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Fil5000 posted:He really does write some horrible stories. His contribution to 100 has always stuck with me because of how utterly mean spirited it is. Oh, jeez. It's the guy who wrote Terror Firma and The Rapture. That kind of explains things, I guess. I did like his Peri story better than the rest of what he's done, and I even almost liked the Tegan one, I just wasn't a big fan of the fact that for some reason, she has decided she's better off with a brain tumor.
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Bicyclops posted:Oh, jeez. It's the guy who wrote Terror Firma and The Rapture. That kind of explains things, I guess. I did like his Peri story better than the rest of what he's done, and I even almost liked the Tegan one, I just wasn't a big fan of the fact that for some reason, she has decided she's better off with a brain tumor. Well there IS, in Lidster's defense, a reason for that bit. At the time, Janet Fielding wasn't interested in doing Big Finish, and only agreed to come back to do one if they wrote it such that it would be an "end" to Tegan's story.
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Green Wing is overrated and not very funny. Great cast though. If you want a good show with Michelle Gomez in it, watch The Book Group. It also has the Hound from Game of Thrones.
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Bicyclops posted:Oh, jeez. It's the guy who wrote Terror Firma and The Rapture. That kind of explains things, I guess. I did like his Peri story better than the rest of what he's done, and I even almost liked the Tegan one, I just wasn't a big fan of the fact that for some reason, she has decided she's better off with a brain tumor. He also did "Master" didn't he? I thought it was actually quite enjoyable up as far as the twist in the tail.
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All this talk of audios and reviews make me wish we had some kind of thread repository for reviews from this thread. The reviews for BF audios elsewhere on the internet are particularly hideous; pretty much the only useful ones are right here. I myself probably wouldn't do any long detailed analyses, but I'd much like to do some Leonard Maltin style capsule reviews for the ones I've heard.
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Rochallor posted:All this talk of audios and reviews make me wish we had some kind of thread repository for reviews from this thread. The reviews for BF audios elsewhere on the internet are particularly hideous; pretty much the only useful ones are right here. I myself probably wouldn't do any long detailed analyses, but I'd much like to do some Leonard Maltin style capsule reviews for the ones I've heard. Oh man, I'd love to see some capsule reivews! Considering this might be the SANEST Doctor Who thread in all of time and space, I wish we could take all the different reviews – revival, classic, novel, audio – and put together some kind of webpage for them. Probably not ANOTHER thread here in TV IV, but some new Wordpress/Blogspot page. TimeAndRelativeGoonsInSpace.com
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CobiWann posted:Oh man, I'd love to see some capsule reivews! Well hadn't members of this thread pledged to start making a new Who wiki once this past season ended? Put it there.
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thexerox123 posted:Well hadn't members of this thread pledged to start making a new Who wiki once this past season ended? Put it there. I was just going to suggest that.
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Bicyclops posted:Oh, jeez. It's the guy who wrote Terror Firma Oh THAT explains one hell of a lot. I didn't think to look who wrote it but now that I have a lot of things are falling into place. loving Lidster  CobiWann posted:I just found out that Michelle “The Master” Gomez was in a show called Green Wing. I never particularly enjoyed Green Wing but please tell me you've seen Black Books now. Because if you haven't... please watch Black Books.
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Jerusalem posted:I never particularly enjoyed Green Wing but please tell me you've seen Black Books now. Because if you haven't... please watch Black Books. Never heard of it...
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CobiWann posted:Never heard of it...  Please watch Black Books (and Spaced while you're at it), you're missing out.
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 The Divergent Universe arc allegedly ended early because Big Finish was concerned about potential new listeners attracted by the revival of the television series finding themselves in the midst of the weird goings-on of the Doctor's adventures in a universe without linear time. If that was the case, then Terror Firma is a weird as hell way of marking the 8th Doctor's first return to the "regular" universe. Full of heavy references to the classic series as well as introducing two never before seen old friends of the Doctor, the retroactive continuity is tidily handled but far from new-listener friendly. The emotional weight of the reveal of what has happened to the Doctor and his companions is lacking because of the people/events it references, and the little bit about Davros' own connection to the Doctor makes no sense whatsoever considering the nature of the Divergent Universe. Verisimilitude is a hell of a thing to be talking about when referencing the adventures of an ancient body-changing alien who travels through time and space in a telephone box that is bigger on the inside, but I found it difficult to swallow these reveals. At the end of The Next Life, the Doctor was unsure if they'd been returned to their own universe or not, until he stepped through a doorway and found himself surrounded by - what else! - Daleks and a delighted Davros. It was a fantastic way to mark that the Doctor was back, but things quickly take a weird sideways turn from that point on. Charlie and C'Rizz are taken away by the Daleks while the Doctor is left to be interrogated by Davros, who seems oddly informed about the Doctor's recent activities and was apparently expecting him. It quickly becomes apparent that Davros is even more imbalanced than usual, cutting between his usual ranting and dropping into a deeper, booming voice. He alternates between insisting as he often does that he is NOT a Dalek, before booming out that he is the Emperor Dalek. Between his ranting, he almost desperately pleads with the Doctor to help him find who he is looking for, and who he is looking for is.... Davros. This is the Davros from directly after the events of Remembrance of the Daleks, last survivor of the 7th Doctor's manipulations which lead to the destruction of Skaro. So where did these Daleks come from? Like he would in Stolen Earth, Davros has recreated the Daleks, but this time from new genetic stock - human beings, this New Skaro is the planet Earth. That's not all too much of a shock, we've seen humans turned into Daleks before in spite of their hardwired belief in genetic purity, and the Daleks have invaded the planet before. The real shock is in the reveal that Davros - mentally unbalanced after yet another long stretch of isolation - has actually encountered the 8th Doctor before, and successfully wiped the Doctor's memory of the event. Yes, shockingly Paul McGann in another story involving memory loss! I'll throw the following in spoilers, but basically it involves some retroactive continuity involving the 8th Doctor's adventures in the audios: It seems that the Doctor once traveled with a brother/sister duo called Gemma and Samson, who were captured by Davros and experimented on, turned into unwilling slaves who gave Davros access to the TARDIS, allowing him to subdue and operate on the Doctor AND the TARDIS. Wiping the Doctor's memory of the event, as well as his journeys with Gemma and Samson, Davros has been able to keep track of the Doctor's adventures since that time, INCLUDING within the Divergent Universe. That latter part makes no real sense. The Divergent Universe was an entirely separate universe, a place accessible at only one point in space and "time" from the regular universe. For Davros to have been able to follow along indicates a connection between the universes, and if such a thing existed then the Divergents or Rassilon or the Doctor himself would have been able to find it and follow it back. It's another example of Big Finish not quite grasping or executing the concept of the Divergent Universe successfully, and I also can't imagine that Davros would be aware of a reality WITHOUT Time Lords in it and NOT decide that it was ripe for conquest by his Daleks. I think part of the problem is in the author - I was struggling to articulate why this story didn't work until I discovered the author was Joseph "Misery Porn" Lidster, whose work I have been less than impressed with in the past. Lidster seems to have a tendency to want to make things as miserable and hopeless as possible, while also being unable to resist playing around with the Doctor's past with "revelations" of prior events that have never been referenced before and make no sense within the context of how any of the characters have acted before or after. This was particularly bad in Master and it rears its ugly head here again, as Lidster wipes out the bulk of the population of earth as an aside and puts the surviving characters through an utterly miserable slog to the point that you'd think they'd envy the dead. In any case, Davros is slowly going insane(r) as he struggles to retain his individuality against his status as the Dalek Emperor, which is slowly pushing past his sense of self in order to be "pure", the perfect Dalek that the others can and will listen to without question. He has many balls in the air as he juggles various strategies to survive, including the creation of a clone of his original body, which leads to a rather perfect if depressing exchange between the Doctor and Davros. Doctor: Is that what you looked like? Davros: Perhaps, I no longer remember. I suppose I must have. Davros has been the mad, crippled creator of the Daleks for so long now, so many centuries of cursed half-life that he no longer remembers what he looked like, nor does he particularly care one way or the other. This rather depressing take fits Davros just fine, but the other characters also go through similar miserable experiences. Characters have to deal with the death of a daughter, suicidal tendencies and or basically being the walking dead. Charley is on the verge of a breakdown in the face of learning of the earth's fate, C'Rizz is mentally tortured, and the Doctor learns he's been played like a fool for who knows how long. It's all very unrelentingly depressing and not particularly engaging, and even when the Doctor gets proactive and turns the tables as he inevitably must it feels more like a compromised detente than an actual resolution. Even the resistance's chirpy insistence that they're going to reform and rebuild feels more like a last minute addition to alleviate the hosed up situation, with declarations of multiple other cells somehow existing in spite of the story's earlier insistence that only two existed. The former "companions" of the Doctor have almost zero impact on the story and aren't going to be around any longer, calling into question what point if any there was their existence in the first place outside of Lidster's desire to retcon. The ending also seems to forget the fact that despite the Daleks being gone (BILLIONS of them, too, the numbers are ridiculous) the planet is more than just a formerly occupied zone, it's been completely trashed and is currently almost entirely covered in a gigantic metal shield - how the hell are they going to rebuild with that thing up there? That's the big issue with this story, it wants to be a complete game-changer but then everything goes back to relatively normal by the end of it all, and ignores all those little world-building bits it put in earlier that can't just be handwaved away with,"And then the bad guys left and didn't come back." Perhaps most galling is in the way that the Doctor so casually cuts off Davros' access to the TARDIS after such a big deal being made of how subtle and cleverly hidden away it was - it happens off-screen in a moment, as if the Doctor walked into the console room and said,"Ahhh, so that's what that big flashing button that says,"DAVROS' CONNECTION TO THE TARDIS DO NOT TOUCH" is for! The one place that the story shines, bizarrely, is in the treatment of C'Rizz. A boring and extraneous character through most of the Divergent Arc, C'Rizz at first appears to be going through much the same process in this story. But as it goes on, we finally start to get a look into C'Rizz's personality, and it's not a pleasant thing. For the first time since his initial appearance, they finally manage to get across that not only is C'Rizz an alien, but that he is from another dimension - he is an "Other", something completely foreign to the "real" universe, somebody who thinks and feels and understands reality in a completely different way to everybody else. The look we get into his thought process, particularly his closing lines, are deeply unsettling, but that's good - that's something, we now have (presumably) a potential arc and storyline for C'Rizz to undertake, something for him to actually DO. There is an air of early Turlough to him, only instead of an external force acting upon him it's not all internal, which is even more dangerous. C'Rizz is dangerous not because he is evil or hostile, but because he is alien, and his contented, sleepy promise that he will "save" the Doctor and Charley if they need it is quite an eyeopener. I hope like hell they follow through on this. Terror Firma returns the 8th Doctor to the regular universe and dives right back into the show's continuity. This works for and against it, as it hammers home strongly that they are out of the Divergent Universe but also gets mired in its own references. Terry Molloy's performance as Davros is as excellent as ever and his ultimate (and obviously impermanent) fate is extremely well-handled. Unfortunately everything else is grim, grim, grim and the story takes liberty with some pointless retroactive continuity that ultimately goes nowhere - introduced, resolved and dismissed all within the space of the single story so that it has zero bearing on anything else. Charley is the also-ran in this story and Fisher does what she can with limited material. McGann is his usual competent self as the 8th Doctor, never given the material or direction to elevate anything like we know he is capable of. Conrad Westmaas finally gets at least the semblance of a character and a storyarc as C'Rizz. Not a great jumping-on point for a new fan and too convoluted for its own good, Terror Firma had the potential to be a great return for the 8th Doctor and ended up being a disappointment. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 01:21 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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Sonance posted:Do you like The IT Crowd? Same writer. If you haven't watched The IT Crowd, then please watch that too. Also Father Ted. In old news unrelated to Graham Linehan... Tom Baker admits ‘I’d blow up the BBC if I had the chance’. And then reveals he’d be up for starring in new series. On the BBC.
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Jerusalem posted:
It's kind of sad that Terror Firma is probably Joseph Lidster's best script. By which I mean it's the only one that might be made bearable with a rewrite. It's somewhat vaguely serviceable as is, but if you gave it to somebody who didn't love torture and misery to really revise the Gemma and Samson plot it might work. Almost. I banged out a couple capsule reviews of some of the stories I've listened to over the past month at work. Big Finish 79-Night Thoughts The Seventh Doctor, Ace, and Hex, seeking shelter from a storm, are taken in by a number of odd characters in an isolated manor. There are researchers, scientists, and a traumatized young girl and the rabbit she talks through. A middling script rendered somewhat more interesting, for a time, by the practical implications of time travel accidents. But then this, too, turns into a riff on an overdone story. Originally submitted for season 27 of the original run. C+. Big Finish 90-Year of the Pig The Sixth Doctor and Peri take a break from reading to meet a talking pig at the hotel they are staying at, but it turns out that somebody has it out for them, the pig, or both. Scattershot, with a beginning that doesn't go anywhere and a resolution that doesn't really work, but the middle of the story is marvelous. Maureen O'Brien (Vicki) plays the aging nurse to Toby the Sapient Pig, but sadly doesn't get to do much in the story. Good enough once you get through the beginning, and even that has the Doctor drunkenly yelling at Marcel Proust. B-. Big Finish 106-The Dark Husband The Seventh Doctor, Ace, and Hex try to take a day off and end up in the middle of an interplanetary war. Two moons are locked in a centuries-long conflict over the planet they orbit, but once every few centuries they host a joint festival. The Doctor must find a way to bring an end to hostilities. An endlessly clever script, starting out almost farcical. The writer really gets the Ace-Hex relationship; this might be their best story. The humor gives way to seriousness as the story goes on, but it never truly loses its sense of fun. Almost like a Robert Holmes script without the cynicism, in particular with the reveal of the villain. A. Big Finish 112-Kingdom of Silver & Keepsake The most bog-standard of bog-standard Cybermen stories. Basically Tomb of the Cybermen with Seven but not as good and in three parts. Fairly dull; Terry Molloy can't make much of one of his only non-Davros performances. But the epilogue of sorts, Keepsake, is fantastically interesting and sad. It's a shame that it requires listening to Kingdom of Silver to find out what's going on. If you REALLY like the Cybermen, it's worth it to get to Keepsake. D. Big Finish 121-Enemy of the Daleks The Seventh Doctor, Ace, and Hex run into the remnants of a fleet fighting against the Daleks on an isolated research outpost. There, a brilliant mad scientist has birthed some creatures dangerous enough to destroy the Daleks...but at what cost? Mediocre, but elevated by some performances and character arcs. Has everything that you would expect from a Dalek script, so make of that what you will. It ends up better than it starts out, so if you really like Dalek stories, you might want to stick with it. C. Big Finish 142-The Demons of Red Lodge and Other Stories Four short stories featuring the Fifth Doctor and Nyssa. Big Finish's short collections are almost always great and this is no exception. Only the first story is somewhat disappoint, but that is only in comparison to the other three. The second story gets some fun jokes out of music history, the third has a wealth of ideas and a funny running gag with Nyssa. The fourth is probably the best, where the Doctor is recording a DVD commentary over a movie in which he and Nyssa inadvertently featured. A-.
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Jerusalem posted:Because if you haven't... please watch Black Books. Black Books is really just an alternative version of Doctor Who, where the bookstore is the TARDIS. But instead of having adventures in time and space, they just stay in the bookstore (mostly) and drink a lot (always).  You even have a Doctor and two companions! 
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Was it RTD who wrote that Lidster was amazing and could possibly take over the show one day? Because I can't imagine anything worse really.Sydney Bottocks posted:You even have a Doctor and two companions! And as we always say - that description fits ANY configuration of the actors!
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I'm only just now getting to catch up on the season and I've just started the Mummy on the Orient Express and...what the gently caress? Did I miss something? Clara ends the previous episode, "Kill the Moon", absolutely in a seething rage over how the Doctor handled the situation and blatantly tells him to gently caress right off, get in his box, and go away. The opening of this episode has them both come out of the Tardis, Clara is dressed up with a big 'ol smile on her face, and everything is just peachy. What the hell happened? Is that entire idea of Clara calling the Doctor out (rightly or wrongly) just dropped immediately? Or is there some kind of payoff? On a side note, Capaldi is fantastic so far. edit: yeah, so a little further in and its been sort of addressed. Not sure I quite *buy* it, but its addressed. ComposerGuy fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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ComposerGuy posted:Did I miss something? I think you must have, very early in the episode Clara and the Doctor share some very uncomfortable dialogue about this being her last trip (following on from the end of the previous episode where Danny told her not to make her last words to the Doctor be angry ones). The first half of the story sees the Doctor force himself to go it alone rather than rope her into the adventure because he knows she is finishing up with him. Edit: I see you've caught up to that now, I didn't think it was at all subtle about it - they make it pretty clear that the relationship between them is very strained and is explicitly stated as being intended to be Clara's last ride with the Doctor.
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Oh yeah, no, it wasn't subtle. I just...I dunno, the explanation felt weird and sort of forced I guess? Odd, at the very least. The previous ep made me think Clara had really been traumatized by the whole thing and it just feels a little too...easy?
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Wasn't The IT Crowd a really bad American pilot with Joel McHale? It's an actual British show? Man, first a female Master and now all these new shows I have to binge!
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ComposerGuy, how'd you like the ending to Mummy?CobiWann posted:Wasn't The IT Crowd a really bad American pilot with Joel McHale? It's an actual British show? It was a British show first, I'd never heard of the American version but apparently Graham Linehan wasn't involved so I imagine it must have been pretty awful. You should watch The IT Show if only to learn about how to successfully pretend to be interested in football (soccer).
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Jerusalem posted:It was a British show first, I'd never heard of the American version but apparently Graham Linehan wasn't involved so I imagine it must have been pretty awful. Weirdly, though, Richard Ayoade still played Moss! It was a pretty bad pilot, but not as bad as the US pilot for Spaced. (shudder) Although, apparently they're trying to do a US remake of the IT Crowd again for some reason, but this time with more involvement from Graham Linehan. But yeah, CobiWann, you should definitely watch both Black Books and The IT Crowd.
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Jerusalem posted:ComposerGuy, how'd you like the ending to Mummy? Actually on the whole I liked the episode in its entirety (minus some of the niggling Clara stuff I said earlier). I think this episode has finally solidified Capaldi's doctor to me and just who he is and how he operates. 12 is a dick not because he doesn't care, but because he doesn't have time for your meaningless bullshit while he's trying to loving save the thing (by which I mean everything). The closest parallel I can think of is oddly enough a character played by another British gent that I've always thought would be a great Doctor: Hugh Laurie as Greg House. In the pilot of House, he asks a patient: "Which would you rather have, a doctor who held your hand while you died, or a doctor who ignored you while you got better?". That's 12, basically. He cares, but talking to you about it is, in his mind, a waste of precious time. Because 12, more than I think any other doctor that came before him (at least in the revival), is more willing to admit that he doesn't know jack poo poo about a lot of things. He doesn't pretend he has an answer when he doesn't. It frustrates him not to know, but he realizes that because he doesn't know, he needs data, and he needs it as fast as possible. All other considerations (empathy, etc.) are secondary or tertiary to that because he simply isn't sure if he's going to be able to save the day. He has no loving idea, and he's not above letting you know that. 12 is no more an idiot than the other Doctors have been, he's just honest about it. Most of the past doctors like 9, 10 and even 11 would hide behind facades of cocksure arrogance on many occasions even when it was quite clear they were sort of making it up as they went. 12 drops the act because it's a useless act to him. The only thing that matters is finding the answer. Capaldi loving rules is what I'm saying here. He's the most alien doctor because he's been the most willing to drop all pretense and focus on what needs to be done. I say this having only gone up through the Orient Express, of course, so hey, all that could change!
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That's a great read, and I think the moment in this episode where Clara is accusing him of being heartless and suddenly he just completely takes control of the scene and proves that yes he does care, and yes he is about to loving do something about it by putting himself in harm's way is a perfect demonstration of that. The way the music kicks in and he talks his way through to the resolution of what the Mummy is and what it wants is just glorious (and also proves he was correct when he claimed he could solve things in a minute if he was in the same position as the other victims). It was rough through the first half of the season because the Doctor is still defining who he actually is and there needs to be that concern/confusion over whether he has become/revealed himself to be heartless until finally the moment hits where you go,"Oh poo poo yes this IS the Doctor and it loving rules." I think the end of Deep Breath where Clara makes the intellectual choice to accept the Doctor is pretty great, because she has been somewhat emotionally manipulated by the 11th Doctor and made the conscious decision to accept him, but she spends the next half season questioning what kind of a man he really is until finally deciding enough is enough and she CAN'T accept him... and then he proves to her beyond any shadow of a doubt in Mummy that he is the Doctor, and she emotionally accepts it as well.
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ComposerGuy posted:Oh yeah, no, it wasn't subtle. I just...I dunno, the explanation felt weird and sort of forced I guess? Odd, at the very least. The previous ep made me think Clara had really been traumatized by the whole thing and it just feels a little too...easy? Yeah, I agree. One of the few things I really don't like about the Mummy episode is that the ending to Kill the Moon makes it seems like their relationship is too damaged to be where they are at the beginning of their mummy adventure, let alone reach the resolution they do at the end.
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Bicyclops posted:Yeah, I agree. One of the few things I really don't like about the Mummy episode is that the ending to Kill the Moon makes it seems like their relationship is too damaged to be where they are at the beginning of their mummy adventure, let alone reach the resolution they do at the end. Yup. They actually sold that scene (Clara telling off the Doctor) too well in a sense, because it really does make you think there's no loving way they can ever work together again.
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ComposerGuy posted:Yup. They actually sold that scene (Clara telling off the Doctor) too well in a sense, because it really does make you think there's no loving way they can ever work together again. Mmm. Honestly, they needed an episode in between just to repair the relationship to the point where they can go "let's have one last hurrah on the Orient Express to say goodbye"; something on Earth where she has no choice but to call him to save lives.
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Solaris Knight posted:IN other audio related news, my ex's favorite Doctor's making a comeback! This sounds like an interesting experiment at least, don't know how well the narration style will work though since I haven't really listened to any audios in that style.
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Bicyclops posted:Yeah, I agree. One of the few things I really don't like about the Mummy episode is that the ending to Kill the Moon makes it seems like their relationship is too damaged to be where they are at the beginning of their mummy adventure, let alone reach the resolution they do at the end. It really says something when the biggest problem with an episode is the fault of a different episode.
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Honestly I thought they covered it perfectly fine. Clara is furious at the Doctor and storms out and goes straight to Danny to vent, and he tells her that she can't be finished with the Doctor if she cuts off contact while angry because then she'll regret it down the line - she needs to cool down and tell him she's done when she isn't feeling like stabbing him to death or bursting into tears or both. Next episode we see her and the Doctor emerge onto the Space Orient Express where the two have a polite but strained conversation about this being their last trip together, a final goodbye so they can part on better terms. The whole point was this was (supposed to be) the epilogue to their adventures together, that Clara was taking Danny's advice, letting a cooler head prevail and taking one last trip with the Doctor so they could part amicably. Having another episode where she remains furious with him but eventually cools down enough to accept the notion of one more trip in the NEXT episode would have been redundant, because that has already been covered at the end of Kill the Moon.
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Jerusalem posted:Honestly I thought they covered it perfectly fine. Clara is furious at the Doctor and storms out and goes straight to Danny to vent, and he tells her that she can't be finished with the Doctor if she cuts off contact while angry because then she'll regret it down the line - she needs to cool down and tell him she's done when she isn't feeling like stabbing him to death or bursting into tears or both. Next episode we see her and the Doctor emerge onto the Space Orient Express where the two have a polite but strained conversation about this being their last trip together, a final goodbye so they can part on better terms. This. Plus spending too much time where everyone moons about and talks about their feelings just isn't fun. Except for the Superwholockians.
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Jerusalem posted:This sounds like an interesting experiment at least, don't know how well the narration style will work though since I haven't really listened to any audios in that style. I'm looking forward to it. I've heard the two First Doctor stories they've done in this range and they were both very enjoyable. The style works well, sort of a compromise between an audiobook and a full cast.
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Watching the extras on the DVD of The Deadly Assassin with the worst nerd complaining about them not being proper Time Lords only being eclipsed by that idiot Whitehouse babbling about other peoples stupidity because she wanted to tell them how do their jobs. A good chunk of David Maloney in it too, which is nice. There is a lot that is applicable in it; I liked the comment made I think by Tom Baker, that it's also really reminiscent of the Vatican and that kind of politics. I don't know so much about a "satire on the american political system", I suspect they were soaking up general Western cultural assumptions that applied equally across the Atlantic. ewe2 fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Nov 14, 2014 |
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There's at least one reference in "The Deadly Assassin" (the departing Lord President's list of "resignation favours" or something to that effect) which I believe was intended as a direct reference to Harold Wilson.
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Nov 14, 2014 15:11
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I am genuinely excited at the idea of someone getting to watch smiths run for the first time.
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Nov 14, 2014 15:20
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Jerusalem posted:Honestly I thought they covered it perfectly fine. Clara is furious at the Doctor and storms out and goes straight to Danny to vent, and he tells her that she can't be finished with the Doctor if she cuts off contact while angry because then she'll regret it down the line - she needs to cool down and tell him she's done when she isn't feeling like stabbing him to death or bursting into tears or both. Next episode we see her and the Doctor emerge onto the Space Orient Express where the two have a polite but strained conversation about this being their last trip together, a final goodbye so they can part on better terms. I don't know. I've had people yell at me like Clara did and in my experience, it really, really doesn't work that way. People do not get the cool-headed moment for clarification and closure, because the very sight of the person recalls the harsh words. I think Composer Guy is right; the issue was that they sold that moment at the end of Kill the Moon too well and with too much realism for the normal kind of TV "resolving an intense argument with a bit of unspoken awkwardness and a few lines" that would have otherwise worked.
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Nov 14, 2014 15:56
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Hey, I have a decent idea for a cyberman story. Tell me if it has any legs. So the Doctor lands in a star system made up of dying planets. Cybermen have been converting the people on each planet one by one. Most planets resist at first, but it's becoming apparent that they'll be converted. By the time it comes to whatever planet The Doctor ends up on, the residents are considering on non-resistance and embracing conversion. They're doomed either way, so they decide that survival might be better than extinction. I can't decide which Doctor would be best suited for it, but I'm leaning on Eight.
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Nov 14, 2014 16:04
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