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Shard
Jul 30, 2005

SunAndSpring posted:

Polygon is bad and you should never read them because their reviews are terribly uninformative and they also hired noted piece-of-poo poo Ben Kuchera.

I read Ben when he wrote for Penny Arcade and I enjoyed his work there. Can anyone explain where the "noted piece of poo poo" comes in?

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oblomov
Jun 20, 2002

Meh... #overrated

Megazver posted:

Well, it's a romance scene. You're either into it, or not. The target audience here is people who want to get turbo-plowed by a swole cow-man.

This last line has better writing then most modern bioware games. True story.

Archimago
Jun 18, 2014

I just want to nom on Merrill

Spikeguy posted:

I read Ben when he wrote for Penny Arcade and I enjoyed his work there. Can anyone explain where the "noted piece of poo poo" comes in?

The third or fourth result when you Google his name is this:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/23/How-sloppy-biased-video-games-reporting-almost-destroyed-a-CEO

May have something to do with that, but I don't know for sure.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

AngryBooch posted:

Any videos of somebody playing at a higher difficulty level and using the tactics mode effectively? I'm deciding if I should continue theory-crafting this barrier/spirit warrior tank mage to use alongside Blackwall, an ice mage, and Varric. Or if the game is just a clusterfuck at all difficulty levels and I should just play a dagger rogue because none of this matters and the combat is poo poo no matter the way you slice it.

The big problem I ran into is we're missing part of the Knight Enchanter tree, but I'm putting a build together myself for basically the same thing. It's at home, but when I get home tonight I'll post what I have thus far and why. The nice thing is that it seems like you can run the mage tank build regardless of your other party members, because it's built around self-sufficient barrier production and high single-target damage spikes.

Axelay
May 26, 2005
Grimey Drawer

Archimago posted:

The third or fourth result when you Google his name is this:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/23/How-sloppy-biased-video-games-reporting-almost-destroyed-a-CEO

May have something to do with that, but I don't know for sure.

... which is in turn written by an even bigger piece of poo poo: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/breitbarts-gamergate-defender-the-internet-is-in-no-way-specifically-hostile-to-women/

Justin_Brett
Oct 23, 2012

GAMERDOME put down LOSER
Polygon also has Arthur Gies, who doesn't like sexualization in games, but does have an account on a pornographic website.

lorekoo
Oct 27, 2007

Nothing changes the fact that Kuchera wrote a bunch of baseless bullshit that almost destroyed a man's career.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009


Cock or gtfo Milo my boy, cock or gtfo.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Magical Zero posted:

So specializations aren't linked to having certain companions? That's great if true.

They are not. They require you get something from a companion at one point but if you don't have that companion there is an alternate way to get the item, and you don't have to have used the companion at all to get access to their specialization.

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Spikeguy posted:

I read Ben when he wrote for Penny Arcade and I enjoyed his work there. Can anyone explain where the "noted piece of poo poo" comes in?

The thing about Ben Kuchera is that he is very, very contrarian and extremely prone to click-bait, Kotaku-style articles. "Noted piece of poo poo" is probably taking it too far--though if he's actually done lovely things, I'm unaware of them--but most of his opinion pieces annoy me enough that I just skip every article that has his name in the byline. He earned most of the flak he gets around here by being one of the first to jump on board the "entitled gamers" thing after people were upset about the Mass Effect 3 ending. (Interestingly, that's also the time when Forbes's Erik Kain won a lot of admiration from the same group by pointing out the actual reasons players were upset with ME3's ending and taking the players' side rather than BioWare/EA's.)

Harrow fucked around with this message at 21:32 on Nov 13, 2014

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009

Byers2142 posted:

The big problem I ran into is we're missing part of the Knight Enchanter tree, but I'm putting a build together myself for basically the same thing. It's at home, but when I get home tonight I'll post what I have thus far and why. The nice thing is that it seems like you can run the mage tank build regardless of your other party members, because it's built around self-sufficient barrier production and high single-target damage spikes.

http://fat.gfycat.com/HelpfulAcademicIndianabat.webm

You've seen this right? Look at Vivienne's loving barrier go up with each strike. She's making good use of Fade Shield.

And the complete Knight Enchanter tree is here:

http://imgur.com/a/7CBLr

That's basically what I'd like to run but as a Qunari girl with real horns.

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

Justin_Brett posted:

Polygon also has Arthur Gies, who doesn't like sexualization in games, but does have an account on a pornographic website.

Not to get too into this, but there's actually a very huge difference between a digital representation of a woman designed to titillate and an actual real life woman who chooses to titillate.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Harrow posted:

The thing about Ben Kuchera is that he is very, very contrarian and extremely prone to click-bait, Kotaku-style articles. "Noted piece of poo poo" is probably taking it too far--though if he's actually done lovely things, I'm unaware of them--but most of his opinion pieces annoy me enough that I just skip every article that has his name in the byline. He earned most of the flak he gets around here by being one of the first to jump on board the "entitled gamers" thing after people were upset about the Mass Effect 3 ending. (Interestingly, that's also the time when Forbes's Erik Kain won a lot of admiration from the same group by pointing out the actual reasons players were upset with ME3's ending and taking the players' side rather than BioWare/EA's.)

https://storify.com/stillgray/kuchera-vs-kain-sex-lies-and-videogames

Kuchera is objectively a piece of poo poo, a massive hypocrite, and has the emotional restraint of a 5 year old. And thinks Forbes is some mediocre low level "content farm" of news while Gawker is a bastion of free press and ideas.

It should be pointed out that Kain took the "is this advocating illegal activity" in his article about obscure games to the Forbes lawyers to be sure, and they cleared him of it. Kuchera still thought he knew better and continued a massive slapfight consisting of him saying "You're a joke, your followers are all bigots, and Forbes is a hack company"

pentyne fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Nov 13, 2014

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

AngryBooch posted:

http://fat.gfycat.com/HelpfulAcademicIndianabat.webm

You've seen this right? Look at Vivienne's loving barrier go up with each strike. She's making good use of Fade Shield.

Holy loving poo poo. :aaa:

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

AngryBooch posted:

http://fat.gfycat.com/HelpfulAcademicIndianabat.webm

You've seen this right? Look at Vivienne's loving barrier go up with each strike. She's making good use of Fade Shield.

And the complete Knight Enchanter tree is here:

http://imgur.com/a/7CBLr

That's basically what I'd like to run but as a Qunari girl with real horns.

Gotta admit: the Knight Enchanter alone makes me want to preorder. It's everything I want a melee-mage to be.

What other spell trees would work well with it, you think? It seems like it has great synergy with the Spirit tree, and I could bring another Mage along to handle being the big AoE blaster in that case.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

So is this game actually good? I played a little bit of DA:O but didn't get super deep into it.

Stroop There It Is
Mar 11, 2012

:gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar:
:stroop: :gaysper: :stroop:
:gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar::gengar:


Knight Enchanter looks really fun. I was planning on playing a rogue the first time around, but the mage options look so badass.

Justin_Brett posted:

Polygon also has Arthur Gies, who doesn't like sexualization in games, but does have an account on a pornographic website.
You mean people can think that media not specifically for sexual gratification should have a different amount of sexualization than media specifically for sexual gratification, while still enjoying the latter??? :monocle: MY WORD!

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

AngryBooch posted:

http://fat.gfycat.com/HelpfulAcademicIndianabat.webm

You've seen this right? Look at Vivienne's loving barrier go up with each strike. She's making good use of Fade Shield.

And the complete Knight Enchanter tree is here:

http://imgur.com/a/7CBLr

That's basically what I'd like to run but as a Qunari girl with real horns.

Thank you! I only had a partial of the Knight enchanter tree.

And yeah, that video is very much in line with what I'm leaning towards, with Mind Blast worked in as a mass detonator. Basically, I'm picking powers that work off of barriers, cooldown reductions, and Fade Step and Fade Cloak for speed and boom.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Cialis Railman posted:

So is this game actually good? I played a little bit of DA:O but didn't get super deep into it.

Pick apart the standard reviewer hype for Bioware and all impressions are that its a decent game with tons to do, like Skyrim, with an attempt to create a rich story and plot that ties the franchise together. It'll need a Day 1 patch to address a slew of technical issues, and most reviewers have said the story kind of falls apart by the third act and the plot in general isn't anything deep or meaningful, just run of the mill save the world dark fantasy stuff.

Byers2142
May 5, 2011

Imagine I said something deep here...

Harrow posted:

Gotta admit: the Knight Enchanter alone makes me want to preorder. It's everything I want a melee-mage to be.

What other spell trees would work well with it, you think? It seems like it has great synergy with the Spirit tree, and I could bring another Mage along to handle being the big AoE blaster in that case.

Like I said, I have a build I'm working on at home, but Spirit works well with the barrier powers and Ice works well with... well, let's face it, Ice for Fade Step and Frozen hijinx. But I'm picking up a few Storm and Fire powers as well (Stormbringer for one; it's a free random attack every 15 seconds with no mana cost, and if I'm playing to always be in the face of the enemy it fits well).

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009

Harrow posted:

Gotta admit: the Knight Enchanter alone makes me want to preorder. It's everything I want a melee-mage to be.

What other spell trees would work well with it, you think? It seems like it has great synergy with the Spirit tree, and I could bring another Mage along to handle being the big AoE blaster in that case.

Looks like it would pair well with a Storm or Spirit mage as they can paralyze targets and then a Knight Enchanter can combo Spirit blade on incapped enemies. Or the Knight Enchanter could be a Storm mage and make use of Stormbringer to bring down a free passive lightning bolt on a nearby enemy every 15 seconds. Anyone that stuns people would synergize well with a Knight Enchanter.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Drifter posted:

Holy loving poo poo. :aaa:

Yeah, that looks amazing and Vivienne just earned a spot on all my teams.

Cialis Railman
Apr 20, 2007

pentyne posted:

Pick apart the standard reviewer hype for Bioware and all impressions are that its a decent game with tons to do, like Skyrim, with an attempt to create a rich story and plot that ties the franchise together. It'll need a Day 1 patch to address a slew of technical issues, and most reviewers have said the story kind of falls apart by the third act and the plot in general isn't anything deep or meaningful, just run of the mill save the world dark fantasy stuff.

Well, I'm kinda down for another RPG. I guess I'll wait a bit on it.

Magical Zero
Aug 21, 2008

The colour out of space.

ImpAtom posted:

They are not. They require you get something from a companion at one point but if you don't have that companion there is an alternate way to get the item, and you don't have to have used the companion at all to get access to their specialization.
That's great news, thanks.

Megazver
Jan 13, 2006

oblomov posted:

This last line has better writing then most modern bioware games. True story.

Thanks, bro. :respek:

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Byers2142 posted:

Like I said, I have a build I'm working on at home, but Spirit works well with the barrier powers and Ice works well with... well, let's face it, Ice for Fade Step and Frozen hijinx. But I'm picking up a few Storm and Fire powers as well (Stormbringer for one; it's a free random attack every 15 seconds with no mana cost, and if I'm playing to always be in the face of the enemy it fits well).

AngryBooch posted:

Looks like it would pair well with a Storm or Spirit mage as they can paralyze targets and then a Knight Enchanter can combo Spirit blade on incapped enemies. Or the Knight Enchanter could be a Storm mage and make use of Stormbringer to bring down a free passive lightning bolt on a nearby enemy every 15 seconds. Anyone that stuns people would synergize well with a Knight Enchanter.

All of that sounds completely fantastic to me and will probably be really fun.

I wonder if the Knight Enchanter will work as a tank itself, drawing the attention of enemies and using Fade Shield and other barrier magic to stay alive, or if it's meant to be mostly damage-based with the barrier stuff as melee survivability and party support. I'll be happy either way, because it also sounds like some of the Warrior tank-like characters will be fun to bring along.

Geostomp
Oct 22, 2008

Unite: MASH!!
~They've got the bad guys on the run!~

AngryBooch posted:

http://fat.gfycat.com/HelpfulAcademicIndianabat.webm

You've seen this right? Look at Vivienne's loving barrier go up with each strike. She's making good use of Fade Shield.

And the complete Knight Enchanter tree is here:

http://imgur.com/a/7CBLr

That's basically what I'd like to run but as a Qunari girl with real horns.

So it looks like they've merged a lot of former spells/abilities into specializations now. Like Stonefist is now Rift Mage exclusive, as well as a lot of the old Force Mage tree and Knight Enchanter has a version of Mass Heal while Necromancer has Haste for some reason. Kind of a weird set of restrictions, but not too bad since every companion represents one of the trees. Certainly an improvement over the mostly gimmicky or statbased individual trees from DAII.

Knight Enchanter is still my favorite, but I like all the ones I've seen. Even the ones I thought were gimmicky nonsense seem to have their roles.

Harrow posted:

All of that sounds completely fantastic to me and will probably be really fun.

I wonder if the Knight Enchanter will work as a tank itself, drawing the attention of enemies and using Fade Shield and other barrier magic to stay alive, or if it's meant to be mostly damage-based with the barrier stuff as melee survivability and party support. I'll be happy either way, because it also sounds like some of the Warrior tank-like characters will be fun to bring along.

Probably not as good a tank as a real warrior without the armor or HP bonuses, but definitely not squishy. It will likely require some support to keep from being overwhelmed, but more than able to hold their own.

Geostomp fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Nov 13, 2014

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
Is the multiplayer going to be good? I don't have the attention span to micromanage 3 dudes so I care about the multi more

swimming anime
Jan 4, 2006

oblomov posted:

So Polygon proclaimed that this game has great and interesting writing/plot/characters. I am just not seeing it through the videos. Here is more to what I've watched so far at least:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiJYrtbTYMY

I mean this is hilariously bad and could have been written by my 14 year old nephew, but I am not certain this is intentional.


I really don't understand everyone saying this is bad. This is what (some) people sound like when they're about to go have sex. It's 100% accurate to (some people's) real life experience outside of involving fantasy races or whatever

sauer kraut
Oct 2, 2004
Tanking with the main character seems like a really bad idea, you'd get stunned/interrupted/kicked around every time you try to disrupt a rift.

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009
Also pretty cool: 11,400% weapon damage from a Tempest ability:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JvS9zkIYxk

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat
Are you saying the damage percentage stacks over onto itself? Or are you just trying to say that you can do three times the damage over the course of the attack and it happened to add up to 11k?

swimming anime posted:

I really don't understand everyone saying this is bad. This is what (some) people sound like when they're about to go have sex. It's 100% accurate to (some people's) real life experience outside of involving fantasy races or whatever

It's the dead-eyed stares and lack of laughter in the voices that make this go from amusing banter to soulless annoyance.

Sylphosaurus
Sep 6, 2007
Man, the Knight Enchanter looks like it's the Mass Effect Vanguard on steroids.

KittyEmpress
Dec 30, 2012

Jam Buddies

Drifter posted:

Are you saying the damage percentage stacks over onto itself? Or are you just trying to say that you can do three times the damage over the course of the attack and it happened to add up to 11k?

Hm, it says 300% per hit and then that it deals 38 hits, I wonder if 38 hits at 300% equals 11400%.

I wont do the math though.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Drifter posted:

It's the dead-eyed stares and lack of laughter in the voices that make this go from amusing banter to soulless annoyance.

Part of the problem, I believe, is how they do voice recording. It's usually just a guy in a booth with a microphone. For poo poo like this, you really need the actors together bouncing off each other. This is why the VA director is super critical, but I really think it would be better to let the actors act with other actors.

(I say this without having actually watched that video. I want to ride the bull a virgin so I can experience the awesomeful first hand.)

KittyEmpress posted:

Hm, it says 300% per hit and then that it deals 38 hits, I wonder if 38 hits at 300% equals 11400%.

I wont do the math though.

man checks out, though of course we're not taking armor/resistances into account. If it's 300% before armor, and armor would reduce the damage by 50% (just pulling a number out of the air), then we're probably looking at closer to 9400%.

marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Nov 13, 2014

Kingtheninja
Jul 29, 2004

"You're the best looking guy here."
Is dragon keep working for anyone else? I had to change my password because it wouldn't accept my old one, and it still won't sign me in.

Skippy McPants
Mar 19, 2009

Man, Knight Enchanter looks stupidly better than the other two Mage specs. Party wide heal/rez, decent CC and crazy tanky.

Drifter
Oct 22, 2000

Belated Bear Witness
Soiled Meat

KittyEmpress posted:

Hm, it says 300% per hit and then that it deals 38 hits, I wonder if 38 hits at 300% equals 11400%.

I wont do the math though.

If each hit does 300% then it's just 3x the original damage. Eleventy-four-hundred is what you get when you add 300 thirty-eight times over, but it wouldn't be a correct percentage of damage, would it?

Ah, it would, but only comparing the total of all 38 hits to just one unmaximized hit. WHatever. I need to busy myself somewhere else.

Drifter fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Nov 13, 2014

SelfOM
Jun 15, 2010
The 11,4000% would be in reference to 'weapon-damage', which is useful in comparison to auto-attack damage.

I'm totally going 2 tempests, 1 assassin and a rift mage for the alpha-strike. Blow all the level 3 focuses at once. Combined with mark of the assassin and static cage with its upgrade.

SelfOM fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Nov 13, 2014

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swimming anime
Jan 4, 2006

Lotish posted:

Part of the problem, I believe, is how they do voice recording. It's usually just a guy in a booth with a microphone. For poo poo like this, you really need the actors together bouncing off each other. This is why the VA director is super critical, but I really think it would be better to let the actors act with other actors.

(I say this without having actually watched that video. I want to ride the bull a virgin so I can experience the awesomeful first hand.)

I feel like while this is still dragon age and has the same problems it has always had vis-a-vis voice acting and doll faced characters (due to limitations of having an engine that can do what it does) it's still better written and imo better acted than anything bioware's done previously and better than 99% of all other video games out there. You can complain about those issues if you want but people watching that video and people like "LOL THAT LINE WAS SO RIDICULOUS AND EMBARASSING" just throw me off like... bro have you ever had sex? Have you + your partner ever said insanely embarassing poo poo that seemed really sexy at the time? That video is close enough and the combination in the writing of goofy and sexy is far more realistic than a lot of hollywood writing when it comes to scenes like that.

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