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I love how misleading the trailer ahead of Dark Water was in regards to the stuff that happened in these episodes, apart from the fact they revealed the Cybermen which I still think would have been a cool reveal before the later reveal of the Master.Yannick_B posted:"Is The Doctor bad??" can go right on the shelf for years as well. It's just tired at this point. Well this episode gave a pretty firm answer to that question in the Doctor's mind at least, and he showed his gratitude to the Master for allowing him to come to the realization. "I'm not a good man. I'm not a bad man either. I'm an idiot!  "
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In case anyone's interested, Tomb of the Cybermen is on Drama (Freeview 20, Sky 166, Virgin 190) at 4pm.
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Nov 9, 2014 01:14
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Huh. Did Horror loose the license?
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Nov 9, 2014 01:15
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Nope it's still going on Horror pretty solidly
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Jerusalem posted:I love how misleading the trailer ahead of Dark Water was in regards to the stuff that happened in these episodes, apart from the fact they revealed the Cybermen which I still think would have been a cool reveal before the later reveal of the Master. If they don't go back to it, that's great! We've had "Good Man this, Good Man that" ever since Moffat took over the show and I understand wanting to make a meal out of that after casting Capaldi. I've watched half of this season yesterday to catch up for the finale. I love Capaldi and Coleman. Each episode have good ideas/moments but outside of an episode like Flatline, they all feel jumbled together. Looking forward to Nick Frost though!
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Nov 9, 2014 01:17
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Also, "four wives, all deceased". One of them's obviously River, but Clara was wrong, because the TARDIS is very much alive. 
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Nov 9, 2014 01:36
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The best thing, among a lot of best things in this episode, was Danny starting his Epic Speech and Missy is in the background giving a full-body  .EDIT: And I'll say it: Osgood deserved to die. You know what the "Say something nice before I kill you" thing is? It's Missy asking the person she's saying it to to say whatever keeps them alive. In that moment when Osgood is groveling, you see someone that would sell out The Doctor and UNIT to survive. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Nov 9, 2014 |
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Nov 9, 2014 01:41
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Definitely liked the previous episode more than this one. Also, the Cyber-Brig can go gently caress himself.
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Nov 9, 2014 01:44
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I've got to say, I found Dannys faceplateless cyber helmet so reminiscent of Heimdals helmet in thor that I cant remember Dannys speech at all. I'm trying, but I keep coming up with Elbas "Today we are cancelling the apocalypse" speech from pacific rim.
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Nov 9, 2014 01:47
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SiKboy posted:I've got to say, I found Dannys faceplateless cyber helmet so reminiscent of Heimdals helmet in thor that I cant remember Dannys speech at all. I'm trying, but I keep coming up with Elbas "Today we are cancelling the apocalypse" speech from pacific rim. It was nonsense any way, especially because he's problem with authority isn't actually born out of him killing that kid because that was all on him being a lovely soldier.
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Nov 9, 2014 01:50
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MisterBibs posted:The best thing, among a lot of best things in this episode, was Danny starting his Epic Speech and Missy is in the background giving a full-body Really? I assumed her "I would be more useful alive" was less a "I will betray everyone to live" and more "I will buy time for rescue or to sabotage her." But I liked the character so I may be prejudiced.
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malk83 posted:So, just to clarify - every corpse on planet Earth has just been turned into a robot, and then exploded. I think they said in the episode that only a certain number of the graves actually ended up being cyber-converted, not all of them. They also said that the Master must have traveled through Earth's history setting this up... hopefully the Doctor encounters her again earlier along in her timestream where she has a trap ready for him when she's disguised as Dr Skarosa or setting up the concept of the afterlife or whatever.
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PriorMarcus posted:It was nonsense any way, especially because he's problem with authority isn't actually born out of him killing that kid because that was all on him being a lovely soldier.
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Well it was certainly better than Time Of The Doctor. I was definitely expecting more of a puzzle box though; I rewatched Dark Water thinking "ooh, this long scene with the dream patch that must be setting it up for later, ooh the water makes non-organic matter invisible I bet that'll be significant in the next episode" and then the resolution was that the cybermen all fly into the air and explode. Clara's ending might have been a bit too sad considering there are kids watching, but I did like them both lying to each other because they think the other's happy. I liked it enough to even forgive the pointless tacked-on scene of Danny sending the child he murdered back to life. The Cyberbrig was also tacked on, and the Master should just have got away, but I liked the little salute scene and laughed at him rocketing off. I didn't like it as much as The Big Bang but it's probably the best Moffat's done since then.
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That was lackluster as all get out. It might've been because I was expecting with this episode's high mortality rate that it was gonna be some reversal of fortune "this time everybody lives!" turn, but that conflict resolution seemed extremely stupid to me. The Doctor just sat around doing nothing until a side character pretty much told him to get out of the way so he could play Doctor and thwart the villian. I'm almost starting to miss RTD's bullshit finale endings. Also I guess the master's tardis is just kinda sitting somewhere waiting to be hijacked.
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Nov 9, 2014 02:17
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Oh yeah, and here is the Master being teleported as well as the final shot. Similar effect and it fits in with Time Heist where a device designed to look like a disintegrator was actually a teleporter.... but really, the Master is always going to come back whether there is a reason or excuse, because that's just what the Master does.
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Rannos22 posted:I'm almost starting to miss RTD's bullshit finale endings. But this follows the tradition of RTD's bullshit finales pretty well though... 
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Nov 9, 2014 02:24
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How many times have the Cybermen been defeated by the power of HEART again? Aside from that, I liked it. The Master's attempt to convince the Doctor that he's actually evil seems a bit hackneyed until you realise how loving contrived it is on the Master's part - she had to establish the idea of the afterlife over the history of an entire species, subvert it, set up an apocalypse, then make the only way that the Doctor could possibly end it was to be like her. All this to try to get her friend back, after gleefully murdering half of the Doctor's friends, instead of just saying that she's sorry and trying to be a good person. The Master is goddamn twisted. Oh, and I liked Osgood, but I'm fine with her being dead. She would have got very annoying very fast if overused.
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This was quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever watched. I loved it. Gomez better not be done, she is incredible.
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Capaldi and Gomez acted the hell out of that. I'm not sure what it was, but they did very well.MisterBibs posted:EDIT: And I'll say it: Osgood deserved to die. You know what the "Say something nice before I kill you" thing is? It's Missy asking the person she's saying it to to say whatever keeps them alive. In that moment when Osgood is groveling, you see someone that would sell out The Doctor and UNIT to survive. The Doctor uses this line of argument on multiple occasions, most famously in the Seeds of Death.
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That finale was doing fine until the resolution of the main plot, then it started kind of going off the rails and the bracelet resurrection stuff was so bad it must have been some kind of last minute addition when Moffat realized he hadn't given Danny emotional resolution for the shot kid plot, or something like that. If you drop a plot point like that on the audience's lap you need to lay out the foundation for it ahead of time instead off-screen bullshit. At least I picked the right week to get acquainted with the Pertwee serials. Having the enormous painting of the Brig on the plane was silly but you needed it for the CyberBrig reveal. Also the protocol for Earth invasion is something I would pen myself. Is the planet under attack? Yes Is the Doctor on the planet? Yes -> Put him in charge of everything Sedating him is bound to put him in a bad mood though. That was another thing that felt like author expedience. The Doctor seemed to take it extremely in stride. For Christmas I would have liked some more Gomez Master but Nick Frost will do.
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I imagine his thought process went something like "well, I was going to tell you what to do anyway, soooo."
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They should've just named the plane after him rather than having a goofy loving picture of him on the wall.
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What a disappointing finale. Osgood deserved better than that. The Missy fakeout death was extremely predictable. I just hope whoever is the companion next year, they have a backbone like Clara got this season.
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Andrew_1985 posted:I just hope whoever is the companion next year, they have a backbone like Clara got this season. Hopefully more range and facial expressions though.
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PriorMarcus posted:They should've just named the plane after him rather than having a goofy loving picture of him on the wall. The Brigadier Sir Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart is a bit of a mouthful for a plane name.
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The Mary Poppins bit was the best moment aside from "I'm an idiot!". Both actors knocked it out of the park. But overall this was pretty drat lazy for a finale. A rehash of the Master's last arc, raining machine-humans down from the sky (let's do that burning sky thing AGAIN) for an even more idiotic reason (ok, it was partly in character). Sloppy wish-fulfilment to the max - killing off a minor character for the lulz but CyberBrig saves daughter from the sky  , to name just one example. Danny Who and Clara Brat, a match made in heaven. It's a tribute to her acting that I've come to dislike Clara, she represents the worst of the wish-fulfilment in so much New Who. Danny was a mere device to show us Clara's negative side; the only trick in the whole series was to make us initially think it was the Doctor's. Is she pregnant? Does she adopt the kid? Does that fix that niggling problem with the time line? I no longer care, maybe a magic puppy with a special rainbow fixes it, that's the level of excuse we've devolved to with Moffat. Oh right, Santa Claus, whoop de doo.Honestly, Dr Who is thrashing about. Something's got to change, it's more fundamental than just Moffat. Stories either choke to death in a 45min format or skip from one rehashed trope to another in an attempt to fool the audience something substantial is happening. Not new criticisms of course. But a new season of a new Doctor should be different in some way, and it hasn't been. Peter Capaldi deserves better.
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Nov 9, 2014 03:01
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Every single character and actor should be introduced this way. Even extra's.
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Well, this season ended on a wet fart, didn't it?
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While I'm still up, the "tribute" to Courtney felt completely misplaced and inappropriate. It's like the fetish anime-style cartoons tributes to 9/11 - good god the necessary gravitas and dignity required to pull it off was lacking. Meanwhile, a man actually squeed in Doctor Who. I'm going to go full Nefud on Chris Addison.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Meanwhile, a man actually squeed in Doctor Who. I'm going to go full Nefud on Chris Addison. That was the only murder I was in full agreement with.
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Nov 9, 2014 03:06
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Doctor Who = Spaced reunion
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Kate is pretty two dimensional and poo poo. I wouldn't of minded her being killed off. It's never going to be mentioned again but there's a second one of her and Osgood running around anyway.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:Doctor Who = Spaced reunion He may have been in Blake's Seven but he's not been in Doctor Who. No Mark Heap, no dice.
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