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jadebullet posted:I wouldn't mind reading them. Alright, here's the first one. quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. No, I don't mean the Monsignor Jeremias, not directly; he deserved every bit of the madman's reputation he earned, sure, but he never scared me on a personal level. I never even met him, not face-to-face, just saw him at times when he delivered his addresses, and he, no doubt, had not the slightest idea that I even existed.
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# ? May 23, 2024 23:26 |
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A Dark Elder slumming on a Rogue Trader ship as a doctor, just for the novelty of it?
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# ? Nov 9, 2014 03:32 |
I like it. I didn't really get as much of a Dark Eldar vibe from it, as much as I did an Eldar Corsair feel. He seems more arrogant than sadistic. Plus, I doubt that a Dark Eldar could sustain themselves on that little pain.
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# ? Nov 9, 2014 03:46 |
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I didnt like the eldar waifu or the wolf, it seemed like dumb anime poo poo amd I thought it detracted from the quality of the book. Didnt like that in my spacemans novel
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# ? Nov 9, 2014 03:55 |
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FrantzX posted:A Dark Elder slumming on a Rogue Trader ship as a doctor, just for the novelty of it? Yes, that's exactly what I had in mind. Not the most groundbreaking concept, but I took it and ran with it. jadebullet posted:I like it. I didn't really get as much of a Dark Eldar vibe from it, as much as I did an Eldar Corsair feel. He seems more arrogant than sadistic. Plus, I doubt that a Dark Eldar could sustain themselves on that little pain. He's a Dark Eldar, I just have no desire to write any truly sadistic stuff. He is meant to be a paragon of arrogance, though, and I do appreciate the feedback! Here's another one: quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. On one of the Monsignor Jeremias' voyages into uncharted space, he'd set aside even more of his sanity than was usual for him, and hired an alien to replace the recently retired chief physician of the ship, Doctor Bisko. I don't know how he'd come into contact with the alien, nor what he'd promised him as payment, but it was enough to make the creature take the bargain. I had been Bisko's assistant, and so the alien inherited me, along with a fully equipped medicae suite and the role of chief trauma surgeon. I can't tell you his name, and I do mean can't, not won't - I was never able to pronounce those vile xeno syllables. For lack of a better name, I called him Doc Eldar. I'm posting these in the order they were written, but the writing was fairly spaced out, I didn't knock these out one after another.
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# ? Nov 9, 2014 04:02 |
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Human nobodys observing the movers and shakers in 40K fiction is my favorite thing. Your stories are great. It's why all the Kharn stories are so funny.
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# ? Nov 9, 2014 11:53 |
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THe wacky hijinx of Doc Eldar and his unfortunate human sidekick is better than 90% of the poo poo I've read from Black Library so please do keep posting.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 03:08 |
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boneration posted:THe wacky hijinx of Doc Eldar and his unfortunate human sidekick is better than 90% of the poo poo I've read from Black Library so please do keep posting. This is sad but true. Part of the problem is that Black Library authors, by and large, take the nonsensical setting seriously. For goodness sakes one of the early warning signs in Gods of Mars was that the big bad didn't have enough skulls on the walls, for crying out loud! How is that not fun?
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 03:11 |
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Thank you all, glad you're enjoying. If you have any specific commentary on the stories, my writing, or how to improve it, I'd be glad to hear it. Here's another one:quote:Let me tell you a little story about the most terrifying boss I've ever had. This was during the time I served on the ship of the Monsignor Jeremias, but I'm not referring to the Monsignor himself; he was just as mad as you've heard, I can guarantee that, but it was one of his...employees, I suppose is accurate...that was the source of my fear. After the retirement of Doctor Bisko, the Monsignor needed a trauma surgeon. What he got was an alien. A humanoid alien who was without question the most effective physician I've ever seen - and the last one I'd want working on me, in all but the most dire of situations. Being unable to pronounce the syllables of his xeno name, I called him Doc Eldar. Before I post any more I'll need to do some writing. I've got two more of these stories written, but both need a little touching up, and I think I want to write something totally fresh before going back and redoing them.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 03:33 |
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Phrases like "forest for the trees" come to mind very easily reading about Doc Eldar.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 04:03 |
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I'm having a good time reading these. You've clearly cleaned these up, too - no typos so far, which makes them just lovely to read.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 04:34 |
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i just imagine our narrator is from spaceboston-9 and he's saying 'dark eldar' jokes aside these are really good and i'm enjoying them.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 04:42 |
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Kylaer posted:Alright, here's the first one.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 04:43 |
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Yeah, I have to admit, when you started posting these I rolled my eyes and skipped the goon fan fiction and went about my day. However, I gave your last story the benefit of the doubt and it was just great - so I went back and read over the other two, and they were fine too! So an apology is in order and my hat is off to you, gentle goon!
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 04:49 |
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Halfway through Helsreach and it is pretty fun. Andrej actually made me laugh. I have seen some parts that seemed to be inconsistent with what was described earlier but all of it minor. In unrelated news I am still looking around for that review I read once where a 50 something guy got gifted Straight Silver (or maybe it was Guns. The one on the WW1 world) and he had never ever read 40k before so he kept bitching about how Abnett was being inconsistent with regards to the setting's technology level and it was clearly the sign of a sloppy writer. When a reader commented on this by saying it was part of a bigger universe and series he said it was then an RPG book without rules so it was even worse. Every time the commenter (and it went on for like twenty comments back and forth) said wargame, the reviewer would display his grog credit by saying wargames are just simplified rpgs ergo the book was awful. It was beautiful.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 11:59 |
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To be fair, he's not wrong. Rogue Trader was a very different beast to current 40k. The stat line used to have another half-dozen or so entries, including poo poo that was basically Charisma + some diplomacy skill mixed together.
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Arquinsiel posted:To be fair, he's not wrong. Rogue Trader was a very different beast to current 40k. The stat line used to have another half-dozen or so entries, including poo poo that was basically Charisma + some diplomacy skill mixed together. It was also meant to be played with a referee/GM IIRC
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 12:21 |
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Azran posted:Halfway through Helsreach and it is pretty fun. Andrej actually made me laugh. I have seen some parts that seemed to be inconsistent with what was described earlier but all of it minor. I'm re-reading Helsreach for the third or fourth time and all the poo poo that Grimaldus says never gets old. quote:Commissar Falkov’s dark stormcoat swished as he reached for his sidearm. He never got the chance to execute the lieutenant for cowardice. A snarling, immense blur of blackness sliced across the room. With a crash, the lieutenant was slammed back against the wall, held a metre off the ground, short legs kicking, as the Reclusiarch gripped his throat in one hand.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 14:57 |
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Just chiming in to say keep going with the Doc Eldar stories if you've got more. Slice of life type stories are some of the most shorts in the 40K universe. You're making me wish I had the talent and patience to actually try writing some Alterna-K stories with a happy Imperium.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 15:29 |
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maev posted:Its the worst character and has the potential to make future books unacceptable if ADB keeps having his anime girlfriend angel gently caress up everyone in sight. not-Horus destroys her in the book, so I don't see how she will be bakc
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 16:34 |
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Fried Chicken posted:not-Horus destroys her in the book, so I don't see how she will be bakc Well I guess Khayon could bring her back. Again.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 18:31 |
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I started reading The Return of Nagash by Chris Wraight. According to the Kindle, I'm about 15% of the way through the book, but I have to say it's very well written and worth your time if you're interested in WH Fantasy or the End Times. Obviously, I can't give a comprehensive review yet, but the style is very smooth. If it continues like this for the entire book, I'll have no problem putting Wraight in the same class as ADB or Abnett (at least as a fantasy writer, since I don't recall reading any of his 40K stuff.) The best line so far is where Mannfred Von Carstein is lamenting about how freely his predecessors gifted vampirism to everyone including "dockside doxies, common mercenaries and, in one unfortunate incident that was best forgotten, a resident of the Moot." Vampire halfling. I need to read that story. Now.
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# ? Nov 10, 2014 19:09 |
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berzerkmonkey posted:I started reading The Return of Nagash by Chris Wraight. According to the Kindle, I'm about 15% of the way through the book, but I have to say it's very well written and worth your time if you're interested in WH Fantasy or the End Times. Obviously, I can't give a comprehensive review yet, but the style is very smooth. If it continues like this for the entire book, I'll have no problem putting Wraight in the same class as ADB or Abnett (at least as a fantasy writer, since I don't recall reading any of his 40K stuff.)
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 00:57 |
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Again, thank you all for your feedback. I'm getting started on another little story right now, I may not finish it tonight but I'll at least knock out a chunk of it. MrNemo posted:Just chiming in to say keep going with the Doc Eldar stories if you've got more. Slice of life type stories are some of the most shorts in the 40K universe. You're making me wish I had the talent and patience to actually try writing some Alterna-K stories with a happy Imperium. One of the stories I've written (and won't post just yet because I need to redo it a bit) is very slice-of-life and does some exploring into the kind of cultural practices that might develop among the Adeptus Mechanicus. Using Doc Eldar and his assistant as a window onto such things is very much part of my aim. Arquinsiel posted:Please post more, and consider contacting GW with samples of your work. Is this possible? I thought GW was a really insular company and didn't take submissions. If it is, I totally will try, it'd be hilarious if I got published. I wouldn't even care if they paid, just having my name on something published would be awesome.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 01:36 |
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With regard to the Dark Eldar in "Talon of Horus": Realtalk, what other role can a woman actually have in a 40k story other than "supporting cast"? The most important characters in the setting are/can only be guys thanks to how Astartes induction works. Like, Lotara the ship commander in "Betrayer" is really interesting. But I promise you there's never gonna be a miniature of Lotara, only the screaming meatmen who populate the rest of the cast. Nefertari is about as much as a woman is going to be able to accomplish in a book about Chaos Space Marines.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 01:49 |
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Uh females can occupy positions of power in every other major faction in warhammer 40k. That doesn't mean that writers do, but it's certainly not because of the setting.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 01:52 |
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berzerkmonkey posted:I started reading The Return of Nagash by Chris Wraight. I can't believe I was actually rooting for the undead hordes for once.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 01:58 |
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I don't know which undead hordes you were rooting for but Nagash's is objectively the worst.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 02:00 |
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Snollygoster posted:The most important characters in the setting are/can only be guys thanks to how Astartes induction works. How on earth are the Space Marines the most important characters in 40k? Most hyped, sure, but most important?
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 02:06 |
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So, when's the next Gaunt book out?
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 02:16 |
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Remora posted:How on earth are the Space Marines the most important characters in 40k? Most hyped, sure, but most important? The entire setting is the story of a crumbling interstellar empire the Space Marines conquered in the Great Crusade. Uniformly male Space Marines, derived from uniformly male Primarchs, sired by the Emperor without a mother. I don't really think right now the setting has room for a woman character as important or as powerful as a Primarch. Women can't even be Space Marines, the elite-of-the-elite movers and shakers in the Imperium. Maybe they can be ball-busting Inquisitors or medics in Dan Abnett stories, or sly foils for Ciaphas Cain to park his dick in. The Black Library authors are trying to be more inclusive. Compare anything Abnett or ADB has written with the first Space Wolves book, where there's like one woman who exists to tell Ragnar how manly he is, and then reappears as a sexy temptress in a vision because who even knows. 40k authors have come a good way since then, but there's a glass ceiling in the setting as long as the most prominent elements are bald, screaming white guys jumping out of churches to hit each other with chainsaws.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 02:31 |
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Sisters of Battle are functionally Space Marines. Especially when you get to things like Saint Celestine and Saint Sabbat etc being similarly immortal and Primarchey.Kylaer posted:Is this possible? I thought GW was a really insular company and didn't take submissions. If it is, I totally will try, it'd be hilarious if I got published. I wouldn't even care if they paid, just having my name on something published would be awesome.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 02:40 |
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As they said though, most hyped not most important. You make a good point with the Emperor and Primarchs all being male (even if Malcador makes a few jokes regarding that) but the Crusade was accomplished with such speed because of the Legions, they weren't the reason it was accomplished at all. Without the Legions the Emperor would have had a long and slow grind across the Universe with Titan Legions, the Knightly Orders and millions upon millions of Guardsmen, Skitarii, etc. There is space for women to be awesomesauce in any of these groups. Weirdly the Navy seems to be the only service we really see high ranking and important female figures in (in 30K at least) but I think that's partly because it's really the only service that's shown as important in 30K apart from the Legions (Occasional Titans aside). 40K with the Inquisition, increasing power of the Administratum and the Adeptas Sororitas has way more avenues for showing powerful women. Of course as you said they often don't (although they've gotten a lot better) but that's a failing of the writers, not an inherent failure of the universe even if the culture that's grown up around it isn't one that encourages better written female characters. Hell why not have a novel focusing on a Sister of Battle Canoness as something more than just a paint pot for some Grey Knights?
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 02:45 |
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Or do a book series focusing on one of the all-female Imperial Guard regiments, or the Sisters of Silence, or a woman commissar, princeps, Imperial Navy officer, tech-priestess (Know No Fear had a good one), or the like. There's lots of opportunities for powerful female characters in 40k, but the setting and those who write for it can be embarrassingly juvenile at times.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 02:57 |
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I agree fully with the bits about bald screaming white guys with chainsaws, and agree that Black Library needs better female characters. I'm DEFINITELY going to argue against this:Snollygoster posted:Space Marines, the elite-of-the-elite movers and shakers in the Imperium There are only around a million Space Marines in the entire galaxy, and the overwhelming majority of their time is spent on one of the following activities: killing, training to kill better, or stuck on a ship going to kill things. Chapters like the White Consuls and the Ultramarines (which is to say, Chapters integrated into the greater defense structure of the Imperium on a day-to-day level) are the minority exception, not the norm. The actual work of maintaining the Imperium (and as MrNemo so rightly noted, conquering it in the first place) is overwhelmingly shouldered by the Guard and the Navy, with help from the Inquisition - all mixed-gender institutions. You are completely correct in that the writers of the setting need to push that harder. I haven't read enough 30K to really have an opinion on that part of the setting, so I defer to others there. Basically what I'm saying is that the Astartes are just the sexy firemen on the Imperial fundraising calendar (unauthorized distribution is heretical by order of Inquisitor Chippendale, In Nomine Imperator).
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 03:10 |
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I too have strong feelings about the women of the 40k universe where the emperor sits immortal upon his golden throne Who will speak for their equality in this universe of aliens and daemons if we do not? Waroduce fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Nov 11, 2014 |
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Waroduce posted:I too have strong feelings about the women of the 40k universe where the emperor sits immortal upon his golden throne Are you really that obtuse, or did you just feel the need to drag in a straw man to beat up?
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 05:35 |
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Snollygoster posted:The entire setting is the story of a crumbling interstellar empire the Space Marines conquered in the Great Crusade. Uniformly male Space Marines, derived from uniformly male Primarchs, sired by the Emperor without a mother. I don't really think right now the setting has room for a woman character as important or as powerful as a Primarch. Women can't even be Space Marines, the elite-of-the-elite movers and shakers in the Imperium. Maybe they can be ball-busting Inquisitors or medics in Dan Abnett stories, or sly foils for Ciaphas Cain to park his dick in. The Primarchs are supposed to be long-gone demigods from a distant time of legend, though. They're supposed to be set dressing, not actual characters (which is why I don't like the 30k concept that much). Also Space Marines aren't actually movers and shakers, for the most part they do what they're told and follow fairly predictable patterns set by tradition. They're brainwashed warrior fanatics so there's a pretty limited range of expression there. It's just that most 40k books aren't exactly character-driven literature so the intentionally simple world of Space Marines which is all about fighting, fighting more/harder/angrier, and then being bros or occasionally making a choice is all that's required for a 12-16 year old audience, while older fans often do want more but that's why having a media property with that sort of crossover audience is difficult.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 05:42 |
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, when's the next Gaunt book out? Was originally November 18th but now Amazon has it for June 25, 2015. This is like the 3rd pushback, anyone know what's up?
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 06:43 |
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# ? May 23, 2024 23:26 |
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Abnett keeps getting paid more to write other stuff, mostly HH, maybe Penitent.
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# ? Nov 11, 2014 07:17 |