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Mightypeon
Oct 10, 2013

Putin apologist- assume all uncited claims are from Russia Today or directly from FSB.

key phrases: Poor plucky little Russia, Spheres of influence, The West is Worse, they was asking for it.
In Kyiv, the General attorney is concerned that "volunteer batallion" "Aidar" may stage a coup.
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/11/7/7043584/?attempt=1

These are highly "interesting times" on both sides.
Of note is that Aidar is, as far as I know, not directly linked to any Oligarch.
Their pretty heavy handed tactics in Donbass (seperatists tend to see them as the third most "evil" Group after Azov and Right Sector) definitly give them legitimacy in Ukrainian nationalists circles, and that they of all People in some way cooperate with the seperatists and/or Russia is incredibly unlikely.
While I am the last one to minimize the role of far right militias, I think it is not very likely that a single batallion can successfully stage a coup. Especially one like Aidar which tooks some really heavy losses in the fighting.
This thus seems more like a prelude to either increasing control over this unit or disbanding it.

E: It seems that the more "Populist", as in, not linked to oligarchs and/or foreign interests (Strelkov f.e. apperantly had a Russian Oligarch sugar Daddy, and fell in close correlation with his sugar Daddy getting jailed for tax evasion), fractions on both sides are loosing out.

Mightypeon fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Nov 10, 2014

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HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

A Lithuanian spy was caught spying for Belarus.

http://www.15min.lt/naujiena/aktualu/nusikaltimaiirnelaimes/lietuvoje-demaskuoti-snipai-pirmoji-byla-perduota-teismui-59-465537?cf=df

quote:

Referred to the Court a high-profile criminal case in which a Lithuanian citizen accused of spying a foreign state. Over the long-term intelligence operation was found that the Lithuanian RL collect confidential information for the benefit of Belarus. Portal 15min.lt sources said that the information was not about politics or politicians.

Intelligence operation which led to the Minsk detained worked Lithuanian, by the State Security Department. A preliminary investigation conducted by the Lithuanian Criminal Police Bureau officers and coordinated by the Prosecutor General's Office.

Criminal case on Monday was sent to the Vilnius Regional Court.

Objective: The Lukashenko government stability

In spring this year by providing national security threats assessment SSD race that the main long-term Belarusian intelligence and security services tasks are to ensure President Aliaksandr Lukashenka government stability within the country and to defend the

Belarusian political and economic interests abroad.

Before Lithuania actively working in the Belarusian State Security Committee (KGB). This service focuses on the activities of the Belarusian opposition organizations and contacts

in Lithuania. Another constant target of the KGB of the Lithuanian community in Belarus ", - informed the DFA that time.
Intelligence officials say the KGB of Belarus also looking for sponsors interests of Lithuanian politicians, Belarus and Lithuania working entrepreneurs Lithuanian Russian speaking media.

Belarusian Ministry of Defence General Staff Chief Intelligence Agency (GRU) collects information about the Lithuanian Armed Forces, their readiness and military infrastructure "- was published in the assessment of national security threats.

Greater problem - spies from Russia

It is unclear what the area viewed spy RL, the spy case to the court on Monday.

Of the study will be reported in more detail on Monday at a press conference. Participate in the Deputy Prosecutor General Darius Raulušaitis, the State Security Department Director Gediminas grin, Lithuanian Criminal Police Bureau Chief Roland Hare.

SSD brief press release stated that "it is the first of its kind in the case referred to the court after the entry into force of the Law on Intelligence in 2013 on 1 January.

In September, the DHS announced the recent captures intensified intelligence activities carried out by the most aggressive Russian intelligence and security services.

According to DHS, 2004 - 2014, due to the perceived spyware from Lithuania were sent to 11 foreign intelligence officers.

google translate does a really lovely job with Lithuanian.

Putin says thanks to those no good Right Sector homonazis constantly shelling the MH17 crash site, it's impossible to do any thorough investigation.

http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/news/35747941/raboty-na-meste-padeniya-malazijskogo-boeing-nevozmozhny-iz#ixzz3IfK9uNpV

quote:

Ukrainian military constantly shelled area near the crash Malaysian Boeing in Donbas, it is not possible fully to work at the crash site, said President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with the Prime Minister of Malaysia Najib Razak.

" Because they do not ( militia), and the opposing party is constantly under fire this portion of territory and it does not allow to fully operate in the crash site. But in any case, we welcome the fact that the Malaysian experts admitted, finally, to full-scale participation in the investigation, not only in the work of the so-called technical commission. I am sure that your experts will make their necessary contribution to the full investigation of this tragedy, "- said Putin.

" I would like once again to express my sincere condolences to the bereaved families and the friendly people of Malaysia in connection with the plane crash Malaysian airlines in eastern Ukraine on July 17, "- said Putin.

Russia, like Malaysia, insists on an objective investigation into the disaster and the full-sized Boeing, Putin said.

" Russia, as well as Malaysia, insists on the full, objective and full-length investigation of the disaster, in full compliance with the relevant UNSC resolutions. I think that the link that the territory controlled by the fall of the so-called pro-Russian separatists absolutely untenable, "- he said.

Boeing 777 airline Malaysia Airlines, was on course to Amsterdam ( Netherlands) - Kuala Lumpur ( Malaysia), crashed in eastern Ukraine, July 17th. On board were 298 people, all of them died. According to a preliminary report on the investigation of the disaster of the Security Council of the Netherlands, the plane was technically sound and broke up in the air as a result of contact with his body a large number of objects.


HUGE PUBES A PLUS fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Nov 10, 2014

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon
They're reading the names and ages of MH17 victims at a memorial service and it's especially depressing to hear the children who were on board :smith:

Sergiu64
May 21, 2014

Mightypeon posted:

In more actual News, Bezler sack is for real (as in sacked, not as in "he actually stopped leading People"), Mozgovois Brigade got "integrated into Novorussijas armed Forces", which he liked, but not as Brigade but distributed towards other formations, which he categorically rejected. It is not yet clear what will happen from that.

There's some rumors that he was Assassinated by Russian Security Services: http://pressimus.com/Interpreter_Mag/press/4932 for refusing to submit to Russian military command.

Smerdyakov
Jul 8, 2008

Mightypeon posted:

In Kyiv, the General attorney is concerned that "volunteer batallion" "Aidar" may stage a coup.
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/11/7/7043584/?attempt=1

These are highly "interesting times" on both sides.
Of note is that Aidar is, as far as I know, not directly linked to any Oligarch.
Their pretty heavy handed tactics in Donbass (seperatists tend to see them as the third most "evil" Group after Azov and Right Sector) definitly give them legitimacy in Ukrainian nationalists circles, and that they of all People in some way cooperate with the seperatists and/or Russia is incredibly unlikely.
While I am the last one to minimize the role of far right militias, I think it is not very likely that a single batallion can successfully stage a coup. Especially one like Aidar which tooks some really heavy losses in the fighting.
This thus seems more like a prelude to either increasing control over this unit or disbanding it.

E: It seems that the more "Populist", as in, not linked to oligarchs and/or foreign interests (Strelkov f.e. apperantly had a Russian Oligarch sugar Daddy, and fell in close correlation with his sugar Daddy getting jailed for tax evasion), fractions on both sides are loosing out.

Товарищ, зачем ты понимаешь украинского языка?

I can virtually assure you Aidar has an oligarch or two backing them because you can't even get a job running a rural traffic stop without an oligarch. I think both revolutions are eating (some) of their children, but the biggest danger after direct Russian invasion is their respective oligarchies reaching an even more crooked deal than the usual shenanigans.

As for Bezler, I would guess he's being held at an undisclosed location where he could die of a pre-existing medical condition at any time. Putin's not worried about anyone coming for him and he could still be useful or killed off as needed, so no need to make a decision right now.

Smerdyakov fucked around with this message at 19:06 on Nov 10, 2014

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Forgall posted:

Apparently they are fast-tracking the law which will prohibit foreign companies from storing personal data of russians from 2016 to 2015. Not really sure what consequences it will have.

Well the obvious and immediate one is that pretty much every major social network gets banned in Russia.

On the one hand, the current situation where a very large part of everyone's online activity is run through a handful of US megacorporations isn't exactly ideal, given that US data protection laws are pretty lovely even for their own citizens, and virtually non-existent for foreigners. On the other hand, Balkanizing Russia's internet access even further is just going to isolate Russians even further from the rest of the world and force them to rely more on their heavily distorted state media.

It could have global knock-on effects, too. A lot of countries started thinking quite hard about this after Snowden. If Russia follows China's lead, maybe others would, too.

Of course, a "great firewall of Russia" may not affect Russians too much, given how most seem to use VK anyway.

TeodorMorozov
May 27, 2013


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lhxc1qu6DY

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


60 minutes has gotten really weird since mike wallace died

RocketSurgeon
Mar 2, 2008
Hey an article about your report made it to estonia, BrownMoses.http://www.postimees.ee/2986647/raport-lend-mh17-tulistati-alla-vene-sojavaelt-parineva-raketisusteemiga
There is bound to be gold in the comment section but I'm on a phone at work right now so I can't really check.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

RocketSurgeon posted:

Hey an article about your report made it to estonia, BrownMoses.http://www.postimees.ee/2986647/raport-lend-mh17-tulistati-alla-vene-sojavaelt-parineva-raketisusteemiga
There is bound to be gold in the comment section but I'm on a phone at work right now so I can't really check.

It's got really good coverage, it got on the Dutch wires so it's all over the place in Holland, Finland appears to have covered it in depth, and it made it to the Daily Mail website. I'm about to do a lecture on it to dozens of US journalists in New York, that should give it another boost.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Putin caused a diplomatic scandal when he put a blanket on the shoulders of the first lady in China. You can see after she immediately drops the blanket for a jacket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsbPFmTyt_A

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/leute/fauxpas-beim-apec-gipfel-wladimir-putin-legt-decke-um-peng-liyuan-a-1002159.html

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Putin caused a diplomatic scandal when he put a blanket on the shoulders of the first lady in China. You can see after she immediately drops the blanket for a jacket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsbPFmTyt_A

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/leute/fauxpas-beim-apec-gipfel-wladimir-putin-legt-decke-um-peng-liyuan-a-1002159.html

Still, Yeltsin would have goosed her, so not that bad.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Putin caused a diplomatic scandal when he put a blanket on the shoulders of the first lady in China. You can see after she immediately drops the blanket for a jacket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsbPFmTyt_A

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/leute/fauxpas-beim-apec-gipfel-wladimir-putin-legt-decke-um-peng-liyuan-a-1002159.html

Awesome move, Xi and China left looking like bunch off hillbillies while Putin comes of as a suave gentlemen. Man loves to troll.

Mightypeon
Oct 10, 2013

Putin apologist- assume all uncited claims are from Russia Today or directly from FSB.

key phrases: Poor plucky little Russia, Spheres of influence, The West is Worse, they was asking for it.

Smerdyakov posted:

Товарищ, зачем ты понимаешь украинского языка?

I can virtually assure you Aidar has an oligarch or two backing them because you can't even get a job running a rural traffic stop without an oligarch. I think both revolutions are eating (some) of their children, but the biggest danger after direct Russian invasion is their respective oligarchies reaching an even more crooked deal than the usual shenanigans.

As for Bezler, I would guess he's being held at an undisclosed location where he could die of a pre-existing medical condition at any time. Putin's not worried about anyone coming for him and he could still be useful or killed off as needed, so no need to make a decision right now.

I can read Ukrainian and generally get the meaning but not speak or understand it unless someone is speaking very slowly. Kind of like Dutch for most Germans.

I would normally agree with that, but the normal structures of power are considerably damaged, and it could be feasible that some of the resulting power vacuums get at least temporarily filled by non oligarch actors.
In addition, which Oligarch? As far as I understand current Oligarch shenangians in Ukraine proper, the main thing is Kolomoisky vs. Poroshenko, with Firtash (who got a major win in the election because his Pet Nazi got into the Rada, while Kolomoiskies did not) being currently allied with Poroshenko, but Poroshenko not being very sure about his allegiance. Firtash was also instrumental in getting Klitschko and Poroshenko into one camp, and it is strongly implied that he has good relations with the Germans at least right now, and had decent working relations with the Russians.
The US also apperantly choose to no longer bother him with money laundering charges.

Concerning the damage, what I am worried about is the "super awesome Russian invasion prevention plan by your friendly pro Western Oligarchs". Basically, rob and expropriate Ukraine so thoroughly that not even Russia wants it anymore, blame every social hardship on Russia, exfiltrate the loot into the West, burn down everything you cant loot and commit just enough cruelties to make Ukraine a utterly divided political powderkeg but not enough cruelties to be ousted outright.

Warcabbit
Apr 26, 2008

Wedge Regret

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Putin caused a diplomatic scandal when he put a blanket on the shoulders of the first lady in China. You can see after she immediately drops the blanket for a jacket.


Eh, it's no shoulder massage.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Warcabbit posted:

Eh, it's no shoulder massage.

True, and he did the same to Angela Merkel at the last G 8 he was invited to.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Warcabbit posted:

Eh, it's no shoulder massage.

Pretty much, looks like he just gave a blanket to someone who mentioned they were a bit cold. China why you have to go get so weird about this, Putins done so many legit bad things you could get mad about, don't get mad at him when he actually does something not poo poo.

Mightypeon
Oct 10, 2013

Putin apologist- assume all uncited claims are from Russia Today or directly from FSB.

key phrases: Poor plucky little Russia, Spheres of influence, The West is Worse, they was asking for it.
Mind you, comments from normal Chinese over this were generally positive ("oh, he is actually a gentlemen, wouldnt have expected that!"), until the Chinese goverment closed the comments function.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
He was also late by 30 minutes to take a photo of all the other 19 world leaders lol. I've read a lot of articles by the theatre/art/literature-related opposition where they call him a gopnik or pahan - a thug with a worldview typical of the 90s russian criminal society. Pretty accurate considering the guy JUST decided to appropriate another private oil business (Bashneft). One memorably put it as "The world paid a huge price trying to develop civilization and it can't afford to tolerate a gopnik with nuclear weapons".

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Mightypeon posted:

Concerning the damage, what I am worried about is the "super awesome Russian invasion prevention plan by your friendly pro Western Oligarchs". Basically, rob and expropriate Ukraine so thoroughly that not even Russia wants it anymore, blame every social hardship on Russia, exfiltrate the loot into the West, burn down everything you cant loot and commit just enough cruelties to make Ukraine a utterly divided political powderkeg but not enough cruelties to be ousted outright.

A plausible situation that Ukraine has been put in by Russia. Blame still lies with Russia. I won't deny the "West" is going to exploit the situation but "operation gently caress with Ukraine and then rob it" was never a plan before Russia decided the cold war was still a thing. This will always be Russia's mess and that they might not even get the spoils is entirely their problem.

Mc Do Well
Aug 2, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
If you take Siberia, I'll take your girl.

Panas
Nov 1, 2009

Somaen posted:

He was also late by 30 minutes to take a photo of all the other 19 world leaders lol. I've read a lot of articles by the theatre/art/literature-related opposition where they call him a gopnik or pahan - a thug with a worldview typical of the 90s russian criminal society. Pretty accurate considering the guy JUST decided to appropriate another private oil business (Bashneft). One memorably put it as "The world paid a huge price trying to develop civilization and it can't afford to tolerate a gopnik with nuclear weapons".



He's not the one try to appropriate Bashneft though. Russia's a big country, not everything can be attributed to Putin.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Here is a fun article comparing the most popular internet porn searches between Russia and the United States.

Should I be surprised that in homophobic Russia "anal" and "double anal" are both very popular searches?

And the USA spends more time on internet porn sites than Russia.

http://www.pornhub.com/insights/united-states-vs-russia/

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Panas posted:

He's not the one try to appropriate Bashneft though. Russia's a big country, not everything can be attributed to Putin.

What? There is absolutely no way something of this scale could happen without his full approval. Rosneft wouldn't be able to force the courts to approve the arrest of a multi billionaire.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Here is a fun article comparing the most popular internet porn searches between Russia and the United States.

Should I be surprised that in homophobic Russia "anal" and "double anal" are both very popular searches?

And the USA spends more time on internet porn sites than Russia.

http://www.pornhub.com/insights/united-states-vs-russia/

I find "Mom" being #2 on the list being more disturbing.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

dr_rat posted:

Pretty much, looks like he just gave a blanket to someone who mentioned they were a bit cold. China why you have to go get so weird about this, Putins done so many legit bad things you could get mad about, don't get mad at him when he actually does something not poo poo.
The blanket was infected with Multidrug-resistant TB.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

A Buttery Pastry posted:

The blanket was infected with Multidrug-resistant TB.

Mycobacterium make great pets!

TeodorMorozov
May 27, 2013

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Here is a fun article comparing the most popular internet porn searches between Russia and the United States.

Should I be surprised that in homophobic Russia "anal" and "double anal" are both very popular searches?

And the USA spends more time on internet porn sites than Russia.

http://www.pornhub.com/insights/united-states-vs-russia/

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry

Ardennes posted:

I find "Mom" being #2 on the list being more disturbing.

I'm sorry you don't like mother daughter porn, the best kind their is.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




A Buttery Pastry posted:

The blanket was infected with Multidrug-resistant TB.
Tuberculosis?

Nitrox
Jul 5, 2002
I think if we get Sasha Grey and Lisa Ann to travel to Moscow and film a hot lesbian mother/daughter anal porn, it'll sweep the nation. It could end with a casting scene with Madison Ivy, where she gets a massage. Any investors?

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry

Nitrox posted:

I think if we get Sasha Grey and Lisa Ann to travel to Moscow and film a hot lesbian mother/daughter anal porn, it'll sweep the nation. It could end with a casting scene with Madison Ivy, where she gets a massage. Any investors?

I'd watch it. I don't know who those people are except the Palin lady but I'd watch it.

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


I'd invest in it.







































Wait

NO

gently caress!

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Somaen posted:

He was also late by 30 minutes to take a photo of all the other 19 world leaders lol. I've read a lot of articles by the theatre/art/literature-related opposition where they call him a gopnik or pahan - a thug with a worldview typical of the 90s russian criminal society. Pretty accurate considering the guy JUST decided to appropriate another private oil business (Bashneft). One memorably put it as "The world paid a huge price trying to develop civilization and it can't afford to tolerate a gopnik with nuclear weapons".


If Putin is a gopnik then I don't even know what to say. That's like whining that Obama brought gang culture into the white house.

For a really scary leader take a look at Batka, that's a guy you definitely don't want to come across in a dark alley. And even he is probably pretty harmless compared to someone like Kadyrov. That would be the real gopnik territory.

As a bonus, hold on to your panties and watch gentlemen Putin sing blueberry hill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekeq4szDmJo

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry
Dude, Putin is running Russia like a mob boss would.

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry
He literally did the it's a nice place you got here thing to Ukraine and that's out of a loving movie.

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
Eh, about 50% of it is just Russian machismo, the other 50% is pretty much exactly what you said.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
It's nothing like comparing an Obama to a gang member.

Culture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTUrqqkdMYI

Gangs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozero

drilldo squirt
Aug 18, 2006

a beautiful, soft meat sack
Clapping Larry
Doesn't putin have his own biker gang?

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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Somaen posted:

It's nothing like comparing an Obama to a gang member.

Culture:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTUrqqkdMYI

Gangs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozero

I have no idea what point you are trying to make, so have some videos from everyday life in Russia instead:


This is me on my daily commute to work, had a little bit too much shower beer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82xuGOwXzOI

Me an my droogs going shopping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKcmWmlzwB4

Bums: making a mess all over the city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxJLcPJyQok

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