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Jedit posted:For this horse pun, you shall face my unbridled wrath.
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I would behoove the government to pony up the cash to maintain standards at the NHS now, rather than attempting to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted.
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sebzilla posted:I would behoove the government to pony up the cash to maintain standards at the NHS now, rather than attempting to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted. It's a complete night mare.
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Nov 8, 2014 15:56
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Here is my position on this matter
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Nov 8, 2014 16:44
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All this horsing around is really taking us at a quick gait away from the real issues.
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Nov 8, 2014 17:05
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Spangly A posted:Here is my position on this matter  haway the toon
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Nov 8, 2014 17:13
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Regarde Aduck posted:All good points that still feel hard to accept when compared to the incredible damage the Tories have done with their non-majority non-mandate. But that's hind sight I guess. I just think that absolutely anything should have been done to stop this last four years. It's not just the actual changes to policy. It's the constant poisoning of society. It has been nothing but the demonisation of the poor, the disabled, the foreign, the EU, Badgers. They've successfully turned us into a very negative culture. It would be interesting to see if the Daily Mail has sold better these last couple of years because I listen to people and they have nothing good to say. nothing happy about their own lives or anyone around them. They feel miserable and wish misery on others. It did not feel this bad even in the darkest days of Labour. The fuckers have barely governed the country and just seemed to put things on autopilot but as agents of changing society for the worst they've been amazingly successful. The UK is boomtown at the moment and is set to become Europe's second largest economy; good luck to anyone trying to prove it isn't due to the Conservatives. I think they've got the next election in the bag.
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Luckily the Tory right is dragging the party way beyond what most people would consider reasonable or fair. It could be a slam dunk for labour as long as no one does anything silly like vote for the greens or SNP.
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Burqa King posted:Luckily the Tory right is dragging the party way beyond what most people would consider reasonable or fair. It could be a slam dunk for labour as long as no one does anything silly like vote for the greens or SNP. It makes more sense for me to Vote Lib Dem in Brecon and Radnorshire than Labour. Labour's not done very well here the past few elections, it's usually a run between Conservatives and the Lib Dem's. If we're doing tactical voting now you should probably check who's actually likely to win the seat then vote for the one that isn't as much of a bastard. Voting SNP might be preferable over voting Labour if you don't want the Conservatives to win. The real question is if you're in a deeply Conservative area do you vote with your heart or thrown one at UKIP in the hope of further fracturing the Conservatives? Fans fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Nov 8, 2014 |
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Nov 8, 2014 17:50
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Burqa King posted:Luckily the Tory right is dragging the party way beyond what most people would consider reasonable or fair. It could be a slam dunk for labour as long as no one does anything silly like vote for the greens or SNP. I know it is early days, but as it stands I think Labour are going to lose their grip on Scotland.
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Fans posted:It makes more sense for me to Vote Lib Dem in Brecon and Radnorshire than Labour. Labour's not done very well here the past few elections, it's usually a run between Conservatives and the Lib Dem's. Cal it womens intuition, but I've got a feeling the lib dems aren't going to do terribly well this time round.
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Nov 8, 2014 18:07
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Burqa King posted:Cal it womens intuition, but I've got a feeling the lib dems aren't going to do terribly well this time round. In most places yes but Roger Williams is pretty well liked and voted against all the stuff that people hate the Lib Dems for voting for. Probably still going to lose it to the Conservatives but if he re-runs he's got a better chance than most.
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Nov 8, 2014 18:10
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Spangly A posted:Here is my position on this matter Amateur. 
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Leaked documents show the Police actively collaborated with anti-Union blacklist operations as recently as 2008: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/08/police-colluded-blacklist-construction-workers-consulting-association-union-activists quote:Scotland Yard has been accused of seeking to cover up its involvement in the blacklisting of more than 3,200 construction workers following the emergence of minutes of a meeting between a senior officer in its anti-extremism unit and the organisation running the list. But any suggestion police surveillance is used to undermine left wing organisations and unions is of course a conspiracy theory. COINTELRPO LOL!
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Leaked documents show the Police actively collaborated with anti-Union blacklist operations as recently as 2008: Well, yeah. Thats what the anti-extremism unit does when they aren't impregnating Green Peace activists.
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Don't punch horses guys, solidarity
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Nov 8, 2014 21:35
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That could be problematic.
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In wonder if they do the same with far right groups
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Nov 8, 2014 22:00
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Not wanting to die at work is "far left" now?
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/never-again-antiwar-veterans-to-carry-whitepoppy-wreath-to-cenotaph-9833246.htmlquote:'Never again': Anti-war veterans to carry white-poppy wreath to Cenotaph Theres a Q&A in the link with him.
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tooterfish posted:Not wanting to die at work is "far left" now? Of course environmental protesters aren't far left but right wingers are always trying to push the Overton window further to the right and hey, dismissing your opponents as extremists is a time honoured tradition for the right.
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Someone in Labour is really trying to knife Miliband. The EU payment story on Friday kicked the Labour problems out of the media cycle and back onto Tory problems, which if left alone would have been compounded even more this week in the run up to the by-election which the Tories will almost certainly lose, then the aftermath of which will be even worse for the Tories. There is a good summarisation here: http://www1.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2014/11/08/downing-street-might-have-just-saved-ed-miliband/ All Labour had to do was stay quiet. Now this: Ed Miliband in new crisis as senior Labour MPs back a leadership change quote:Ed Miliband’s Labour party leadership was plunged into fresh crisis as senior Labour MPs revealed that at least 20 shadow ministers were on the brink of calling for him to stand down. If he is going to get kicked out it is going to be now. twoot fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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Unless they're deliberately throwing the election this is dumb as hell. The public may not like Miliband but they'll hate the backstabbing lying politician that replaces him. The right wing media will make sure of that. I would guess they think they can keep their current poll standing and get a boost and a honeymoon period from a more popular leader. Instead they'll learn traitors aren't very popular. Assuming Johnson doesn't take the position (he's had ample chance if he wants it) and they do much more damage to Miliband they're stuck with thug Balls or perhaps Blairite Burnham. If UKIP has pleased Satan sufficiently Umunna might become leader, he alienates working class whites on policy and by being black!
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The thing is, exactly who is going to take over? Labour are probably actively trying to throw the election at this moment.
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Why would Labour intentionally try to lose a general election?
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big scary monsters posted:Why would Labour intentionally try to lose a general election? There is a semi-serious argument that the Tories have by accident or design created a number of major problems that will occur over the next five years. If Labour are in power when they go off it will cement the idea Labour can't be trusted with the economy. Of course even then it would be best for the population that Labour were in power when things went bad because in 2007 they tried to fix things rather than go full disaster capitalism on the nation. Labour as a going concern would be better off out of government though. Really though, it provides some comfort to think the least bad party aren't utterly incompetent assholes.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:There is a semi-serious argument that the Tories have by accident or design created a number of major problems that will occur over the next five years. If Labour are in power when they go off it will cement the idea Labour can't be trusted with the economy. They said this about Black Wednesday too. Winning in 1992 was a poisoned chalice for the Conservatives - if Labour had been in power when the ERM failed then their reputation for profligate economic incompetence would have been reconfirmed and it would have utterly destroyed the party for a generation. As it was though, even though a Kinnock government would have gone into the ERM in exactly the same way and suffered exactly the same disaster, they were able to pass through unscathed and give a body-blow to the Conservatives' status as careful stewards of state. kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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Keeping Miliband as leader counts as throwing the election as well, he is unelectable and most of his party know it. It's worth taking the chance on a replacement.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:There is a semi-serious argument that the Tories have by accident or design created a number of major problems that will occur over the next five years. If Labour are in power when they go off it will cement the idea Labour can't be trusted with the economy. Labour left a lot of timebombs too, tuition fees being the major example. It's really no way to run a country. There are probably some strategists at Labour HQ looking at projections for next year and probably wondering if it'd be safer for the party's prospects in 2016-20 to lose to the Tories in 2015. The party machinery is a lot stronger in Labour than the Tories or Lib Dems. Aromatic Stretch posted:Keeping Milliband as leader counts as throwing the election as well, he is unelectable and most of his party know it. It's worth taking the chance on a replacement. Clegg hasn't been ditched by the Lib Dems either, and probably for the same reason: it'd be electoral suicide to do so. There's no clear answer to the answer of who would want to take that poison pill: neither Johnson or Farron would want to take their parties into a disastrous election, they want to lead them during a period of renewal. TinTower fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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No one ever throws elections and nobody intentionally leaves timebombs for their successor government. For that matter, how could tuition fees even count as a timebomb? Labour introduced them during Blair's first term - is the suggestion that they were deliberately setting a trap for their own future selves?
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LemonDrizzle posted:No one ever throws elections and nobody intentionally leaves timebombs for their successor government Universal Credit is a timebomb and I'm pretty sure everyone in parliament except maybe IDS is fully aware of this. e; also I'm pretty sure there's no way Labour can save the NHS without committing electoral suicide. That's not really a bomb though as the Tories will be able to pull out the "see, privatisation was correct all along!" card.
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LemonDrizzle posted:No one ever throws elections and nobody intentionally leaves timebombs for their successor government. For that matter, how could tuition fees even count as a timebomb? Labour introduced them during Blair's first term - is the suggestion that they were deliberately setting a trap for their own future selves? Labour set up the Browne Review in 2009, and the Cabinet minister responsible for HE – Lord Mandelson – was open about the fact he was okay with five-figure fees. The Review was set to report back in Autumn 2010, and I don't think anyone seriously thought Labour would be in power then. For all  did with the pledge, Labour are also loving nasty on HE funding. Their closeness with a lot of NUS Presidents has pushed the NUS to drop free education policies twice – once by Jim Murphy, once with the lobbying of Wes Streeting and NOLS –, they've broken two promises on fees and used dodgy semantics to squirm out of it, and their proposed Grand Plan to cut fees to £6k is basically a tax cut for rich graduates that'll be no doubt "paid for" by cutting maintenance grants.
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ReV VAdAUL posted:Leaked documents show the Police actively collaborated with anti-Union blacklist operations as recently as 2008: Thanks for posting this, been following the blacklisting cases close because it affected my family. Definitive proof the police were in on it was all I needed to become extremely pissed off about it all. Before that I was merely normally pissed.
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So when did the theme of Armistice Day change from 'war is hell' to 'BACK OUR BOYS   '? I must have missed it
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Answers Me posted:So when did the theme of Armistice Day change from 'war is hell' to 'BACK OUR BOYS 1982.
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Answers Me posted:So when did the theme of Armistice Day change from 'war is hell' to 'BACK OUR BOYS When they changed it "remembrance day" christ almighty read your Vonnegut
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Answers Me posted:So when did the theme of Armistice Day change from 'war is hell' to 'BACK OUR BOYS Probably when the newspapers started calling it Poppy Day.
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Answers Me posted:So when did the theme of Armistice Day change from 'war is hell' to 'BACK OUR BOYS The homily did include a section on the enemies and conflicts of our modern age, including inequality and 'financial systems based on greed', so maybe it was run by undercover leftists or actual Christians 
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TinTower posted:Labour set up the Browne Review in 2009, and the Cabinet minister responsible for HE – Lord Mandelson – was open about the fact he was okay with five-figure fees. The Review was set to report back in Autumn 2010, and I don't think anyone seriously thought Labour would be in power then. Surely a timebomb is something that you know is bad and are setting up just out of spite, though? If Mandelson was OK with five figure fees (and if you're OK with the tuition fee/loan system in general, I don't see why you wouldn't be), then there's no time bomb, just a continuation of established policy.
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