of a criminal character," said one law enforcement source.

Mr Devotchenko was know for his roles in several popular television drama series such as "Bandit Petersburg" and "The Street of Broken Lamps" and in performances at the highly regarded Moscow Art Theatre.

Some reports said the actor was found by a friend in a pool of blood outside his home while others said he was inside the apartment.

Police said the scene was being investigated and there was no immediate confirmation of whether he had been murdered, or the potential motives of a killer.

However, Mr Devotchenko's outspoken criticism of the rule of Vladimir Putin, Russia's president, is likely to provoke intense scrutiny over how and why he died.

In 2011, the actor said he was renouncing two state acting prizes "received from Putin's hands", saying he was "ashamed". "I've had enough of all this tsar-state stuff," he wrote in a blog post. "With its lies, its cover-ups, its legalised theft, its bribe-taking and its other triumphs."
A year earlier he had urged fellow actors, artists and musicians to boycott "ultra-patriotic, propagandistic, chauvinistic, anti-Semitic, or pro-Stalinist feature films and television projects" and "agitprop documentaries".

He also called on them not to talk to "lying and tendentious state media" or to take part in Kremlin-linked banquets.

Money earned from such appearances, "smells of dank prison cells, of neglected hospitals and homeless shelters, of the acrid smoke of burnt-out architectural monuments and historical buildings and night clubs and homes for the elderly," he said.

"It smells of the boots of the OMON riot police."

Mr Devotchenko took part in several anti-Kremlin street demonstrations and was a member of the United Civil Front, an opposition group.
In March he signed an open letter of Russian cinema professionals condemning Russian military intervention in Ukraine.

Later on Wednesday evening, a source in the State Investigative Committee told Interfax there were no signs of violence on Mr Devotchenko's body, and he may have died by striking his head while drunk. LifeNews, a pro-Kremlin website with links to the law enforcement agencies, said he had cut his hand and then fallen and hit his head after suffering blood loss. It said empty whisky bottles and empty packets of a drug called Phenazepam were found near his body.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 22:47

El Perkele: Nov 7, 2002; I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

Shadoer posted:

Putin really doesn't have a sense of humor.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11212072/Russian-actor-and-Putin-critic-found-dead-in-Moscow.html

At least he was safer than under Yeltsin. But I guess he wasn't a journalist.

Mightypeon posted:

In addition, journalists in Russia are actually safer now then under Yelzin. In terms of repression, Russia isnt that different from Adenauer Germany, which frankly is flaming liberal for Russian standarts. Of course, when

# ? Nov 7, 2014 22:56

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Mightypeon posted:

He has major failings, especially his not so great handling of the infrastructure, and his education policy, but if he is "incompetent" then precisly who is "competent"? Only ones coming to mind are the Chinese.

lol
The results: infrastructure falling apart, rampant alcoholism and heroin abuse, put the middle class under his boot, absolutely ruined every single sign of an economy outside of oil-gas-timber-metals, started a war with a 'brotherly state' due to weird fantasies of restoring the USSR and turned them into enemies, economy crashing because oil is below $100 and my personal favorite: Sechin, leader of the national oil monopoly Rosneft, is asking for a bail out in the form OF THE WHOLE NATIONAL WEALTH FUND otherwise they're hosed (due to the war sanctions).

Putin is a massive, though previously lucky, gently caress up.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 23:14

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Somaen posted:

lol
The results: infrastructure falling apart, rampant alcoholism and heroin abuse, put the middle class under his boot, absolutely ruined every single sign of an economy outside of oil-gas-timber-metals, started a war with a 'brotherly state' due to weird fantasies of restoring the USSR and turned them into enemies, economy crashing because oil is below $100 and my personal favorite: Sechin, leader of the national oil monopoly Rosneft, is asking for a bail out in the form OF THE WHOLE NATIONAL WEALTH FUND otherwise they're hosed (due to the war sanctions).

Putin is a massive, though previously lucky, gently caress up.

Putin is extremely competent; it just happens that what he wants isn't in Russia's best interest.

Read the Russian Central Bank will be instituting measures for currency control. Wonder what that entails.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 23:19

Cuntpunch: Oct 3, 2003; A monkey in a long line of kings

Somaen posted:

and my personal favorite: Sechin, leader of the national oil monopoly Rosneft, is asking for a bail out in the form OF THE WHOLE NATIONAL WEALTH FUND otherwise they're hosed (due to the war sanctions).

I had to go look this one up:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-29/rosneft-third-quarter-profit-falls-to-near-zero-on-crude-price.html

A rapid drop to zero profit, combined with sanctions making it pretty much impossible to secure loans to payback their debts. Russia's going to have to dig deep to save it.

# ? Nov 7, 2014 23:42

El Perkele: Nov 7, 2002; I HAVE SHIT OPINIONS ON STAR WARS MOVIES!!!

I can't even call the right one bad.

Somaen posted:

lol
The results: infrastructure falling apart, rampant alcoholism and heroin abuse, put the middle class under his boot, absolutely ruined every single sign of an economy outside of oil-gas-timber-metals, started a war with a 'brotherly state' due to weird fantasies of restoring the USSR and turned them into enemies, economy crashing because oil is below $100 and my personal favorite: Sechin, leader of the national oil monopoly Rosneft, is asking for a bail out in the form OF THE WHOLE NATIONAL WEALTH FUND otherwise they're hosed (due to the war sanctions).

Putin is a massive, though previously lucky, gently caress up.

It's wartime, baby!

# ? Nov 7, 2014 23:48

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

El Perkele posted:

It's wartime, baby!

Watch Russia start a loving war over oil.

American liberals thought in 2003 that America went to war in Iraq over the price of oil being too high. In truth, countries don't give a poo poo about high oil prices; they go to war over lowering commodity prices after a prolonged period of price increases.

E:

http://rt.com/business/203087-putin-china-gas-deal/

Oh, RT. Its a work of PRAVDA to watch how you spin Russian dependancy on Chinese imports at sub-profitable rates as a good outcome for Putin.

Russia: Trading oil to China for USD at sub-profitable rates. If only Putin had realized how much less expensive it is to be an American bitch than a Chinese bitch, he might have stopped at Crimea for a few years. Ah well, I suppose that's off the cards for him now, and as I've stated previously, he'll have to go all in with Ukraine to secure Russian control over all Black Sea energy ownership.

I'm going to guess that NATO has some forces in Romania, or will soon enough. Will certainly make ME politics even more interesting and unstable as Russia moves to counter Sunni energy production.

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# ? Nov 7, 2014 23:49

Sergiu64: May 21, 2014

My Imaginary GF posted:

Watch Russia start a loving war over oil.

How many wars can it be in at once?

# ? Nov 8, 2014 00:35

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Sergiu64 posted:

How many wars can it be in at once?

What wars? Russia's not in any wars. What, what are you pointing at? Oh, that. That's not a war, and Russia's not involved. Maybe you need to have your media checked.

# ? Nov 8, 2014 00:42

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

Discendo Vox posted:

What wars? Russia's not in any wars. What, what are you pointing at? Oh, that. That's not a war, and Russia's not involved. Maybe you need to have your media checked.

The tanks aren't an invasion force. Russia just wanted to show Ukraine its new toys.

# ? Nov 8, 2014 01:13

Cuntpunch: Oct 3, 2003; A monkey in a long line of kings

chitoryu12 posted:

The tanks aren't an invasion force. Russia just wanted to show Ukraine its new toys.

Tanks, what tanks? Oh you mean the humanitarian aid. Those aren't tanks, they're water bottles.

# ? Nov 8, 2014 01:27

My Imaginary GF: Jul 17, 2005; by R. Guyovich

Cuntpunch posted:

Tanks, what tanks? Oh you mean the humanitarian aid. Those aren't tanks, they're water bottles.

There is no conflict in Ukraine. There is only Police Action authorized by UN due to US protest and inattendance at UN over Security Council vote on Israel.

# ? Nov 8, 2014 01:47

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Cuntpunch posted:

Tanks, what tanks? Oh you mean the humanitarian aid. Those aren't tanks, they're water bottles.

By tanks you must mean the Western Tanks used in the Iraq war.

# ? Nov 8, 2014 01:53

chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

My Imaginary GF posted:

There is no conflict in Ukraine. There is only Police Action authorized by UN due to US protest and inattendance at UN over Security Council vote on Israel.

This thread has grown to the point where I legitimately can't tell trolling responses from pro-Russian responses.

# ? Nov 8, 2014 02:21

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

We're not trolling- we're paraphrasing and mocking the Russian rhetoric on these issues.

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chitoryu12: Apr 24, 2014

Discendo Vox posted:

We're not trolling- we're paraphrasing and mocking the Russian rhetoric on these issues.

I should have included joke responses in that post.

# ? Nov 8, 2014 02:53

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