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LSV just drawing every perfect card with the ultimate "lol I still got all these" on top of it.
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I'm out of shape on standard right now, but after seeing Tom Ross do well with the linear UW heroic deck last week I decided to build it. Has anyone else built this? I'm ok for playing this style of deck but my lack of metagame knowledge is hurting me when it comes to the sideboard, can anyone give me tips on what to bring in and when? Here's the list: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdatabase/displaydeck.php?DeckID=75984 Edit: I did not realise he had written a bit about the deck last Thursday, for those interested here's what he said about sideboarding with UW heroic in that article: Tom Ross posted:The Treasure Cruises out of the sideboard have been great. Most decks aim to kill all of your creatures so the games end up going long post-sideboard. With four copies of Flooded Strand, Defiant Strike, and Ordeal of Thassa that tend to cycle, your graveyard ends up filling quickly. The Stubborn Denials are for when you're against any deck that is very creature-light and its ferocious gets online often enough to make it the countermagic of choice over cards like Negate or Disdainful Stroke. The rest of the sideboard is basically an extension of the maindeck to alter your creature choices and aura targets for Heliod's Pilgrim as appropriate. frameset fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Nov 13, 2014 14:57
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frameset posted:I'm out of shape on standard right now, but after seeing Tom Ross do well with the linear UW heroic deck last week I decided to build it. I just got thinking I don't have much of a reason not to build it since I'm looking to get Strands anyway, but it looks like all my Theros block commons were thrown away when I moved. Still might try it, but will be wishing my BW Heroic deck worked. Esper is probably a bit greedy.
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Nov 13, 2014 15:14
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frameset posted:I'm out of shape on standard right now, but after seeing Tom Ross do well with the linear UW heroic deck last week I decided to build it. http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/valuable-lessons-the-new-cawblade/ The channel fireball article above is a decent read and a slightly different list. Personally I think the Phalanx Leaders are not great and I like Tom's Eidolons better in that spot while also believing that channel fireball had a better take on lands. The sideboard seems a little janky to me. First thing, there is a typo and its Lagonna-Band Trailblazer and not elders in the 4x of. These do make sense against jeskai and sligh, although much less impressive against sligh. I have personally dropped a trailblazer for another ordeal of heliod. The wavecrash titan has also been hot garbage in the games I have played and I would have preferred to have more Aqueous Form or more bell strikes. Deck: Untitled Deck   //Lands 4 Flooded Strand 3 Island 7 Plains 4 Temple of Enlightenment 3 Tranquil Cove //Spells 1 Aqueous Form 4 Defiant Strike 2 Feat of Resistance  4 Gods Willing 1 Ordeal of Heliod 4 Ordeal of Thassa 1 Singing Bell Strike 1 Stratus Walk 1 Treasure Cruise  //Creatures 4 Battlewise Hoplite 2 Eidolon of Countless Battles 4 Favored Hoplite 4 Heliod's Pilgrim  4 Hero of Iroas 2 Seeker of the Way //Sideboard 3 Stubborn Denial 2 Ordeal of Heliod 2 Aqueous Form 2 Ajani's Presence 1 Treasure Cruise 3 Lagonna-Band Trailblazer 1 Singing Bell Strike 1 Negate  Display deck statistics
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Nov 13, 2014 15:33
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frameset posted:I'm out of shape on standard right now, but after seeing Tom Ross do well with the linear UW heroic deck last week I decided to build it. Yeah I've been running/streaming this deck a decent amount, it's the real deal and definitely one of the best decks out there right now.
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Nov 13, 2014 16:14
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So, what beats it? I haven't seen it in action, but it looks like it might be soft to sac effects.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:06
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Veyrall posted:So, what beats it? I haven't seen it in action, but it looks like it might be soft to sac effects. What sac effects? They're all gone. All we really have is targeted removal and God's Willing and Ajani's Presence take care of that. I've been playing a UW Heroic deck on MTGO for 2 months and it's quite resilient. At least my build is, I run Phalanx Leader alongside Raise the Alarm and unless you're running sweepers that gets gross fast.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:10
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BaronVonVaderham posted:What sac effects? They're all gone. Is mardu midrange not a thing anymore? Crackling doom seems good against heroic.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:13
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Is mardu midrange not a thing anymore? Crackling doom seems good against heroic. Right, ONE deck can do that still.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:17
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BaronVonVaderham posted:Right, ONE deck can do that still. I'm still waiting for Agent of the Fates to become a thing. 
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Nov 13, 2014 20:25
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AlternateNu posted:I'm still waiting for Agent of the Fates to become a thing. B/W Anti-heroes? 
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Nov 13, 2014 20:28
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Cernunnos posted:B/W Anti-heroes? I made this deck last standard as a casual deck, and it's actually a lot of fun to play. Might have to give it a try again.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:32
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BaronVonVaderham posted:Right, ONE deck can do that still. It's also the one deck that's most trendy right now, and every variant whether its aggro/midrange/walkers runs 4-of Crackling Doom. UW seems good but I'm not sure it's well positioned when half the field is Mardu with access to Crackling Doom, Deflecting Palm, and Duress effects.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:36
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Fingers McLongDong posted:I made this deck last standard as a casual deck, and it's actually a lot of fun to play. Might have to give it a try again. I played a block version at GP Manchester, lots of fun, but objectively probably not as good as UW heroic in any format. Black has the best Bestow guys, but blue gets cheap auras thats much more explosive.
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Nov 13, 2014 20:44
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Equilibrium posted:It's also the one deck that's most trendy right now, and every variant whether its aggro/midrange/walkers runs 4-of Crackling Doom. UW seems good but I'm not sure it's well positioned when half the field is Mardu with access to Crackling Doom, Deflecting Palm, and Duress effects. Right but it's quite different from any deck running black being able to run a playset of Devour Flesh in their sideboard. You need to be firmly three colored, and the second you see that in their mana on turn 1 or 2 you know to not assemble a giant fragile voltron and set yourself up for the blowout. That's very different from, say, hexproof the last twoyears, where any deck could splash for cards to answer it. There are no splashy sac effects right now, and even if this deck is popular, it's four cards (with a very restrictive mana cost) out of 75 in only a certain percentage of the field....you're still going to do pretty well I think. That said, this is why I run a different version that spreads the power around more instead of going all in on one dude. The only thing I have to worry about are sweepers, which aren't all over the place at the moment.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:25
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You resign yourself to having to use to removal spells on their dude, which is worth it if they've sunk a bunch of cards into it. Or at least force them to use the Gods Willing on your turn so you can chump block, and/or have big green dudes that are just bigger than their heros. All of this is assuming they even drew their protection spells and always have the mana up to cast them. It's nowhere near being an unbeatable deck.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:32
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Entropic posted:You resign yourself to having to use to removal spells on their dude, which is worth it if they've sunk a bunch of cards into it. Or at least force them to use the Gods Willing on your turn so you can chump block, and/or have big green dudes that are just bigger than their heros. All of this is assuming they even drew their protection spells and always have the mana up to cast them. It's nowhere near being an unbeatable deck. With the card draw and scry that this deck has betting on them not have 1 of their 6 protection spells is probably not a great plan or at least its not going to be a very consistant plan. Playing this deck I find that the biggest hits are when I tap out turns 2-4 to play creatures and they are removed immediately. That means killing them before they have invested cards into pumping it. Being greedy against this deck is a fast lane to a loss.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:49
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Sickening posted:With the card draw and scry that this deck has betting on them not have 1 of their 6 protection spells is probably not a great plan or at least its not going to be a very consistant plan. Playing this deck I find that the biggest hits are when I tap out turns 2-4 to play creatures and they are removed immediately. That means killing them before they have invested cards into pumping it. Being greedy against this deck is a fast lane to a loss. Well obviously if they tap out you take the shot. I'm just saying they're not going to be able to always have the spell and always have the mana up, and even if they do have the spell you can often force them to use it suboptimally or just two for two them by firing off another kill spell in response to the protection. It can be very hard to beat if it has an amazing starting hand, but that should be true of most well made decks.
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Nov 13, 2014 21:55
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GonSmithe posted:Welp, guess it's time to bite the bullet an build dredge on MODO. They actually added Bazaar of Baghdad to the list, so you'll have to find the second best non-Powered deck. quote:Update 11/13/2014: We are excited about player response to the Holiday Festival Vintage Championship. Our goal with the additional prizes of a Vintage Masters set to the top three players not playing Power Nine cards is to enable some players who are currently not Vintage players to join the community. After hearing player feedback about this implementation, we have decided to add Bazaar of Baghdad to this list. The additional prizes are now available to players who do not have any copies of Ancestral Recall, Bazaar of Baghdad, Black Lotus, Mox Emerald, Mox Jet, Mox Pearl, Mox Ruby, Mox Sapphire, Time Walk, or Timetwister in either their main decks or their sideboards. Best of luck to everyone as they try to qualify!
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Nov 13, 2014 22:15
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Applebees posted:They actually added Bazaar of Baghdad to the list, so you'll have to find the second best non-Powered deck. They're trying to make it so its a Legacy deck, but they're barking up the wrong tree. You can get away with running Oath or MUD with just Mox Opals and Chrome Mox, both of which are totally unrestricted in Vintage. Veyrall posted:So, what beats it? I haven't seen it in action, but it looks like it might be soft to sac effects. End Hostilities or Anger of the Gods in any amount more than a singleton. If you're playing in those colors, you are very likely to have Thoughtseize and Crackling Doom, too. I don't know that I've ever lost a match to U/W Heroic with either Mardu Control or Midrange. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Nov 13, 2014 22:24
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Mishra's Workshop isn't on the list, so I think that's the logical next deck. Although I could also see an un-powered fastbond-gush or pyromancer list doing ok.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:29
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Mince Pieface posted:Mishra's Workshop isn't on the list, so I think that's the logical next deck. Although I could also see an un-powered fastbond-gush or pyromancer list doing ok. They can't take it off the list because Shops is not a Vintage quality deck without Workshop + the Power Nine. Dredge is a bit different because Bazaar is the closest thing in Magic to a one-card combo. I am a bit skeptical that unpowered Shops is going to work. The tournament doesn't BAN Power Nine cards so you'll just lose a lot if you try and run a deck that goes too far afield. My experience is that Workshop decks are less good than Storm or Control variants in general because if they don't start with Workshop + a bunch of Trinisphere effects they tend to lose. Shops is only an overpowering deck when it can do dumb poo poo like first turn Trinisphere + Thorns/Spheres. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Nov 13, 2014 22:33
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I think the best bet would just be unpowered storm (with or without gush) with yawg's will or U/R delver with null rod if you wanted to go powerless.
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Nov 13, 2014 22:35
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Zoness posted:I think the best bet would just be ANT with yawg's will or U/R delver with null rod if you wanted to go powerless. The powerless deck of choice in my mind is probably Fish/Hatebears. Especially if you are a Legacy player since its practically the same deck in Vintage with a few extra broken goodies.
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Angry Grimace posted:The powerless deck of choice in my mind is probably Fish/Hatebears. Especially if you are a Legacy player since its practically the same deck in Vintage with a few extra broken goodies. Could you just take a legacy hatebears/d&t shell and throw in null rods and mental missteps?
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Nov 13, 2014 22:39
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Eternal Weekend's Budget Vintage challenge was no Power 9, Mishra's Workshop, Bazaar of Baghdad, Imperial Seal, and Time Vault. You should probably play one of these cards if they let you.
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Nov 13, 2014 23:43
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Its too bad about Bazaar. I would have entered with Dredge. Dredge is a deck that looks super beatable, but frequently isn't because of the frequency in which opponents are aggressively mulling for the cards they brought in to hate it out. Unhated, there isn't much the opposing player can do to win that isn't Vault-Key turn one or just going off with Tendrils on turns 1-3 (which does not happen that often) or something.Ableist Kinkshamer posted:Could you just take a legacy hatebears/d&t shell and throw in null rods and mental missteps? //lands// 4 Windswept Heath 4 Wasteland 3 Cavern of Souls 2 Horizon Canopy 2 Savannah 1 Strip Mine 1 Scrubland 1 Bayou 1 Tropical Island 1 Karakas //creatures// 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben 4 Noble Hierarch 4 Dark Confidant 3 Qasali Pridemage 3 Knight of the Reliquary 2 Aven Mindcensor 2 Gaddock Teeg 1 Kataki, War's Wage //spells// 4 Swords to Plowshares 3 Mental Misstep 2 Abrupt Decay 1 Ancestral Recall 1 Black Lotus 1 Mox Jet 1 Mox Emerald 1 Mox Pearl 1 Mox Sapphire 1 Lotus Petal Sideboard: 1 Kataki, War's Wage 1 Path to Exile 1 Ethersworn Canonist 1 Stony Silence 2 Mindbreak Trap 2 Yixlid Jailer 2 Trygon Predator 4 Grafdigger's Cage 1 Zealous Persecution Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Nov 13, 2014 |
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Nov 13, 2014 23:45
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The bigger art for the imprisoning of the Eldrazi's up. Don't think it plays to Kieryluk's strengths, really. He can be really good in a pretty narrow spectrum (often coinciding with when he's told to draw Elesh Norn) but outside it he's not great. Ugin looks pretty alright here though, to be fair. (Fully expand the timg, not just halfway.)
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Is KTK sealed the only event on mtgo you can play with phantom points at the moment? Any advice? I just scrubbed out real bad. I've had ok decks drafting the format but it seems rough sealed.
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Nov 14, 2014 01:05
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Sleep of Bronze posted:The bigger art for the imprisoning of the Eldrazi's up. Don't think it plays to Kieryluk's strengths, really. He can be really good in a pretty narrow spectrum (often coinciding with when he's told to draw Elesh Norn) but outside it he's not great. Ugin looks pretty alright here though, to be fair. I like how Ugin looks a lot, because he's got this kinda different art style from Sorin and Nahiri that emphasizes his otherness, but the eldrazi are really really bad, in my opinion.
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Nov 14, 2014 01:10
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Parts of that are really poorly computerized. Like the tentacle just to the right of stoneforge. Or the textures on the green thing that carry from one surface to another when they shouldn't.
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Sleep of Bronze posted:The bigger art for the imprisoning of the Eldrazi's up. Don't think it plays to Kieryluk's strengths, really. He can be really good in a pretty narrow spectrum (often coinciding with when he's told to draw Elesh Norn) but outside it he's not great. Ugin looks pretty alright here though, to be fair. right out of final fantasy VII
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forbidden lesbian posted:I like how Ugin looks a lot, because he's got this kinda different art style from Sorin and Nahiri that emphasizes his otherness, but the eldrazi are really really bad, in my opinion. There's been a rash of Magic art lately that looks like it got pulled from the FMV cutscenes of a late-90s computer RPG. I noticed it first with the new Skullclamp art.
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Nov 14, 2014 01:12
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Angry Grimace posted:They can't take it off the list because Shops is not a Vintage quality deck without Workshop + the Power Nine. Dredge is a bit different because Bazaar is the closest thing in Magic to a one-card combo. This is everyone's friendly reminder that Dredge can mulligan to 1 and win the game on the second turn.
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Nov 14, 2014 01:13
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Chamale posted:This is everyone's friendly reminder that Dredge can mulligan to 1 and win the game on the second turn. starting the game with one card doesn't mean much when you draw 12-60 cards by the second turn
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Nov 14, 2014 01:17
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Attorney at Funk posted:There's been a rash of Magic art lately that looks like it got pulled from the FMV cutscenes of a late-90s computer RPG. I noticed it first with the new Skullclamp art. The worst offender is the Game Day Utter End promo.
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Maybe its just me, but the Emrakul in that art doesn't look like he's 15/15. The whole thing looks like a FMV from Final Fantasy VII complete with Ugin being kind of low-poly.Chamale posted:This is everyone's friendly reminder that Dredge can mulligan to 1 and win the game on the second turn. Vintage Dredge is literally the best unhated deck in Magic.
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Nov 14, 2014 01:24
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qbert posted:The worst offender is the Game Day Utter End promo. I'd argue Metalworker looks worse in that regard, though awkwardly 3D Zurgo definitely looks weird when you consider his proportions in all the other art he's depicted in.
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Nov 14, 2014 01:30
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qbert posted:The worst offender is the Game Day Utter End promo.
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qbert posted:The worst offender is the Game Day Utter End promo. I traded mine for a Remand. I don't regret it.
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