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currently posting on a freshly installed arch w/ gnome 3.14 on some embarassing piece of garbage that we had lying around (athlon x2, 2gb ram, 160gb 5400 rpm hard disk) it actually works amazingly well given the hardware (as in, it's actually usable, boot and program startup is a bit sluggish as you'd expect from a lovely hdd but otherwise it's fine) and it doesn't have any useless extra bullshit or any dumb installer getting in the way i like~
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Nov 12, 2014 00:38
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Mr Dog posted:currently posting on a freshly installed arch w/ gnome 3.14 on some embarassing piece of garbage that we had lying around (athlon x2, 2gb ram, 160gb 5400 rpm hard disk) and its desktop linux so it also has no useful desktop software clogging up the system
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Nov 12, 2014 00:43
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it has a web browser, what more do you need?
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Nov 12, 2014 00:43
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pseudorandom name posted:it has a web browser, what more do you need? an exchange capable calendar and email solution that doesn't poo poo the bed constantly? (i'm looking at you evolution). hmm, maybe i'll send that next design out with crappy diagrams i made in dia and pasted in openoffice or maybe i won't because i'm not a shitlord. i'll just use omnigraffle or visio in a vm and word
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Nov 12, 2014 00:48
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Tankakern posted:c&p, why not go all in and use gentoo if you like aur? "Hey why don't you help me out by using this obviously-inferior setup"
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Nov 12, 2014 00:48
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shitface posted:an exchange capable calendar and email solution that doesn't poo poo the bed constantly? (i'm looking at you evolution). hmm, maybe i'll send that next design out with crappy diagrams i made in dia and pasted in openoffice evolution-exchange sync was really reliable back when it was mostly screenscraping ironically now that exchange has a fully documented 3rd party integration API, there is no way to get exchange mail/calendar working on linux
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Nov 12, 2014 00:49
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Malcolm XML posted:sry bsd mach may be a lovely microkernal (not rly, rick rashid is ownage) but l4 can actually speed up unix compared to no ipc l4 is much faster than mach, yes, but linux under l4 still has literally 100% system call overhead vs running linux alone where is l4linux ever faster than linux ? p.s. l4 is loving rad. as with mach, "running unix rly fast" is not necessarily a good design goal for a research OS
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Nov 12, 2014 00:50
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oval office AND PASTE posted:there's no real distro drama to speak of. the wiki is really good. here's a particularly good example. i reference the wiki even when i'm working with other distros. the forums are terrible, though. arch has a lot of problems but that wiki has solved a lot of frustrating laptop hardware kinks for me most notably: pulseaudio bullshit, macbook firmware bullshit, touchpad bullshit
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Nov 12, 2014 00:52
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the only issues ive had with arch recently were when i was first installing it on an EFI machine, which i blame more on the crazed chinese firmware devs not following the spec
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Nov 12, 2014 00:55
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there is precisely one good *nix workstation os. mac os x 10.10 national park edition. if you're pissing away your time trying to make anything else work its only because your time is worth nothing
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Nov 12, 2014 00:58
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shitface posted:there is precisely one good *nix workstation os. mac os x 10.10 national park edition. if you're pissing away your time trying to make anything else work its only because your time is worth nothing thank you for shitposting in the linux thread brb i have to sperg out about irrelevant gentoo problems in the osx thread, repeatedly, for several pages
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Nov 12, 2014 01:00
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:thank you for shitposting in the linux thread posting in the poo poo thing thread about a good thing > posting about a poo poo thing in the good thing thread
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Nov 12, 2014 01:02
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shitface posted:there is precisely one good *nix workstation os. mac os x 10.10 national park edition. if you're pissing away your time trying to make anything else work its only because your time is worth nothing
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Nov 12, 2014 01:02
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agree shitface
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Nov 12, 2014 01:02
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shitface posted:there is precisely one good *nix workstation os. mac os x 10.10 national park edition. if you're pissing away your time trying to make anything else work its only because your time is worth nothing extremely true, compare: Notorious b.s.d. posted:arch has a lot of problems but that wiki has solved a lot of frustrating laptop hardware kinks for me mac os x 10.10 yosemite works fine with macbook hardware, you can even buy macbook hardware that comes with it already installed and ready to go
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Nov 12, 2014 01:06
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linux on the desktop is a thing that will never happen. source: my attempt to run it and ~evangelise~ it between 1997 -> 2007, when they finally opened an apple store in my home town and i went to laugh at the macfags and left with an iMac an hour later xfree -> xorg oss -> alsa alsa -> pulse gnome 2 somewhat servicable edition -> gnome 3 kde 3 -> whatever they crapped out after that the linux desktop is in a state of constant flux which somehow sees it never quite not broken. it just doesn't werk
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Nov 12, 2014 01:07
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xfree and xorg are the same piece of software oss still exists and is used alsa still exists and is used gnome 3 didn't happen LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU kde 4 was a terrible mistake that took many years to repair. not even i can defend that one.
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Nov 12, 2014 01:09
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shitface posted:the linux desktop [...] it just doesn't werk
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Nov 12, 2014 01:10
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gnome 2 is incredibly dated
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Nov 12, 2014 01:11
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:arch has a lot of problems but that wiki has solved a lot of frustrating laptop hardware kinks for me yeah, my personal laptop has suspend/wake issues under ubuntu. works fine under arch, but i didn't even need to janitor it.
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Nov 12, 2014 01:20
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:xfree and xorg are the same piece of software basically https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pOxlazS3zs
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Nov 12, 2014 01:21
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:xfree and xorg are the same piece of software the most certainly are not. shave that greybeard off right now, you don't deserve it. xfree86 to x.org had to be the most painful fork i ever went through with desktop linux. sound not working is one thing. that one weirde video acceleration they didn't want you to know about is another. not loving starting X randomly when you're trying to get some work done is unforgivable Notorious b.s.d. posted:oss still exists and is used not directly, at least not by any distro that counts. sighs of relief all round when they got alsa to play multiple inputs to mix through alsa without loving over oss and then they "fixed"* it with pulse because... ? *where by "fixed" i mean literally hosed it over for a straight year. expecting sound to work in any predictable fashion?  "we're working on it"Silver Alicorn posted:gnome 2 is incredibly dated it is but with a shitsmear of compiz (don't even get me started on that) and a theme that doesn't suck balls (i.e. no theme ever) it could somewhat pass for something someone might voluntarily use this decade and it doesn't attempt to rejig its interface for theoretical lunix compatible touchscreen hardware and software that doesn't loving exist in any serviceable form
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Nov 12, 2014 01:23
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lmao compiz
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Nov 12, 2014 01:25
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shitface posted:doesn't attempt to rejig its interface for theoretical lunix compatible touchscreen hardware and software that doesn't loving exist in any serviceable form good point, shitface
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Nov 12, 2014 01:26
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:lmao compiz "lets blit everything extra slow from a proprietary driver that never gave a poo poo about 2d then effectively screnscrape window contents into an OpenGL context"  i agree but it least it sort of imitated affordances os x had in 2001
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Nov 12, 2014 01:30
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pram posted:agree shitface Cocoa Crispies posted:extremely true, compare: oval office AND PASTE posted:good point, shitface why do i feel like people are trying to prevent from me killing my are self
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Nov 12, 2014 01:32
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IPvSH6T posted:the only issues ive had with arch recently were when i was first installing it on an EFI machine, which i blame more on the crazed chinese firmware devs not following the spec yeah i had to do a really awful "download the ISO and then create your own USB image and then dd it down to your thumbdrive" thing just to get UEFI going but apparently it was sorted out in the next month's ISO image and Just Works now
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Nov 12, 2014 01:33
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:lmao compiz maybe you don't remember the the briefly popular fork called beryl written by a pseudo-tranny with a neckbeard who couldn't code for poo poo. that was a thing that happened and it was mainly popular because it ripped of the genie effect and had a decorator that could also do transparency. desktop loving linux
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Nov 12, 2014 01:36
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i mean lmao http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-556453-start-0.html
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Nov 12, 2014 01:40
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gnome 3 is rly good
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Nov 12, 2014 01:44
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Smythe posted:gnome 3 is rly good agree
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Nov 12, 2014 01:45
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Smythe posted:gnome 3 is rly good no, smythe. no. it is a piece of poo poo
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Nov 12, 2014 01:45
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i love using gnome 3 on my touchscreen device. haha wait, no i dont, its poo poo. and i dont have a touchscreen
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Nov 12, 2014 01:52
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Suspicious Dish posted:This but the opposite. even tho its groupon, why should the people making an actual thing have to change their name? "hey we had that name first" "who are you?" "we do linux stuff!" "so you're an OS like linux or windows?" "no... but we are a part of linux, well, some linuxes but not all of them" "what part? the kernel?" "no, the desktop part" "so your a type of x windows?" "no... but we need x windows to run" "shut up the actual thing gets the name"
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Nov 12, 2014 01:58
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shitface posted:"lets blit everything extra slow from a proprietary driver that never gave a poo poo about 2d then effectively screnscrape window contents into an OpenGL context" This never happened. AIGLX allowed for TFP to work zero-copy. And then we got DRM, which obsoleted the whole thing. NVIDIA had a DRM-alike mechanism from the start. Also, I don't know why people think blits are slow. Blits are the fastest thing you can do.
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Nov 12, 2014 02:01
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Sniep posted:even tho its groupon, why should the people making an actual thing have to change their name? Because GroupOn marketed and applied trademarks for GNOME as an operating system, which heavily conflicts with our trademark. http://investor.groupon.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=848707 "Gnome is an amazing piece of technology that plugs our merchants into the Web and helps them form relationships with every customer that walks in their front door," said Eric Lefkofsky, CEO. "When it's complete, Gnome will serve as an operating system for merchants to run their entire operation and enable them to create real-time promotions that bring customers into their business when they need them the most." That's as just as bad as GroupOn releasing their new POS product called "ChromeOS" or "Windows".
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Nov 12, 2014 02:03
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Suspicious Dish posted:Because GroupOn marketed and applied trademarks for GNOME as an operating system, which heavily conflicts with our trademark. that sounds like a dumb marketing idea from groupon since its a "turnkey solution" not a "operating system" obviously
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Nov 12, 2014 02:05
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i do all of our small biz computers on ubunto gnome except for the bookkeeper she needed winders for real excel and quickbooks
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Nov 12, 2014 02:09
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Suspicious Dish posted:AIGLX ah yes. endless loving tweaking of config to see if aiglx or xgl poo poo the bed less. i vaguely remember that bullshit. "oh, compositing works fine now but fullscreen video causes every fan within 1000 miles to kick in? heh, take that mactards "this was a long time ago and i don't fully remember the specifics of the endless loving around but this never worked properly. not that i give a poo poo, i relegated the (excellent) server os that is linux to the server and used the one that actually works efficiently and reliably on the desktop on the desktop
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Nov 12, 2014 02:11
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